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I buy most of my supplements from stores advertizing on the internet.

I'd look for a brand of undenatured whey with NO sugar or artifical

sweeteners. I would not be too concerned about which brand had more

protein or was the most fortified. I do not need to replace any

meals with a liquid whey drink, and I already supplement with vitamins

and minerals.

Alobar

On 12/31/06, Sally <sally.hoffman@...> wrote:

> Just been to health food shop to look at whey.

>

> Could not find any cold pressed. All but one had some form of

> artificial sweetner. The choice was mind boggling. Different amounts

> of protein too. Protein meal replacement seemed more expensive than

> whey for muscle building but had less protein. Some had extra stuff in

> vitamin complex etc. I ended up buying zilch.

> What protein content should i be looking for if i'm not that active.

> I was told i should have more protein to boost metabolism and still

> don't know what quantities i need to take.

> How easy or difficult is it to make your own whey?

>

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Don't gauge undenatured whey by protein weight, Sally, but by the

criteria I posted on my website.

That being said a good cold-processed sugar-free additive free

whey concentrate will be almost 90% protein.

Since you're told you need more protein you should take it for

breakfast and a bedtime snack, with no carbs, at a dose of about

36-40 grams. This will help maintain your HGH levels and

metabolic rate so you can build lean tissue and organs.

If you go on SomaLife gHP you'll have to take your whey protein

at least an hour before or 45 minutes after the SomaLife gHP.

Duncan

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If that is true,i would like to know why. The extra calories for

sure,but it could be other things also.

In the research Im doing not all whey are the same.

Many have heaps of sugar,some almost 70% and over.

Then there is the lactose as well and some are allergic to that and its

the allergy to that that makes some put on weight. So if it has lactose

and high sugar,up goes the weight.

Ive got onto 2 companies that have cold processed whey with little

sugar and 1% lactose. Getting a price soon,but the point is,depending

on whats in the whey is going to effect weight gain.

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what site do you order this whey from? thanx

--- k8teeth <stonesigns@...> wrote:

> If that is true,i would like to know why. The extra calories for

> sure,but it could be other things also.

> In the research Im doing not all whey are the same.

> Many have heaps of sugar,some almost 70% and over.

> Then there is the lactose as well and some are allergic to that and its

> the allergy to that that makes some put on weight. So if it has lactose

> and high sugar,up goes the weight.

> Ive got onto 2 companies that have cold processed whey with little

> sugar and 1% lactose. Getting a price soon,but the point is,depending

> on whats in the whey is going to effect weight gain.

>

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what brand? and where?

--- k8teeth <stonesigns@...> wrote:

> Jovelle,What I meant was whey's natural sugars...NOT added. Whey that

> has its natural sugars left in is very high in this sugar. You can get

> it without that in.

>

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The minimum that can be left from my research is 10%. If they havnt

got any sugars on the contents,then I would doubt their honesty. Sugars

can be counted as carbs.Whey liquid is put through ceramic filters to

take out sugars and lactose. Without these filters,whey has a lot of

sugar.

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Hi, I seem to know very little about whey....I had used a drink that had low

calorie and sugar and 15 grams of protein...it was a clear fruit flavored

drink..NOT milky or chaulky....I've tried some protein drinks since, but

they all seem to be this milk chaulky kind of stuff which I seem to have a

hard time with.

Does anyone know, again sorry I know so little about this, if whey is

available to be used in a more clear fruit type of drink??? If I mixed, it

comes in a powder, in fruit juice would it just thicken some, but not be

milky???

Any help on this would be appreciated, since I see so many of you talking

about whey on here. Thanks.

SeaLady

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, I think we should clarify that whey with 10% sugar might

be true for some unfiltered whey but anything filtered can be

much lower; the whey I'm using now has 1-g carb in a 36-g scoop,

or less than 2.8%, the Now Whey Isolate on my whey page is under

3.6% and the MRM is a bit over 7% sugar; I don't know about the

Jarrow, the Source Naturals is 10%, probably unfiltered, and

Immunocal isolate, which was my first whey product, is said to be

carb-free.

I agree they should show sugars on the label; think it's the law

in Canada; at any rate the whey I'm currently using declares 1

gram carbs and 0 grams sugar, while my MRM metabolic whey, an

American product, shows 0 gram carb 1 gram sugars. Sorry, I

don't know how much sugar the Jarrow whey contains, can anyone

fill us in on the label?

