Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 I have been increasing my fermented foods consumption, and although it relieves stomach troubles, I wonder if I could overdo it. Below is a short article talking about the effects of pickling. They say that pickled foods can be hazardous, but I wonder how much of a factor salt plays in it? ---------------------- Do pickles give you stomach cancer? In: Cancer [Edit categories] Avon Walk Chicago Join the Avon Walk Chicago. 2010 Registration is Now Open! AvonFoundation.org/AvonWalkChicago [improve] Since I eat a lot of pickled things. I was also interested in this. While the answers aren't so clear cut, there does seem to be a correlations according to studies. whether it is the high salt content of the pickles or compounds (such as nitrites or nitrates) produced in the pickling process isn't clear. Stomach cancer is the leading cause of deaths in Koreans who eat fermented foods on a daily basis. " Most people believe that kimchi is healthy, as kimchi contains lots of vitamins and anti-oxidants. However, as early as 1985, Kim JP has noticed the correlation between red pepper/high salt diet and gastric carcinogenesis (i.e. stomach cancer) in their animal study " [Co-carcinogenic effects of several Korean food on gastric cancer induced by N-methyl-N'-nitrosoguanidine in rats. Jpn J Surg. 1985 Nov;15(6):427-37] pickled foods have been shown to decrease the protective mucous lining of the stomach. " The ingestion of 30 ounces of fukujinzuke (assorted vegetables pickled in soy sauce) or of vinegared gherkins over a three-day period caused marked changes in the surface epithelium and gastric pits in all three subjects. The abnormalities consisted of loss of cellular mucus, nuclear enlargement, prominent nuclear chromatin and an increased number of mitotic figures. " Histological Effect of Certain Pickles on the Human Gastric Mucos A Preliminary Report W. C. Mac, F. H. , and S. Hashimoto This only makes sense to me though. Chromosomes have at its ends a long sequence of repetitive dna. These break off with every cell division. After these break off your real DNA starts to get jumbled leading to increased mutations. Salt cures foods, and is considered a cooking process. So ceviches, are actually " cooked " High salt diets, and pickling juice itself in essence " pickles " your stomach. While the stomach has some defences against this. a high daily intake of salt(and I'd imagine pure sugar) increases the rate of stomach cell death and renewal, fraying telomeres, and rate of mutation. No reason to get freaked out though. Unless you eat pickles on a daily basis...in which case you can perhaps mitigate the the effects by undersalting the rest of the meal. So that the concentration of salt and nitrates/nitrites isn't so high. Here are some links to studies http:/www.zhion.com/kimchi_cancer.html http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1923030 http:/www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/s/stomachcancer.htm Stomach Cancer Treatment Comprehensive Personalized Cancer Immunotherapy. Call: 1-888-447-7357 www.Issels.com Cancer Clinical Trials Search Over 4000 Clinical Trials Educate Yourself About Trials Today cancertrialshelp.org/cancer-trials First answer by ID1280996925. Last edit by ID1280996925. Question popularity: 1 [recommend question]. Can you answer these cancer questions? •Certain foods can reduce the risk of cancer by what? •What does a fractured rib indicate 2 months after breast cancer? •What age and gender groups are most likely to develop pancreatic cancer? •What are the new therapis for cancer? Research your answer: Search Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Health > Conditions and Diseases > Cancer > Do pickles give you stomach cancer? Our contributors said this page should be displayed for the questions below. (Where do these come from) If any of these are not a genuine rephrasing of the question, please help out and edit these alternates. Do pickles cause cancer? What are the reactions of stomach cancer? ..Site International Sites English Deutsch Español Français Italiano Tagalog Answers Corporation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 There are many questions one must ask concerning this research. Are they talking about vegetables grown with chemical fertilizers? Are they talking about natural, lactic acid fermented pickles? Are they using a whole, unrefined salt? The Kimche they talk about, is it made in the traditional way? I am sure there are other questions to be asked about this that have not hit me at the moment. One can prove many things by statistics. A friend of mine, a statistics professor, has often related the statistical correlation between incidence of crime in a neighborhood and the amount of icecream sold in that neighborhood. Both are a product of summer, but neither has anything to do with the other. My experience is that lacto-fermented vegetables (using vegetables that are grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides etc. have only been beneficial. I have eaten them daily for a number of years now. and am enjoying a greater degree of health than at anytime in my " youth " . Ellis Hein Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I have been increasing my fermented foods consumption, and although it relieves stomach troubles, I wonder if I could overdo it. Below is a short article talking about the effects of pickling. They say that pickled foods can be hazardous, but I wonder how much of a factor salt plays in it? ---------------------- Do pickles give you stomach cancer? In: Cancer [Edit categories] Avon Walk Chicago Join the Avon Walk Chicago. 