Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: >If I deliberately wanted to make my kimchi " mushy " , how could I do it? > > > > Use whey. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: > If I deliberately wanted to make my kimchi " mushy " , how could I do it? 1. Ferment at a higher temp. 2. Don't pre-salt the cabbage or pound it. 3. Use whey as a starter. 4. Don't add enough salt. 5. Freeze the cabbage first. Just from what I've picked up here ... I can't figure why anyone would want to do that though ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 I was thinking of it just because I know chewing sauerkraut takes the enamel off my teeth. I want to make kimchi a primary component of my diet, but don't want to destroy my teeth. Anybody know how to counter this problem? Even drinking kefir does this to me (although, granted, I drink some pretty acidic kefir...) On 6/2/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote: > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > If I deliberately wanted to make my kimchi " mushy " , how could I do it? > 1. Ferment at a higher temp. > 2. Don't pre-salt the cabbage or pound it. > 3. Use whey as a starter. > 4. Don't add enough salt. > 5. Freeze the cabbage first. > > Just from what I've picked up here ... I can't figure why > anyone would want to do that though ... > > -- Heidi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Kefir whey? How does it taste with the whey? On 6/1/06, Suzanne Noakes <snoakes@...> wrote: > > > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > >If I deliberately wanted to make my kimchi " mushy " , how could I do it? > > > > > > > > > Use whey. > > --s > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: >Kefir whey? How does it taste with the whey? > > > > Yep. It has a sour taste, as does all lacto-fermented foods. I didn't find the taste of whey innoculated veggies and the taste of traditionally lacto-fermented veggies to vary, really. The stuff I innoculated with whey practically dissolved in the jar, though, so it should be *very* easy to chew. FWIW, I make kimchi with very little cabbage and mostly radish, which isn't difficult to chew up. If the acid on the surface of your teeth is the problem, though, it's probably going to be problematic irrespective of the kind of fermented food you're getting. Lactic acid is lactic acid. HTH! --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: > I was thinking of it just because I know chewing sauerkraut takes the > enamel > off my teeth. > I want to make kimchi a primary component of my diet, but don't want to > destroy my teeth. Anybody know how to counter this problem? Even drinking > kefir does this to me (although, granted, I drink some pretty acidic > kefir...) Um, fix the enamel on your teeth? If the enamel on your teeth is that weak, there is an underlying problem. I read something about how low thyroid makes the tubule flow in your teeth work backward, so the enamel doesn't remineralize. My dd had very, very weak enamel, and it was " sticky " on top. Now it's hard and solid. A lot of people I know have in fact managed to turn the enamel around. Factors include: lack of certain vitamins and minerals (D, iodine), food intolerances (gluten intolerance messes up calcium and D usage big time), thyroid problems. Just taking cod liver oil daily cured a few folks. Using neem bark for toothpaste does amazing things for the teeth too. Once the enamel is hard, acids really don't affect it much. But, short answer is, it's the acid that would be the problem, not the crunch so much. So you could make less-acidic kimchi. My " lightly fermented greens " are not very acidic at all, they don't taste sour. Also you can neutralize the acid by adding a little baking soda, or just rinse out your mouth after eating. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 So you mean you guys don't get this from eating lots of fermented foods? It's just me? I do have thyroid and mineral problems. I have lots of problems On 6/2/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote: > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > I was thinking of it just because I know chewing sauerkraut takes the > > enamel > > off my teeth. > > I want to make kimchi a primary component of my diet, but don't want to > > destroy my teeth. Anybody know how to counter this problem? Even > drinking > > kefir does this to me (although, granted, I drink some pretty acidic > > kefir...) > Um, fix the enamel on your teeth? > > If the enamel on your teeth is that weak, there is an underlying problem. > I read something about how low thyroid makes the tubule flow > in your teeth work backward, so the enamel doesn't remineralize. > My dd had very, very weak enamel, and it was " sticky " on top. > Now it's hard and solid. A lot of people I know have in fact > managed to turn