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Sorry Elyse, that wasn't me. Dilution of enzymes is not an issue.

What might be an issue is that sauerkraut has negative properties

that are worse for you than raw cabbage. Still, low doses of uncooked

naturally fermented sauerkraut are good too, so ya makes your

choice ;)

Duncan

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> Duncan,

>

> You mentioned in another post that sauerkraut dilutes stomach

enzymes.

> Do you think then it's a bad thing to have it. I thought it helped

> to have it, but this sounds like it's worse to have it.

>

> (I tried asking this before, but that's when my e-mail was bouncing

so

> it probably didn't get through). Thanks,

>

> Elyse

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Bill,

I know it's bad for me! I love cabbage but I get an instant reaction

from it in form of severe itching in my ear. Raw broccoli does the

same for me. No trouble with raw, fermented or cooked though.

Sharon

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> DUNCAN,

>

> So RAW CABBAGE is bad for you? Just wondering here. Thanks.

>

> Bill

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Yes, it can be very confusing. I've read a ton of books about it and

there's just so much conflicting information. I personally love raw

food and that's most of my diet but then I did a lot of work to get to

the point where my system can handle it. If a person has candida, you

definitely need to take some enzymes with it and bacteria until you

are balanced (or inulin to help bacteria grow). If you're interested

in raw food, a really good overview is by Schenk:

http://www.bookpublishing.com/ip/includes/target_media/tm_schneck.pdf

I think our bodies were meant to eat only raw food but they are just

so out of whack with all the junk food and other pollutants that

people have a strong reaction to them at the start. Best to just

change one meal or snack at a time rather than do a sudden

switchover. Many who do raw food eat far too much fruit, dried or

fresh and either end up with candida or make it worse. A raw food

diet doesn't equal a healthy diet. It's all in the foods you eat.

Most also overdo fats like nuts. You need to consume a lot of food

too. Fit for Life is an old but useful technique for eating whether

you're vegetarian or not and some of the recipes are good for

transitioning. Of course the only fruit for breakfast needs to wait

until the candida is back to normal.

Sharon

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> Thanks Sharon. So confused about raw foods.

>

> Bill

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Yes, raw cabbage has negative components that can be neutralized by

steaming.

Duncan

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> DUNCAN,

>

> So RAW CABBAGE is bad for you? Just wondering here. Thanks.

>

> Bill

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On 3/30/07, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Sorry Elyse, that wasn't me. Dilution of enzymes is not an issue.

> What might be an issue is that sauerkraut has negative properties

> that are worse for you than raw cabbage. Still, low doses of uncooked

> naturally fermented sauerkraut are good too, so ya makes your

> choice ;)

Since I think I am responsible for this information I'd like to make a

clarification: I have found two studies, one showing that sauerkraut

fermentation eliminates the goitrogens and one that showed it

completely activated them. Second, the goitrogens are

anti-carcinogenic and are in fact the same things that everyone is

cheerleading about being anti-carcinogenic in cruciferous vegetables,

so you have to kind of take your pick whether you want to eat them for

that benefit or avoid them because they decrease iodine uptake into

the mammary or thyroid. My opinion is that it is probably best to eat

them in moderation but that an excess is no good. I would use

stricter moderation when breast feeding or if you have an established

thyroid problem and if you eat them daily I'd make sure you're getting

at least the RDA of iodine plus a safety measure of 50% or so.

Chris

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On 30 Mar 2007 10:03:11 -0700, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Yes, raw cabbage has negative components that can be neutralized by

> steaming.

Cooking destroys the enzyme that activates the goitrogens but they can

be activated by intestinal flora. The overall effect is that cooking

reduces the bioavailability of goitrogens (anti-cancer, anti-thyroid)

to 30% of the original value on average.

Chris

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Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

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> Can I add ginger root and fresh parsley to sauerkraut after it is

> fermented and keep in the refrigerator?

> How long will sauerkraut keep in the refrigerator?

> Thank you, Ellen " -)

==>Why not make kimchi instead and use ginger root and parsley in it

instead? I wouldn't add them fresh after the sauerkraut is fermented.

Sauerkraut without added stuff would last for months in the fridge.

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> > Can I add ginger root and fresh parsley to sauerkraut after it is

> > fermented and keep in the refrigerator?

> > How long will sauerkraut keep in the refrigerator?