2010 Registration is Now Open! AvonFoundation.org/AvonWalkChicago [improve] Since I eat a lot of pickled things. I was also interested in this. While the answers aren't so clear cut, there does seem to be a correlations according to studies. whether it is the high salt content of the pickles or compounds (such as nitrites or nitrates) produced in the pickling process isn't clear. Stomach cancer is the leading cause of deaths in Koreans who eat fermented foods on a daily basis. " Most people believe that kimchi is healthy, as kimchi contains lots of vitamins and anti-oxidants. However, as early as 1985, Kim JP has noticed the correlation between red pepper/high salt diet and gastric carcinogenesis (i.e. stomach cancer) in their animal study " [Co-carcinogenic effects of several Korean food on gastric cancer induced by N-methyl-N'-nitrosoguanidine in rats. Jpn J Surg. 1985 Nov;15(6):427-37] pickled foods have been shown to decrease the protective mucous lining of the stomach. " The ingestion of 30 ounces of fukujinzuke (assorted vegetables pickled in soy sauce) or of vinegared gherkins over a three-day period caused marked changes in the surface epithelium and gastric pits in all three subjects. The abnormalities consisted of loss of cellular mucus, nuclear enlargement, prominent nuclear chromatin and an increased number of mitotic figures. " Histological Effect of Certain Pickles on the Human Gastric Mucos A Preliminary Report W. C. Mac, F. H. , and S. Hashimoto This only makes sense to me though. Chromosomes have at its ends a long sequence of repetitive dna. These break off with every cell division. After these break off your real DNA starts to get jumbled leading to increased mutations. Salt cures foods, and is considered a cooking process. So ceviches, are actually " cooked " High salt diets, and pickling juice itself in essence " pickles " your stomach. While the stomach has some defences against this. a high daily intake of salt(and I'd imagine pure sugar) increases the rate of stomach cell death and renewal, fraying telomeres, and rate of mutation. No reason to get freaked out though. Unless you eat pickles on a daily basis...in which case you can perhaps mitigate the the effects by undersalting the rest of the meal. So that the concentration of salt and nitrates/nitrites isn't so high. Here are some links to studies http:/www.zhion.com/kimchi_cancer.html http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1923030 http:/www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/s/stomachcancer.htm Stomach Cancer Treatment Comprehensive Personalized Cancer Immunotherapy. Call: 1-888-447-7357 www.Issels.com Cancer Clinical Trials Search Over 4000 Clinical Trials Educate Yourself About Trials Today cancertrialshelp.org/cancer-trials First answer by ID1280996925. Last edit by ID1280996925. Question popularity: 1 [recommend question]. Can you answer these cancer questions? .Certain foods can reduce the risk of cancer by what? .What does a fractured rib indicate 2 months after breast cancer? .What age and gender groups are most likely to develop pancreatic cancer? .What are the new therapis for cancer? Research your answer: Search Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Health > Conditions and Diseases > Cancer > Do pickles give you stomach cancer? 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I suspect that they are referring to commercial available pickled products found in regular food stores. NOT raw lacto-fermented products. If your concern is the salt content, you can easily half the amount of salt with no problem. I usually do 1/3 - 1/2 the recommended amounts of salt, as I find most ferments to be too salty, sometimes way to salty. Many folks use too much salt out of fear of bacteria. Tonio From: Ellis Hein Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:50 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? There are many questions one must ask concerning this research. Are they talking about vegetables grown with chemical fertilizers? Are they talking about natural, lactic acid fermented pickles? Are they using a whole, unrefined salt? The Kimche they talk about, is it made in the traditional way? I am sure there are other questions to be asked about this that have not hit me at the moment. One can prove many things by statistics. A friend of mine, a statistics professor, has often related the statistical correlation between incidence of crime in a neighborhood and the amount of icecream sold in that neighborhood. Both are a product of summer, but neither has anything to do with the other. My experience is that lacto-fermented vegetables (using vegetables that are grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides etc. have only been beneficial. I have eaten them daily for a number of years now. and am enjoying a greater degree of health than at anytime in my " youth " . Ellis Hein Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I have been increasing my fermented foods consumption, and although it relieves stomach troubles, I wonder if I could overdo it. Below is a short article talking about the effects of pickling. They say that pickled foods can be hazardous, but I wonder how much of a factor salt plays in it? ---------------------- Do pickles give you stomach cancer? In: Cancer [Edit categories] Avon Walk Chicago Join the Avon Walk Chicago. 