Duncan

On 14 Jan 2007 at 8:41, Coconut Oil

wrote:

>

> Posted by: " k8teeth " stonesigns@... k8teeth

> Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:51 pm ((PST))

>

> The minimum that can be left from my research is 10%. If they havnt

> got any sugars on the contents,then I would doubt their honesty.

> Sugars can be counted as carbs.Whey liquid is put through ceramic

> filters to take out sugars and lactose. Without these filters,whey has

> a lot of sugar.

>

>

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Hi Duncan,

Per the suggestions at your website I purchased Jarrow Formulas Whey.

The Supplemental facts list the total carbs as being 1 Gram - Sugars 1

Gram; I would interpret this as being total carbs in the form of 1

Gram of sugar. This is based upon 1 Scoop serving equaling 23 grams.

I could only get the unflavored......which as it turns out is

delicious in milk by making it more creamier in taste and texture. The

unflavored probably helps cut back on the sugar content as well.

Jarrow has no artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors listed as

ingredients.

>

> >

> > Posted by: " k8teeth " stonesigns@... k8teeth

> > Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:51 pm ((PST))

> >

> > The minimum that can be left from my research is 10%. If they havnt

> > got any sugars on the contents,then I would doubt their honesty.

> > Sugars can be counted as carbs.Whey liquid is put through ceramic

> > filters to take out sugars and lactose. Without these filters,whey has

> > a lot of sugar.

> >

> >

> >

>

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I did a google Nytrowhey has sucralose, so not for me.

http://www.prosource.net/nytrowhey-extreme-vanilla/6477-1/2242/

Alobar

On 1/14/07, Jovelle Baker <tojovelle@...> wrote:

>

>

> k8teeth <stonesigns@...> wrote: " Jovelle,Id like to know the

brand of whey you use,I'll look into it as

> finding a whey that has no sugar is very rare. "

>

> I use NytroWhey Extreme however, I'm not concerned as to why it has no sugar.

I know that it has no blood sugar impact and that is the most important factor

in my using it. If it has minute amounts, it still has no negative impact for

me.

>

>

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Actually a request to Duncan or anyone else.

Can you give me a link to the manufacturer of this Jarrow Whey. I want to

contact them and find out if they have a customer/distributor here in Hong Kong.

Thanks in advance for any info.

]Cheers, Doug

Re: Whey

Hi Duncan,

Per the suggestions at your website I purchased Jarrow Formulas Whey.

The Supplemental facts list the total carbs as being 1 Gram - Sugars 1

Gram; I would interpret this as being total carbs in the form of 1

Gram of sugar. This is based upon 1 Scoop serving equaling 23 grams.

I could only get the unflavored......which as it turns out is

delicious in milk by making it more creamier in taste and texture. The

unflavored probably helps cut back on the sugar content as well.

Jarrow has no artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors listed as

ingredients.

>

> >

> > Posted by: " k8teeth " stonesigns@... k8teeth

> > Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:51 pm ((PST))

> >

> > The minimum that can be left from my research is 10%. If they havnt

> > got any sugars on the contents,then I would doubt their honesty.

> > Sugars can be counted as carbs.Whey liquid is put through ceramic

> > filters to take out sugars and lactose. Without these filters,whey has

> > a lot of sugar.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Again...can someone explain this more....what Whey tastes like...can it be

mixed in fruit juice or does anyone know of a product that contains whey

that is a more clear and fruity drink???

SeaLady

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>

It is in a powdered form that you can mix with water or milk. I make

a smoothie out of it. Fruit, coconut milk, and whey, delicious. I

get the vanilla flavour. If you mix it with milk it is just like a

milkshake.

> Again...can someone explain this more....what Whey tastes

like...can it be

> mixed in fruit juice or does anyone know of a product that contains

whey

> that is a more clear and fruity drink???

>

> SeaLady

>

>

>

>

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Here is their contact page from their website.

http://www.jarrow.com/contact_us.php

Alobar

On 1/15/07, Murray <doublaswalter@...> wrote:

> Actually a request to Duncan or anyone else.

> Can you give me a link to the manufacturer of this Jarrow Whey. I want to

contact them and find out if they have a customer/distributor here in Hong Kong.

> Thanks in advance for any info.

> ]Cheers, Doug

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Uni-key whey isn't better than alternatives because it's 16%

sugar, 5% inulin, 5% fat; it woudn't pass muster on the

candidiasis, diabetes or cancer groups.

