Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I found an article saying K2 is good for people with liver disease, to prevent bone loss. My doctor agreed. However, she says it's rather ineffective taken orally. K2 needs to be given by injection. She says that she's given only in a hospital setting, to stop bleeding. So -- my information about using Vitamin K2 for osteoporosis isn't useful for most people with AIH. Harper ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Oh, dear. Has your doctor ever suggested K2 injections? Harper In a message dated 7/4/07 7:40:45 PM, tdcc2000@... writes: > > Harper, for me, since I have acquired Factor V deficiency, I have to take VK > orally each day. > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Are you speaking of FFP or K2 in relationship to bone loss? For K2, try googling terms like K2 or " vitamin K " and liver and osteoporosis or " bone loss " . I came up with quite a bit. My doctor agreed that K2 is good for osteoporosis in people with liver disease -- just that administering it presents problems. Harper In a message dated 7/4/07 7:40:45 PM, tdcc2000@... writes: > > Harper, for me, since I have acquired Factor V deficiency, I have to take VK > orally each day. It does help with the clotting process...however, if the > bleeding times go up, I have to go and have FFP (fresh frozen plasma) to help > with the clotting...not at all that I like taking it, but sometimes ya gotta > do what ya gotta do! Have not heard it is good for bone loss though > Debby > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Harper, for me, since I have acquired Factor V deficiency, I have to take VK orally each day. It does help with the clotting process...however, if the bleeding times go up, I have to go and have FFP (fresh frozen plasma) to help with the clotting...not at all that I like taking it, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do! Have not heard it is good for bone loss though Debby flatcat9@... wrote: I found an article saying K2 is good for people with liver disease, to prevent bone loss. My doctor agreed. However, she says it's rather ineffective taken orally. K2 needs to be given by injection. She says that she's given only in a hospital setting, to stop bleeding. So -- my information about using Vitamin K2 for osteoporosis isn't useful for most people with AIH. Harper ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Harper, when they first discovered the problem, I did take injections for 3 or 5 days....then the levels came back into line. The oral K seems to be helping just fine. At the moment, I am taking -get ready- blood thinning injections to prevent blood clots from the knee replacement. Interestingly, however, my levels are beautiful! Go figure! I take stuff to thicken the blood, but take thinning injections to prevent clots! Medicine! I never can understand it! Sometimes, I really think Eastern Medicine has it right and Western medicine has it all wrong! LOL Debby flatcat9@... wrote: Oh, dear. Has your doctor ever suggested K2 injections? Harper In a message dated 7/4/07 7:40:45 PM, tdcc2000@... writes: > > Harper, for me, since I have acquired Factor V deficiency, I have to take VK > orally each day. > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Hmmmm....actually, neither is for bone loss. It is simply to keep me from bleeding out. The FFP is generally used when I have surgery. This time I lucked out and only had to have 6 units...my back surgery earned me 14 units! Heck...everytime I looked up, I had another little bad flowing down! But if it helps, that is good! Debby flatcat9@... wrote: Are you speaking of FFP or K2 in relationship to bone loss? For K2, try googling terms like K2 or " vitamin K " and liver and osteoporosis or " bone loss " . I came up with quite a bit. My doctor agreed that K2 is good for osteoporosis in people with liver disease -- just that administering it presents problems. Harper In a message dated 7/4/07 7:40:45 PM, tdcc2000@... writes: > > Harper, for me, since I have acquired Factor V deficiency, I have to take VK > orally each day. It does help with the clotting process...however, if the > bleeding times go up, I have to go and have FFP (fresh frozen plasma) to help > with the clotting...not at all that I like taking it, but sometimes ya gotta > do what ya gotta do! Have not heard it is good for bone loss though > Debby > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi ,  Just FYI - I took a health class with a well known and respected Naturopath/Nutritionist last year and he told us that K2 was no better than K1 except it was much more expensive. I didn't know that any of the K vitamins had anything to do with colon health - we learned about them as one of the 5 things your body needs to avoid osteoporosis. From: cathyc2468 <jc-canales@...> Subject: [ ] Vitamin K2 Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:39 AM Should I be supplementing Vitamin K2? I've been reading that K2 is normally produced by bacteria in the intestines. My stool test showed I have no beneficial bacteria growth. I take probiotics & I eat some spinach/kale/ broccoli/ brussel sprouts, but only about 1 cup a day at the most. That can't be enough to supply K2. I mostly focus on eating meat & good fats. Dr. Mercola has a Vitamin K2 supplement that he recommends: http://www.mercola. com/forms/ vitamin_k2. htm However, if it's not necessary to take the supplement, I don't want to buy it. I'm going broke trying to purchase all of the supplements that my family & I need. Also, does unpasteurized sauerkraut provide lots of beneficial bacteria to help the intestines produce K2? Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 How did he explain the difference between the two? Thanks, Irene At 08:13 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote: >Hi , > >Just FYI - I took a health class with a well known and respected >Naturopath/Nutritionist last year and he told us that K2 was no better >than K1 except it was much more expensive. I didn't know that any of the >K vitamins had anything to do with colon health - we learned about them as >one of the 5 things your body needs to avoid osteoporosis. > > > >From: cathyc2468 <<mailto:jc-canales%40att.net>jc-canales@...> >Subject: [ ] Vitamin K2 ><mailto: %40> >Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:39 AM > >Should I be supplementing Vitamin K2? > >I've been reading that K2 is normally produced by bacteria in the >intestines. My stool test showed I have no beneficial bacteria >growth. I take probiotics & I eat some >spinach/kale/ broccoli/ brussel sprouts, but only about 1 cup a day at >the most. That can't be enough to supply K2. I mostly focus on >eating meat & good fats. > >Dr. Mercola has a Vitamin K2 supplement that he recommends: ><http://www.mercola.>http://www.mercola. com/forms/ vitamin_k2. htm > >However, if it's not necessary to take the supplement, I don't want >to buy it. I'm going broke trying to purchase all of the >supplements that my family & I need. > >Also, does unpasteurized sauerkraut provide lots of beneficial >bacteria to help the intestines produce K2? > >Thank you, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 > > Should I be supplementing Vitamin K2? > > I've been reading that K2 is normally produced by bacteria in the > intestines. My stool test showed I have no beneficial bacteria > growth. I take probiotics & I eat some > spinach/kale/broccoli/brussel sprouts, but only about 1 cup a day at > the most. That can't be enough to supply K2. I mostly focus on > eating meat & good fats. > > Dr. Mercola has a Vitamin K2 supplement that he recommends: > http://www.mercola.com/forms/vitamin_k2.htm > > However, if it's not necessary to take the supplement, I don't want > to buy it. I'm going broke trying to purchase all of the > supplements that my family & I need. > > Also, does unpasteurized sauerkraut provide lots of beneficial > bacteria to help the intestines produce K2? +++Hi . No you do not need to supplement with vitamin K2 or K1. You only need to take the supplements I recommend. It is obvious this program works as it is, without any other supplements, because of so many people's success. I don't know if sauerkraut provides K2, but K2 and K1 are found in many foods. The best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 > > How did he explain the difference between the two? +++Hi Irene. Here's an article about K2, which may explain how it is different than K1: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-k2.html Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 > > > > Should I be supplementing Vitamin K2? > > > +++Hi . No you do not need to supplement with vitamin K2 or > K1. You only need to take the supplements I recommend. It is > obvious this program works as it is, without any other supplements, > because of so many people's success. > > I don't know if sauerkraut provides K2, but K2 and K1 are found in > many foods. Hi, Bee. Thanks for the Weston A Price link explaining K2. Now I know why you say that X-Factor Butter is worth its weight in gold. From what my little brain understood of this article is that the X-Factor is K2. I have some left in my fridge. I will definitely start using it again and feeding it to my family. After reading about K2, it seems to be extremely important (would probably help with my kidney stones, decalcified teeth, help cardiovascular health, etc.), and supplementing would be a good idea if we are not getting enough from X-Factor Butter or fermented foods. The article does say that " the best sources of vitamin K are fermented foods and grass-fed animal fats. " I'm assuming that could mean unpasteurized sauerkraut and X-Factor Butter. I just don't know how much unpasteurized sauerkraut or X-Factor Butter I would have to consume to receive enough K2. Do you have any idea? Thanks so much, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 > Hi, Bee. > > Thanks for the Weston A Price link explaining K2. > > Now I know why you say that X-Factor Butter is worth its weight in > gold. From what my little brain understood of this article is that > the X-Factor is K2. I have some left in my fridge. I will > definitely start using it again and feeding it to my family. > > After reading about K2, it seems to be extremely important (would > probably help with my kidney stones, decalcified teeth, help > cardiovascular health, etc.), and supplementing would be a good > idea if we are not getting enough from X-Factor Butter or fermented > foods. The article does say that " the best sources of vitamin K are > fermented foods and grass-fed animal fats. " I'm assuming that could > mean unpasteurized sauerkraut and X-Factor Butter. +++, there are many things included on this program that help kidney stones, decalcified teeth, cardiovascular health, etc. - see the many Success Stories on my website. Two members on this program reported their teeth re-formed new enamel on this program. Kidney stones is caused by an imbalance and/or lack of proper minerals (all are included on this program so your body can rebalance them properly). Of course high " good " fats along with oil soluble vitamins, protein, minerals all increase cardiovascular health. Your own body makes K vitamins if your digestion is okay too. I don't believe concentrating on K2 is going to help, since this program already gets results without it. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I've got a weird question for y'all. I've heard that Vitamin K2 (unlike K1 from leafy greens) is made mostly by bacteria in our guts. The question is, are there any bacteria used in fermenting that are among those capable of producing good amounts of K2? Anyone know? Lidia _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 hi,bare in mind that vitamin k should be looked for mainly by vegetarians because omnivores tend to have it ok. yeast (even dry yeast) has loads. fermented stuff as well and so do sprouts. best regardsa The truth indeed has never been preached by the Buddha, seeing that one has to realize it within oneself. Lamkara Sutra From: Lidia Seebeck <lidia@...> Subject: Vitamin K2 nutrition Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:44 AM  I've got a weird question for y'all. I've heard that Vitamin K2 (unlike K1 from leafy greens) is made mostly by bacteria in our guts. The question is, are there any bacteria used in fermenting that are among those capable of producing good amounts of K2? Anyone know? Lidia _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Lidia I seem to remember something about this. When I find out more I will post it in response to your question. Ellis Vitamin K2 I've got a weird question for y'all. I've heard that Vitamin K2 (unlike K1 from leafy greens) is made mostly by bacteria in our guts. The question is, are there any bacteria used in fermenting that are among those capable of producing good amounts of K2? Anyone know? Lidia _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 > I've heard that Vitamin K2 (unlike K1 from leafy greens) is made mostly by > bacteria in our guts. > > The question is, are there any bacteria used in fermenting that are among > those capable of producing good amounts of K2? Anyone know? > > Lidia > > Hi Lidia, The answer is yes, but it's a lot more complicated! There are two main types of K2: MK-4 and MK-7. The best (only?) sources of MK-4 are livers, eggs and animal fat. MK-7 is a fermentation byproduct in natto and some cheeses. Since livers and eggs are also the best food sources of vitamin A and vitamin D, and those vitamins synergize with vitamin K2, they are the ideal foods to eat, as attested by traditional cultures for thousands of years. In recent years, supplements based on natto extract have become a popular source of K2. Here's a very important and informative article on this topic written by Masterjohn: http://www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/175-x-factor-is-vitamin-k2.html Also, see this more recent brief article: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/Cure-for-Cancer-Activator-X-May-Be-the-Missing\ -Link-1799.html -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Moneta <angelamoneta@...>wrote: > > > hi,bare in mind that vitamin k should be looked for mainly by vegetarians > because omnivores tend to have it ok. yeast (even dry yeast) has loads. > fermented stuff as well and so do sprouts. > best regardsa > > Vitamin K1 and vitamin K2 are separate nutrients. There is no vitamin K2 in yeast or sprouts. Only a few fermented foods (e.g. natto, some cheese) have vitamin K2. -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Another source of Vitamin K2, MK-7 variety, is kefir. It's so easy to make at home, and I'd guess not as daunting for most people to drink/eat as natto. Nance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Here is an article on K2 that Dr. Mercola just sent out http://products.mercola.com/vitamin-k/ Sheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:08 AM, C <nan4cl@...> wrote: > Another source of Vitamin K2, MK-7 variety, is kefir. It's so easy to make > at home, and I'd guess not as daunting for most people to drink/eat as > natto. > > > I tried searching for a while to find information about how much K2 might be in kefir, but I couldn't find anything other than some " internet telephone game " stuff. Do you have any info to share on this? I'm surprised it wasn't including in Masterjohn's chart, since it's such a popular topic/food. There seems to be quite a wide range of K2 in the various fermented milk foods. -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Okay that really helps. I noticed he did make a passing mention to kimchi as well as to fermented dairy (he mentions cheese, he does not mention kefir specifically) Thanks!! Lidia _____ From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Putz Family Farm Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:30 AM nutrition Subject: Re:Vitamin K2 Here is an article on K2 that Dr. Mercola just sent out http://products.mercola.com/vitamin-k/ Sheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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