2010 Registration is Now Open! AvonFoundation.org/AvonWalkChicago [improve] Since I eat a lot of pickled things. I was also interested in this. While the answers aren't so clear cut, there does seem to be a correlations according to studies. whether it is the high salt content of the pickles or compounds (such as nitrites or nitrates) produced in the pickling process isn't clear. Stomach cancer is the leading cause of deaths in Koreans who eat fermented foods on a daily basis. " Most people believe that kimchi is healthy, as kimchi contains lots of vitamins and anti-oxidants. However, as early as 1985, Kim JP has noticed the correlation between red pepper/high salt diet and gastric carcinogenesis (i.e. stomach cancer) in their animal study " [Co-carcinogenic effects of several Korean food on gastric cancer induced by N-methyl-N'-nitrosoguanidine in rats. Jpn J Surg. 1985 Nov;15(6):427-37] pickled foods have been shown to decrease the protective mucous lining of the stomach. " The ingestion of 30 ounces of fukujinzuke (assorted vegetables pickled in soy sauce) or of vinegared gherkins over a three-day period caused marked changes in the surface epithelium and gastric pits in all three subjects. The abnormalities consisted of loss of cellular mucus, nuclear enlargement, prominent nuclear chromatin and an increased number of mitotic figures. " Histological Effect of Certain Pickles on the Human Gastric Mucos A Preliminary Report W. C. Mac, F. H. , and S. Hashimoto This only makes sense to me though. Chromosomes have at its ends a long sequence of repetitive dna. These break off with every cell division. After these break off your real DNA starts to get jumbled leading to increased mutations. Salt cures foods, and is considered a cooking process. So ceviches, are actually " cooked " High salt diets, and pickling juice itself in essence " pickles " your stomach. While the stomach has some defences against this. a high daily intake of salt(and I'd imagine pure sugar) increases the rate of stomach cell death and renewal, fraying telomeres, and rate of mutation. No reason to get freaked out though. Unless you eat pickles on a daily basis...in which case you can perhaps mitigate the the effects by undersalting the rest of the meal. So that the concentration of salt and nitrates/nitrites isn't so high. Here are some links to studies http:/www.zhion.com/kimchi_cancer.html http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1923030 http:/www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/s/stomachcancer.htm Stomach Cancer Treatment Comprehensive Personalized Cancer Immunotherapy. Call: 1-888-447-7357 www.Issels.com Cancer Clinical Trials Search Over 4000 Clinical Trials Educate Yourself About Trials Today cancertrialshelp.org/cancer-trials First answer by ID1280996925. Last edit by ID1280996925. Question popularity: 1 [recommend question]. Can you answer these cancer questions? ..Certain foods can reduce the risk of cancer by what? ..What does a fractured rib indicate 2 months after breast cancer? ..What age and gender groups are most likely to develop pancreatic cancer? ..What are the new therapis for cancer? Research your answer: Search Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Health > Conditions and Diseases > Cancer > Do pickles give you stomach cancer? 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Tonio, What ratio of salt do you use in sauerkraut? I agree with you that it's way too salty with most recipes. I do salt free kraut with culture starter sometimes as well. millie From: Tonio Epstein Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:37 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I suspect that they are referring to commercial available pickled products found in regular food stores. NOT raw lacto-fermented products. If your concern is the salt content, you can easily half the amount of salt with no problem. I usually do 1/3 - 1/2 the recommended amounts of salt, as I find most ferments to be too salty, sometimes way to salty. Many folks use too much salt out of fear of bacteria. Tonio From: Ellis Hein Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:50 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? There are many questions one must ask concerning this research. Are they talking about vegetables grown with chemical fertilizers? Are they talking about natural, lactic acid fermented pickles? Are they using a whole, unrefined salt? The Kimche they talk about, is it made in the traditional way? I am sure there are other questions to be asked about this that have not hit me at the moment. One can prove many things by statistics. A friend of mine, a statistics professor, has often related the statistical correlation between incidence of crime in a neighborhood and the amount of icecream sold in that neighborhood. Both are a product of summer, but neither has anything to do with the other. My experience is that lacto-fermented vegetables (using vegetables that are grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides etc. have only been beneficial. I have eaten them daily for a number of years now. and am enjoying a greater degree of health than at anytime in my " youth " . Ellis Hein Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I have been increasing my fermented foods consumption, and although it relieves stomach troubles, I wonder if I could overdo it. Below is a short article talking about the effects of pickling. They say that pickled foods can be hazardous, but I wonder how much of a factor salt plays in it? ---------------------- Do pickles give you stomach cancer? In: Cancer [Edit categories] Avon Walk Chicago Join the Avon Walk Chicago. 