> > Thank you, Ellen " -)

>

> ==>Why not make kimchi instead and use ginger root and parsley in it

> instead? I wouldn't add them fresh after the sauerkraut is

fermented.

> Sauerkraut without added stuff would last for months in the fridge.

>

> Bee

>

Bee,

Thanks so much for your answer. I will add them fresh for each serving

as I eat my sauerkraut. Also will look into making kimchi. Thanks so

much for your time.

Gratefully, Ellen " -)

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> Hi all,

>

> To confess, I have not been doing this part of the program. I went

> out and bought the kimchee and sauerkraut - but I hate them.

> especially cold. I know we aren't supposed to cook it so sometimes I

> can put the food on top to warm it which makes it better. But there

> are only some dishes I can fathom eating this with.

==>, I think commercial kimchee tastes bad, but I make it myself

and it is delicious. It tastes more like a salsa, without the tomatoes.

==>You can heat sauerkraut, but just don't cook it or overheat it.

Then you can have it with butter - yum! Again, I think homemade

sauerkraut tastes better.

>

> So if I'm taking the HCL (actually I take Beta Pepsin which seems to

> be much more potent than some other HCL I have been on) is that enough

> of a digestive aid?

==>Yes that's okay and it is enough without eating sauerkraut or

kimchee. It actually is betaine hydrochloric acid.

The best, Bee

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I've made lots of kraut. If the liquid was covering the cabbage, I can

just about guarantee it's not bad. If it wasn't, then throw it out and

try again. :)

Doug

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> Doug have you made Sauerkraut before?   If so, is it normal to have

something white in the bottom of the jar? Not sure what it is ....

wondering if it might be gone bad?

> thanks 

> Maddy

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Thanks Doug ..... yes, the cabbage was covered with liquid but there is this

white cloudy stuff right at the bottom of the jar. This is my first time to make

this and don't want to eat something that is not good.

Maddy  

[ ] Re: Sauerkraut

I've made lots of kraut. If the liquid was covering the cabbage, I can

just about guarantee it's not bad. If it wasn't, then throw it out and

try again. :)

Doug

>

> Doug have you made Sauerkraut before?   If so, is it normal to have

something white in the bottom of the jar? Not sure what it is ....

wondering if it might be gone bad?

> thanks 

> Maddy

>

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Hi Maddy,

I've only made saurkraut once and it had some cloudy white stuff in

the bottom. I ate it and had no problem - didn't get sick from it.

I just assumed that the cloudy stuff was residue from the probiotic.

Maybe someone else can clarify what it is for sure.

Hope that helps,

>

> Thanks Doug ..... yes, the cabbage was covered with liquid but

there is this white cloudy stuff right at the bottom of the jar. This

is my first time to make this and don't want to eat something that is

not good.

> Maddy  

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Maddy:

Does it smell good? Does it taste good? Then it's fine. If you know the

really really bad stink that comes from rotten cabbage, then you would

know if it was bad. The white stuff means that you have an active

probiotic culture growing...those are the bodies of the organisms

collecting in the bottom. Sometimes when I do lactofermented pickles,

they get little white spots all over them, and they are still very good

and totally edible.

Enjoy,

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nowski

Hawthorne, Florida

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Hi

The Sauerkraut smells good and taste good as well so I think it's OK. It's a

little tart but otherwise good. I had it fermenting for 2 weeks then today put

it in jars in the refrigerator.

thanks   .....   you have been most helpful

Maddy

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Maddy:

Does it smell good? Does it taste good? Then it's fine. If you know the

really really bad stink that comes from rotten cabbage, then you would

know if it was bad. The white stuff means that you have an active

probiotic culture growing...those are the bodies of the organisms

collecting in the bottom. Sometimes when I do lactofermented pickles,

they get little white spots all over them, and they are still very good

and totally edible.

Enjoy,

---

nowski

Hawthorne, Florida

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Maddy said:

> The Sauerkraut smells good and taste good as well so I think it's OK.

> It's a little tart but otherwise good. I had it fermenting for 2 weeks

> then today put it in jars in the refrigerator.

Maddy: That's perfect...sounds like you have a good batch of kraut

there! I've been making lacto=fermented veggies and kraut off and on for

several years, and I was about to say that I've never had a batch go

bad. And then TODAY, of all days, I go to the frig and my batch of

cabbage rejuv has terrible black mold all over it and it really stinks.

So it can happen. But I would say it is extremely rare and you will

immediately know it when it is bad.