Does it give the fractions of alpha-lactalbumin, serum albumin

and beta-lactoglobulins on the label? The company does not on the

website but it does disclose more than 3 grams (10%) glutamic

acid per serving, which indicates it's probably a hydrolyzed

product. Non-hydrolyzed undenatured whey contains more glutamine

peptides for glutathione production and less MSG from the

hyrolyzation process, if that makes a difference.

An excellent alternative at a third of the price is the Jarrow

undenatured whey, which discloses those values; it raises the bar

on whey competition due to higher glutathione precursors and

lower glutamate because it's non-hydrolyzed, and has almost 2/3

less sugar:

http://tinyurl.com/yj8nop

The Jarrow undenatured whey concentrate could be used as

something of a benchmark for higher-quality undenatured whey

concentrates; it even beats some isolates.

Duncan

On 16 Jan 2007 at 8:40, Coconut Oil

wrote:

>

> I did a google. Here is more info.

> http://secure.unikeyhealth.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=51

>

> Alobar

>

> On 1/15/07, Jackie <jacqueline33875@...> wrote:

> > i use Uni-Key. it is cold pressed. expensive , but worth it.

> >

> >

>

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Thank you for that; OK, the Jarrow Whey concentrate with no

additives contains a maximum of 1 gram of carbs in a 23 gram

scoop.

I'd consider upping the dose to 30 grams or more; protein

absorption is said to be about 40 grams in a sitting but I'm not

sure it applies to whey. Anyway, the scoop in the whey I use is

36 grams.

Duncan

> Posted by: " saffireskyes " saffireskyes@... saffireskyes

> Date: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:49 am ((PST))

>

> Hi Duncan,

> Per the suggestions at your website I purchased Jarrow Formulas Whey.

> The Supplemental facts list the total carbs as being 1 Gram - Sugars 1

> Gram; I would interpret this as being total carbs in the form of 1

> Gram of sugar. This is based upon 1 Scoop serving equaling 23 grams.

>

> I could only get the unflavored......which as it turns out is

> delicious in milk by making it more creamier in taste and texture. The

> unflavored probably helps cut back on the sugar content as well.

> Jarrow has no artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors listed as

> ingredients.

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You're welcome.Thanks for the dose suggestion. Coincidently, I began

by taking 1 scoop and 1/3 more. Instead, I will begin taking 1 scoop

2x a day for 2 separate servings of 46 grams. With what I consider

this morning " meal " I've also started taking Alpa Lipoic Acid, Super E

complex, DMAE, and Pycnogenol, and BComplex as additional supplements.

I immediately noticed a difference in my physical energy.

For anyone interested in Jarrow, which is really delicious even as

unflavored, it is definately less expensive buying on line, and not

readily available as a stock shelf item at Vitamine Shoppe. I was

lucky to walk into a store that had it as a special order item that

wasn't picked up by a customer. I paid $20, but I've since seen it on

line for $13.99 for same quantity.

>

> Thank you for that; OK, the Jarrow Whey concentrate with no

> additives contains a maximum of 1 gram of carbs in a 23 gram

> scoop.

>

> I'd consider upping the dose to 30 grams or more; protein

> absorption is said to be about 40 grams in a sitting but I'm not

> sure it applies to whey. Anyway, the scoop in the whey I use is

> 36 grams.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > Posted by: " saffireskyes " saffireskyes@... saffireskyes

> > Date: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:49 am ((PST))

> >

> > Hi Duncan,

> > Per the suggestions at your website I purchased Jarrow Formulas Whey.

> > The Supplemental facts list the total carbs as being 1 Gram - Sugars 1

> > Gram; I would interpret this as being total carbs in the form of 1

> > Gram of sugar. This is based upon 1 Scoop serving equaling 23 grams.

> >

> > I could only get the unflavored......which as it turns out is

> > delicious in milk by making it more creamier in taste and texture. The

> > unflavored probably helps cut back on the sugar content as well.

> > Jarrow has no artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors listed as

> > ingredients.

>

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I've had chocolate Whey in the past so I was reluctant to buy

unflavored. Since I have no aversion to milk, (I buy organic) the

unflavored Jarrow suits me just fine now. Whey, unflavored is really

more of a tasteless powder that can be mixed with anything. In fruit

juices, which I avoid because of the sugars, I'd imagine that it would

create a thin smoothie texture.

