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Lately I'm into coconut milk kefir! It's awesome

On 6/27/06, nixtaur <nixtaur@...> wrote:

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> Hi everyone!

>

> Newbie Nikki here. Heidi, thank you so much for the grains and

> keffili. I am having so much fun with them! My family and I love the

> kefir.

>

> I'm making kefir beer (or attempting to). I made a mistake and added

> the honey in the beginning instead of during the bottling process. Is

> this still going to work?

>

> I put in 1 bag raspberries, 5 T honey, 62 oz. water and 1 clump kefir.

>

> Thanks alot!

>

> Nikki

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Care to share the recipe?

Thanks, Nikki

> >

> > Hi everyone!

> >

> > Newbie Nikki here. Heidi, thank you so much for the grains and

> > keffili. I am having so much fun with them! My family and I love

the

> > kefir.

> >

> > I'm making kefir beer (or attempting to). I made a mistake and

added

> > the honey in the beginning instead of during the bottling

process. Is

> > this still going to work?

> >

> > I put in 1 bag raspberries, 5 T honey, 62 oz. water and 1 clump

kefir.

> >

> > Thanks alot!

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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No recipe. Take coconut milk, add kefir grains...

But you need to use coconut milk without preservatives, thickeners, or other

additives.

I also think it might taste pretty good with a bit of lemon juice mixed in.

It's just so nice and creamy and coconutty.

On 6/27/06, nixtaur <nixtaur@...> wrote:

>

> Care to share the recipe?

>

> Thanks, Nikki

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone!

> > >

> > > Newbie Nikki here. Heidi, thank you so much for the grains and

> > > keffili. I am having so much fun with them! My family and I love

> the

> > > kefir.

> > >

> > > I'm making kefir beer (or attempting to). I made a mistake and

> added

> > > the honey in the beginning instead of during the bottling

> process. Is

> > > this still going to work?

> > >

> > > I put in 1 bag raspberries, 5 T honey, 62 oz. water and 1 clump

> kefir.

> > >

> > > Thanks alot!

> > >

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Wow, thanks. Sounds great! I just happen to have a can of cocnut milk in the

cupboard.

Nikki

Dirk Coetsee <dirk.coetsee@...> wrote:

No recipe. Take coconut milk, add kefir grains...

But you need to use coconut milk without preservatives, thickeners, or other

additives.

I also think it might taste pretty good with a bit of lemon juice mixed in.

It's just so nice and creamy and coconutty.

On 6/27/06, nixtaur <nixtaur@...> wrote:

>

> Care to share the recipe?

>

> Thanks, Nikki

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone!

> > >

> > > Newbie Nikki here. Heidi, thank you so much for the grains and

> > > keffili. I am having so much fun with them! My family and I love

> the

> > > kefir.

> > >

> > > I'm making kefir beer (or attempting to). I made a mistake and

> added

> > > the honey in the beginning instead of during the bottling

> process. Is

> > > this still going to work?

> > >

> > > I put in 1 bag raspberries, 5 T honey, 62 oz. water and 1 clump

> kefir.

> > >

> > > Thanks alot!

> > >

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Just be careful that it's 100% coconut milk. I used to use tinned coconut

milk that contained all kinds of emulsifiers and even preservatives and the

result was not nearly as good (although fermentation will still occur)

On 6/27/06, nikki <nixtaur@...> wrote:

>

> Wow, thanks. Sounds great! I just happen to have a can of cocnut milk in

> the cupboard.

>

> Nikki

>

>

> Dirk Coetsee <dirk.coetsee@... <dirk.coetsee%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> No recipe. Take coconut milk, add kefir grains...

> But you need to use coconut milk without preservatives, thickeners, or

> other

> additives.

> I also think it might taste pretty good with a bit of lemon juice mixed

> in.

> It's just so nice and creamy and coconutty.

>

> On 6/27/06, nixtaur <nixtaur@... <nixtaur%40>> wrote:

> >

> > Care to share the recipe?

> >

> > Thanks, Nikki

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone!

> > > >

> > > > Newbie Nikki here. Heidi, thank you so much for the grains and

> > > > keffili. I am having so much fun with them! My family and I love

> > the

> > > > kefir.

> > > >

> > > > I'm making kefir beer (or attempting to). I made a mistake and

> > added

> > > > the honey in the beginning instead of during the bottling

> > process. Is

> > > > this still going to work?

> > > >

> > > > I put in 1 bag raspberries, 5 T honey, 62 oz. water and 1 clump

> > kefir.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks alot!

> > > >

> > > > Nikki

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Taste it. Worst case, it's vinegar. But if it's *just* starting

to bubble, it might not even be done yet. Honey

tends to make the fermentation happen much more

slowly. Meads can take a year to ferment.

How done is done is mainly a matter of taste. It gets less sweet and

more alcoholic as you go, then it gets more and more sour

and less alcoholic.

Honey takes forever to ferment, and some of it never

seems to ferment, so it's always a little sweet when you

use honey. 5T honey for 64 oz of water isn't very much

sugar though (might depend on how many raspberries you

used too though). It might be a little bland in that case.

I've never got sick from any ferment though, nor is

it a common problem, esp. with stuff made from carbs

(fish ferments can be toxic if you don't do them right).