2010 Registration is Now Open! AvonFoundation.org/AvonWalkChicago [improve] Since I eat a lot of pickled things. I was also interested in this. While the answers aren't so clear cut, there does seem to be a correlations according to studies. whether it is the high salt content of the pickles or compounds (such as nitrites or nitrates) produced in the pickling process isn't clear. Stomach cancer is the leading cause of deaths in Koreans who eat fermented foods on a daily basis. " Most people believe that kimchi is healthy, as kimchi contains lots of vitamins and anti-oxidants. However, as early as 1985, Kim JP has noticed the correlation between red pepper/high salt diet and gastric carcinogenesis (i.e. stomach cancer) in their animal study " [Co-carcinogenic effects of several Korean food on gastric cancer induced by N-methyl-N'-nitrosoguanidine in rats. Jpn J Surg. 1985 Nov;15(6):427-37] pickled foods have been shown to decrease the protective mucous lining of the stomach. " The ingestion of 30 ounces of fukujinzuke (assorted vegetables pickled in soy sauce) or of vinegared gherkins over a three-day period caused marked changes in the surface epithelium and gastric pits in all three subjects. The abnormalities consisted of loss of cellular mucus, nuclear enlargement, prominent nuclear chromatin and an increased number of mitotic figures. " Histological Effect of Certain Pickles on the Human Gastric Mucos A Preliminary Report W. C. Mac, F. H. , and S. Hashimoto This only makes sense to me though. Chromosomes have at its ends a long sequence of repetitive dna. These break off with every cell division. After these break off your real DNA starts to get jumbled leading to increased mutations. Salt cures foods, and is considered a cooking process. So ceviches, are actually " cooked " High salt diets, and pickling juice itself in essence " pickles " your stomach. While the stomach has some defences against this. a high daily intake of salt(and I'd imagine pure sugar) increases the rate of stomach cell death and renewal, fraying telomeres, and rate of mutation. No reason to get freaked out though. Unless you eat pickles on a daily basis...in which case you can perhaps mitigate the the effects by undersalting the rest of the meal. So that the concentration of salt and nitrates/nitrites isn't so high. Here are some links to studies http:/www.zhion.com/kimchi_cancer.html http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1923030 http:/www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/s/stomachcancer.htm Stomach Cancer Treatment Comprehensive Personalized Cancer Immunotherapy. Call: 1-888-447-7357 www.Issels.com Cancer Clinical Trials Search Over 4000 Clinical Trials Educate Yourself About Trials Today cancertrialshelp.org/cancer-trials First answer by ID1280996925. Last edit by ID1280996925. Question popularity: 1 [recommend question]. Can you answer these cancer questions? ..Certain foods can reduce the risk of cancer by what? ..What does a fractured rib indicate 2 months after breast cancer? ..What age and gender groups are most likely to develop pancreatic cancer? ..What are the new therapis for cancer? Research your answer: Search Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Health > Conditions and Diseases > Cancer > Do pickles give you stomach cancer? 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I do about 1T per gallon. That's based on the finished pounded mass. That would also be equivalent to 1T per 8 lbs of vegies after the discards. I use fine ground Redmond's Real Salt (it's the cheapest of the good quality salts) I do it for taste, not to avoid salt. Though in the process I use very little salt in my food, usually in the form of unpasterized miso tamari, which is what drains from the production of miso. Tonio From: moozy Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:28 PM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? Tonio, What ratio of salt do you use in sauerkraut? I agree with you that it's way too salty with most recipes. I do salt free kraut with culture starter sometimes as well. millie From: Tonio Epstein Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:37 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I suspect that they are referring to commercial available pickled products found in regular food stores. NOT raw lacto-fermented products. If your concern is the salt content, you can easily half the amount of salt with no problem. I usually do 1/3 - 1/2 the recommended amounts of salt, as I find