> >

> It is in a powdered form that you can mix with water or milk. I make

> a smoothie out of it. Fruit, coconut milk, and whey, delicious. I

> get the vanilla flavour. If you mix it with milk it is just like a

> milkshake.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Again...can someone explain this more....what Whey tastes

> like...can it be

> > mixed in fruit juice or does anyone know of a product that contains

> whey

> > that is a more clear and fruity drink???

> >

> > SeaLady

> >

> >

> >

> >

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The other day I made a smoothie with the following:

1 c. milk (I often use watered down coconut milk - sometimes a mixture of

dairy milk and coconut milk)

1 small frozen banana in chunks

about 1/4 to 1/3 cup cooked steel-cut oatmeal (I keep a supply of cooked oats

in refrig)

Scoop of NOW Vanilla Whey Powder equivalent to 28 grams protein (in the future

I will buy plain whey and add a few drops of real vanilla after reading what

Duncan's been sharing)

Stevia powder to taste (I use the NOW brand)

2 rounded teaspoons plain cocoa

A spoonful or so of VCO (I used to use nut butter but I really like it with

VCO)

Blend or process till smooth and creamy

--

I made a few batches because I was doing it for three people. I ended up with

about a cup too much, so I put it in the refrigerator. It eventually separates

and does not look like a shake anymore. The next afternoon I was kind of hungry

and noticed the jar of separated smoothie sitting in the fridge. I was cold, so

I decided to give it a stir and warm it up. SURPRISE! It was delicious--thick

enough to eat with a spoon. It reminded me of a chocolate pudding cake recipe I

used to make.

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After seeing this last week, it would seem that eating much less meat

in any form that is provided by the wholesale industry sould be of

utmost consideration. I've read articles, but not studies, where it

is believed that animals slaughtered in such fashion retain extremely

high levels of adrenaline in tissue of the animal which then enters

the system of the person eating the meat. I think....this theory

makes sense. Warning. This video is NOT for those who wish to remain

indifferent. You will be reminded of it when perusing the meat

counters of your grocery store.

http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=MYMblogad0107

>

> Can you eat only fruits, veggies and protien(organic meat or whey)

and stay healthly? of course

> with a multi vit, omega 3, fish oil, flaxseeds, VCO. do you need

starches? like

> potatoes,beans,pasta. will you be healthly and possibly lose weight?

>

>

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Kirsteen, warm whey is fine, but at over about 160 degrees the

glutathione precursors break, so don't use boiling water.

Duncan

>

> Duncan

>

> I take the whey every morning as a smoothie but I'd like to take it

at night

> sometimes as a hot drink. Is it all right to add it to hot water or

does

> that undo all the good of taking it.

>

> Thanks

> Kirsteen

>

> --

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

>

>

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On 1/21/07, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> Kirsteen, warm whey is fine, but at over about 160 degrees the

> glutathione precursors break, so don't use boiling water.

Thanks Duncan

I'll give it a try.

Cheers

Kirsteen

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Sacha,

" Dairy " is a loose catch-all term used by those who don't know the

difference (like " fat " ), and by agendists who don't want YOU to know

the difference.

Milk is the only obligatory food of all mammals. Survival of the

species has relied for eons on this being an entirely beneficial and

reliable pathway of assimilation.

What the problem is is that some components are different between

manmmals and these can cause issues in sensitive people. The

components that can cause issues are, primarily casein, sometimes

lactose, and rarely, beta-lactoglobulins; they can be removed.

The casein and most of the lactose have been removed in most

undenatured whey; when all of the differing components are removed

the balance is exactly the same across the whole mammalian order.

So the casein IS removed and although there may be traces of lactose

in SOME undenatured whey brands, lactose intolerance shouldn't be a

problem when your bowel ecology is in order, because a correct bowel

ecology supplies the missing enzyme to break it down that some people

do not produce. You can also take lactase, a digestive enzyme, and

not worry about lactose.

So, your naturopath should be upgrading his skill, that's all; this

information is more than 15 years old. Whey does not contain milk;

milk contains whey.

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

> So I got my Whey order today. And I just realized something, it

contains milk...the naturopath told me that my body cannot take

dairy. I don't think I am lactose though.. Is this a problem?

> Sacha

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Hi Duncan

Sorry if this is a silly question, but how are you supposed to eat the whey. I

don't have yorgurt, so I'm not quite sure what to put it in.

Also, can whey be used as a replacement of flour for cooking ingredients?

Sacha

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