the enamel around. Factors include: > lack of certain vitamins and minerals (D, iodine), food intolerances > (gluten intolerance messes up calcium and D usage big time), > thyroid problems. Just taking cod liver oil daily cured > a few folks. > > Using neem bark for toothpaste does amazing things > for the teeth too. > > Once the enamel is hard, acids really don't affect it much. > > But, short answer is, it's the acid that would be the > problem, not the crunch so much. So you could make > less-acidic kimchi. My " lightly fermented greens " are not > very acidic at all, they don't taste sour. Also you can > neutralize the acid by adding a little baking soda, > or just rinse out your mouth after eating. > > > -- Heidi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: >So you mean you guys don't get this from eating lots of fermented foods? >It's just me? >I do have thyroid and mineral problems. I have lots of problems > > > No, I don't and I do quite a bit in the way of fermented foods. I've got some thyroid difficulties, but I don't have any sensitive teeth problems. I'm gluten-free, though, so that may help. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 I am gluten free. I am carb free. In fact, my diet is 99.5% meat. Which is what I am trying to change. I currently can't tolerate carbs for various reasons but I'm hoping kimchi will be better. I know I used to tolerate " real " sauerkraut quite well. Drat, that's annoying. I will have to try find out what's causing this problem and fix it. Like I said, even drinking enough kefir will take the enamel right off my teeth. Thanks for the tip. I don't think it's Vit D because I get a lot of that. Maybe calcium or something... hmmm On 6/2/06, Suzanne Noakes <snoakes@...> wrote: > > > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > >So you mean you guys don't get this from eating lots of fermented foods? > >It's just me? > >I do have thyroid and mineral problems. I have lots of problems > > > > > > > No, I don't and I do quite a bit in the way of fermented foods. I've > got some thyroid difficulties, but I don't have any sensitive teeth > problems. I'm gluten-free, though, so that may help. > > --s > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: > So you mean you guys don't get this from eating lots of fermented foods? > It's just me? > I do have thyroid and mineral problems. I have lots of problems I don't think it's just you, it's half of America. I know a 5-year-old that is getting root canals, her teeth are a mess. She doesn't eat much candy either, and she's not obviously ill. But no, I eat a ton of fermented foods, and rarely brush (I chew neem sticks sometimes), and my dentist thinks my teeth are in great shape. My receding gums mostly came back too. Took several years of figuring out the underlying issues though, which isn't easy! I've been reading about iodine, and THAT seems to be one of the underlying teeth problems, along with maybe selenium. Do you eat kelp or seaweed? A lot of us here don't use iodized salt, and I avoided iodine in general because of my dermatitis herpetiformis, which I think was likely a mistake. Gluten damage can permanently damage the thyroid though, so it may not come back. Some people think the iodine really does help the thyroid though. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Interesting. I have several health issues and an imperfect diet (I only eat meat and eggs and the occasional kefir) so I'm quite prepared to believe it's related to that. But I know my mother also has always struggled with acid foods and her teeth - even lemons and unripe mangos - so maybe it's hereitary. I do avoid iodine (deliberately). Perhaps I should add small amounts back in. I have been lead to believe though that too much iodine will actually worsen my thyroid problems. I do like crunchy kraut. On 6/2/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote: > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > So you mean you guys don't get this from eating lots of fermented foods? > > It's just me? > > I do have thyroid and mineral problems. I have lots of problems > I don't think it's just you, it's half of America. I know a 5-year-old > that is getting root canals, her teeth are a mess. She doesn't > eat much candy either, and she's not obviously ill. > > But no, I eat a ton of fermented foods, and rarely brush > (I chew neem sticks sometimes), and my dentist thinks > my teeth are in great shape. My receding gums mostly > came back too. Took several years of figuring out > the underlying issues though, which isn't easy! > > I've been reading about iodine, and THAT seems to > be one of the underlying teeth problems, along > with maybe selenium. Do you eat kelp or seaweed? > A lot of us here don't use iodized salt, and I avoided > iodine in general because of my dermatitis herpetiformis, > which I think was likely a mistake. > > Gluten damage can permanently damage the thyroid > though, so it may not come back. Some people think > the iodine really does help the thyroid though. > > > -- Heidi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Thanks for the tip. It's just that when I last made keifr-whey-kraut, it turned out NASTY. But I brewed it at like 25-35 degrees celsius so I think maybe just some foul smelling yeast grew too quickly. Perhaps I will try it again. I'm planning on making a few batches in parallel as soon as I get some technical details worked out. Thanks Dirk On 6/2/06, Suzanne Noakes <snoakes@...