most ferments to be too salty, sometimes way to salty. Many folks use too much salt out of fear of bacteria. Tonio From: Ellis Hein Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:50 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? There are many questions one must ask concerning this research. Are they talking about vegetables grown with chemical fertilizers? Are they talking about natural, lactic acid fermented pickles? Are they using a whole, unrefined salt? The Kimche they talk about, is it made in the traditional way? I am sure there are other questions to be asked about this that have not hit me at the moment. One can prove many things by statistics. A friend of mine, a statistics professor, has often related the statistical correlation between incidence of crime in a neighborhood and the amount of icecream sold in that neighborhood. Both are a product of summer, but neither has anything to do with the other. My experience is that lacto-fermented vegetables (using vegetables that are grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides etc. have only been beneficial. I have eaten them daily for a number of years now. and am enjoying a greater degree of health than at anytime in my " youth " . Ellis Hein Can u pickle your stomach from too overeating them? I have been increasing my fermented foods consumption, and although it relieves stomach troubles, I wonder if I could overdo it. Below is a short article talking about the effects of pickling. They say that pickled foods can be hazardous, but I wonder how much of a factor salt plays in it? ---------------------- Do pickles give you stomach cancer? In: Cancer [Edit categories] Avon Walk Chicago Join the Avon Walk Chicago. 2010 Registration is Now Open! AvonFoundation.org/AvonWalkChicago [improve] Since I eat a lot of pickled things. I was also interested in this. While the answers aren't so clear cut, there does seem to be a correlations according to studies. whether it is the high salt content of the pickles or compounds (such as nitrites or nitrates) produced in the pickling process isn't clear. Stomach cancer is the leading cause of deaths in Koreans who eat fermented foods on a daily basis. " Most people believe that kimchi is healthy, as kimchi contains lots of vitamins and anti-oxidants. However, as early as 1985, Kim JP has noticed the correlation between red pepper/high salt diet and gastric carcinogenesis (i.e. stomach cancer) in their animal study " [Co-carcinogenic effects of several Korean food on gastric cancer induced by N-methyl-N'-nitrosoguanidine in rats. Jpn J Surg. 1985 Nov;15(6):427-37] pickled foods have been shown to decrease the protective mucous lining of the stomach. " The ingestion of 30 ounces of fukujinzuke (assorted vegetables pickled in soy sauce) or of vinegared gherkins over a three-day period caused marked changes in the surface epithelium and gastric pits in all three subjects. The abnormalities consisted of loss of cellular mucus, nuclear enlargement, prominent nuclear chromatin and an increased number of mitotic figures. " Histological Effect of Certain Pickles on the Human Gastric Mucos A Preliminary Report W. C. Mac, F. H. , and S. Hashimoto This only makes sense to me though. Chromosomes have at its ends a long sequence of repetitive dna. These break off with every cell division. After these break off your real DNA starts to get jumbled leading to increased mutations. Salt cures foods, and is considered a cooking process. So ceviches, are actually " cooked " High salt diets, and pickling juice itself in essence " pickles " your stomach. While the stomach has some defences against this. a high daily intake of salt(and I'd imagine pure sugar) increases the rate of stomach cell death and renewal, fraying telomeres, and rate of mutation. No reason to get freaked out though. Unless you eat pickles on a daily basis...in which case you can perhaps mitigate the the effects by undersalting the rest of the meal. So that the concentration of salt and nitrates/nitrites isn't so high. Here are some links to studies http:/www.zhion.com/kimchi_cancer.html http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1923030 http:/www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/s/stomachcancer.htm Stomach Cancer Treatment Comprehensive Personalized Cancer Immunotherapy. Call: 1-888-447-7357 www.Issels.com Cancer Clinical Trials Search Over 4000 Clinical Trials Educate Yourself About Trials Today cancertrialshelp.org/cancer-trials First answer by ID1280996925. Last edit by ID1280996925. Question popularity: 1 [recommend question]. Can you answer these cancer questions? ..Certain foods can reduce the risk of cancer by what? ..What does a fractured rib indicate 2 months after breast cancer? ..What age and gender groups are most likely to develop pancreatic cancer? ..What are the new therapis for cancer? Research your answer: Search Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Health > Conditions and Diseases > Cancer > Do pickles give you stomach cancer? Our contributors said this page should be displayed for the questions below. (Where do these come from) If any of these are not a genuine rephrasing of the question, please help out and edit these alternates. Do pickles cause cancer? 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