One hint for those new to fermentation: The SALT is the key. It is salt

that guides the fermentation. The lacto-beasties can thrive in a salty

environment, while most other " bad " bacteria and yeast can't live in

salt water. That being said, the salt levels in some of the recipes are

awfully high. But you do need to use SOME salt in every ferment. Come to

think of it, I've been so foggy lately, I might have forgotten the salt

in this batch that went bad. Go figure!

By the way, for you folks up north, daikon radish makes an EXCELLENT

ferment! Just keep that idea for later when you are able to eat radishes

(since they are a root and not on Bee's diet). You can cut them up in

long spears similar to dill pickle spears, put seeds and spices in the

bottom of a quart jar, pack the radish spears tightly in the jar, pour

over the brine, and they ferment like crazy. Very yummy and good for

digestion when you get back to a more " normal " diet and want a good

probiotic source.

Fermented,

---

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Hawthorne, Florida

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Hi ,

Sorry, but radishes are included on my diet. Not all root vegetables

are excluded. Re-check my Candida Diet List on my website.

The best, Bee

>

>

> By the way, for you folks up north, daikon radish makes an EXCELLENT

> ferment! Just keep that idea for later when you are able to eat

radishes (since they are a root and not on Bee's diet). You can cut

them up in long spears similar to dill pickle spears, put seeds and

spices in the bottom of a quart jar, pack the radish spears tightly

in the jar, pour over the brine, and they ferment like crazy. Very

yummy and good for digestion when you get back to a more " normal "

diet and want a good probiotic source.

>

> Fermented,

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> Hello,

>

> Does anybody know where to get unpasteurized organic sauerkraut in

the

> UK?

Hi Petra. You'll get a better respond from other members if you

include UK in your subject line. Write the subject like this: Help to

find sauerkraut in the UK.

Also you posted this message twice.

The best, Bee

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Thanks Bee, reposted the message.

 

Best

Petra

From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Sauerkraut

Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 3:15 PM

>

> Hello,

>

> Does anybody know where to get unpasteurized organic sauerkraut in

the

> UK?

Hi Petra. You'll get a better respond from other members if you

include UK in your subject line. Write the subject like this: Help to

find sauerkraut in the UK.

Also you posted this message twice.

The best, Bee

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Your sauerkraut will last almost indefinately in the fridge if you don't put it

in a spot where it will freeze.  You will know if it gets " killed " if it turns

back to blue purple from the pretty red.

Pat B

From: alex_tunbridge <alex.tunbridge@...>

Subject: [ ] Sauerkraut

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 7:51 PM

Hi All,

I have some sauerkraut in the fridge which I made a few weeks ago

using red cabbage. DO you think it will still be ok despiote the fact

that it has been in the fridge for a few weeks or should I just start

a new batch?

Regards,

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properly cultured veggies should last at least 8 months in cold storage-

awesome, eh?

-Sara

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Subject: [ ] Sauerkraut

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 4:51 PM

Hi All,

I have some sauerkraut in the fridge which I made a few weeks ago

using red cabbage. DO you think it will still be ok despiote the fact

that it has been in the fridge for a few weeks or should I just start

a new batch?

Regards,

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> Hi All,

>

> I have some sauerkraut in the fridge which I made a few weeks ago

> using red cabbage. DO you think it will still be ok despiote the fact

> that it has been in the fridge for a few weeks or should I just start

> a new batch?

+++It will be fine .

Bee

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> Hi,

> I read on Bee's site that sauerkraut is good and there is a recipe,

but does it have to be

> home-made? I have Eden Organic Sauerkraut that came in a jar

(indredients: Organically

> grown cabbage, water, sea salt).

>

> Just wanted to check first and make sure it is okay to eat this.

+++Hi Donna G. You do not have to make sauerkraut. There are good

ones available.

I'm not familar with that particular sauerkraut, but it may be okay.

Ensure it has " unpasteurized " on the label, and that the jar is from

the fridge at the health store.

Bee

>

> Thanks for your help.

> donna g.

>

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***There is a sauerkraut recipe on Bee's site. Also other fermented foods

recipes. You might

want to check out the recipe section for other ideas as well. There are some

recipes that are

not specifically for Candida people, so make sure the ingredients are all

allowed for Candida

before you try it.

Best,

Marissa

I really like

> sauerkraut, I have Nurishing Traditions cookbook and know there is a

> recipe in there, has anyone tried making their own?

> Thanks

> Vida

>

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