> wrote: > > > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > >Kefir whey? How does it taste with the whey? > > > > > > > > > Yep. It has a sour taste, as does all lacto-fermented foods. I didn't > find the taste of whey innoculated veggies and the taste of > traditionally lacto-fermented veggies to vary, really. The stuff I > innoculated with whey practically dissolved in the jar, though, so it > should be *very* easy to chew. > > FWIW, I make kimchi with very little cabbage and mostly radish, which > isn't difficult to chew up. If the acid on the surface of your teeth is > the problem, though, it's probably going to be problematic irrespective > of the kind of fermented food you're getting. Lactic acid is lactic acid. > > HTH! > > > --s > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dirk Coetsee wrote: > Interesting. I have several health issues and an imperfect diet (I > only eat > meat and eggs and the occasional kefir) so I'm quite prepared to believe > it's related to that. But I know my mother also has always struggled with > acid foods and her teeth - even lemons and unripe mangos - so maybe it's > hereitary. I do avoid iodine (deliberately). Perhaps I should add small > amounts back in. I have been lead to believe though that too much iodine > will actually worsen my thyroid problems. I do like crunchy kraut. If you eat a lot of meat, you DO need a lot of calcium. Which is why most carnivores spend a lot of time crunching bones. Meat requires calcium for processing: I don't recall exactly why but I upped my cal/mag/zinc intake a LOT and it solved numerous problems (my bones are denser now too: on a bone scan they said I was in the 75th % for a 30-year old ... but I'm over 50. Everyone else in my family has ostopenia or osteoporosis). I'm not sure all the issues of iodine and thyroid problems. Apparently it's quite controversial. If you give a person with thyroid problems without sufficient selenium, it causes worse damage. Maybe. Places with low iodine tend to also have low selenium, so the two deficiencies go together. I was considering getting a cattle salt lick ... they add selenium because cattle tend to lack it, plus all those other trace minerals! -- Heidi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Yes. I have heard this. But on a low carb diet I think calcium needs are less exacerbated than on a high carb, high protein diet. Still, I should probably supp it. I just got SO tired of taking so many supplements that I kind of stopped them all. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in a way. Thanks for the tip On 6/2/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote: > > Dirk Coetsee wrote: > > Interesting. I have several health issues and an imperfect diet (I > > only eat > > meat and eggs and the occasional kefir) so I'm quite prepared to believe > > it's related to that. But I know my mother also has always struggled > with > > acid foods and her teeth - even lemons and unripe mangos - so maybe it's > > hereitary. I do avoid iodine (deliberately). Perhaps I should add small > > amounts back in. I have been lead to believe though that too much iodine > > will actually worsen my thyroid problems. I do like crunchy kraut. > If you eat a lot of meat, you DO need a lot of calcium. > Which is why most carnivores spend a lot of time crunching > bones. Meat requires calcium for processing: I don't recall > exactly why but I upped my cal/mag/zinc intake a LOT and > it solved numerous problems (my bones are denser now > too: on a bone scan they said I was in the 75th % for a 30-year > old ... but I'm over 50. Everyone else in my family has ostopenia > or osteoporosis). > > I'm not sure all the issues of iodine and thyroid problems. > Apparently it's quite controversial. If you give a person with > thyroid problems without sufficient selenium, it causes > worse damage. Maybe. Places with low iodine tend to > also have low selenium, so the two deficiencies go together. > I was considering getting a cattle salt lick ... they add > selenium because cattle tend to lack it, plus all those > other trace minerals! > > > -- Heidi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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