Worst case they get slimy or moldy, but it's pretty

obvious when that happens. Usually if you wait too

long you just get vinegar, but kefir vinegar is rather

tasty in my experience. Also if you wait too long

and it turns into vinegar, the grains can die, but

they are replaceable (they kind of dissolve into the

vinegar if you wait too long to take them out).

Also, remember that in winemaking, wines are typically

aged like ... YEARS. Beer usually is ready in a month

or two. Two weeks is nothing (but can be enough with

kefir, since it works differently than straight yeast).

-- Heidi

> Hello,

>I've been fermenting my jefir beer (raspberries, kefir, 5 T honey, 62

oz water) for like 2 weeks now. It's starting to bubble with yeast on

the top. Can this be drinkable or did I wait way too long?

Thanks, Nikki

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to make coconutmilk you mix the meat of the coocnut (copra) with warm water

and squezzze it. All cocnutmilk contains water. However, sometimes you might

get coconutwater, wich is the liquid in the coconut. Thi sis propably really

good to ferment?

I just made my first batch of coconutmilkyoghurt, and it is deilicious! But

watery. I used probiotica starter from capsules (Probiozym).

In Norway there is something called " tettemelk " where a small plant is used

to make a thicker milk. Does anyone know about this? My mother tried to make

it once, but unsuccesfully. Some doctors think it is the most healing of all

milks.

Tove

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I don't know about tettemelk, but I make viili, which is

very thick and from Finland, I think. It is a culture. Mine

is mixed with kefir so it's kefiili.

-- Heidi

> In Norway there is something called " tettemelk " where a small plant

is used

to make a thicker milk. Does anyone know about this? My mother tried to

make

it once, but unsuccesfully. Some doctors think it is the most healing of

all

milks.

Tove

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My kefir beer/wine isn't doing anything. I've got kefir apple

wine/beer going, and a test batch of the same with yeast. the yeast

batch has the balloons swelling, but the kefir batch isn't. Am I doing

something wrong?

Neil

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the Apple batch is doing fine, now, with gas, but the Strawberry/pineapple

appears to be molding. I'll give it a few more days, then give it the " sniff

test. "

Thanks for your help.

Neil

Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>> My kefir beer/wine isn't doing anything. I've got kefir apple

wine/beer going, and a test batch of the same with yeast. the yeast

batch has the balloons swelling, but the kefir batch isn't. Am I doing

something wrong?

>> Neil

Probably it is fine. For reasons I'm not clear on,

my kefir beer rarely produces much gas. It DOES ferment,

and it tastes good, but I think most of the ferment is lacto,

not yeasto. Which means less ethanol, but since I'm

not drinking it for the ethanol I don't really care.

The same is true for kimchi, BTW. I made a batch

of kimchi once in a plastic bag, to watch the gas

production, and it produced hardly any. But once in

awhile I get a batch of kimchi that produces LOTS

of gas. Part of it might be the amount of sugar?

If you save the dregs, you get more yeast action and

less bacterial action eventually. I find that adding

hops or honey slows things down too.

-- Heidi

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Neil wrote:

>>> My kefir beer/wine isn't doing anything. I've got kefir apple

wine/beer going, and a test batch of the same with yeast. the yeast

batch has the balloons swelling, but the kefir batch isn't. Am I doing

something wrong?

>>> Neil

Heidi wrote:

> The same is true for kimchi, BTW.

> If you save the dregs, you get more yeast action and

> less bacterial action eventually.

> -- Heidi

Hello Heidi, Neil and all,

Neil, my guess is that you transfered milk kefir-grains for their first

time, in a wine/beer-making recipe. Although what you found is likely to

occur with traditional water kefir-grains also.

In either case, why there is little yeast activity, Heidi's last

statement, in a way, holds the answer to this problem [recycling

organisms in new ingredients].

Recently transfered kefir grains to a new media, certain organisms more

so than others, go through a " lag phase " , where not much activity among

organisms occurs for some time.

This is referred to as " unbalanced growth " , where organisms do not

reproduce, but fatten up by accumulating energy while their metabolism

adjusts to adapt to the new sugar source. It takes time for the

organisms to adapt to the new source of energy.

The same kefir grains have to be recycled in fresh ingredients every 4

to 5 days, over a 2 week period, until yeasts have adapted to the new

form of sugar sufficiently enough, to commence fermentation more

readily. However, quite likely, a combination between lactic, and yeast

[CO2 and alcohol] fermentation will always occur even with well adapted

kefir-grain organisms.

Be-well,

Dom

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Well,

the batch that wasn't gasy molded. So it spoiled. All three of the

others are bubbling away.

I used a dry kefir culture that came in a packet from the health

food store.

Neil

> > The same is true for kimchi, BTW.

> > If you save the dregs, you get more yeast action and

> > less bacterial action eventually.

> > -- Heidi

>

>

> Hello Heidi, Neil and all,

>

> Neil, my guess is that you transfered milk kefir-grains for their

first

> time, in a wine/beer-making recipe. Although what you found is

likely to

> occur with traditional water kefir-grains also.

>

> In either case, why there is little yeast activity, Heidi's last

> statement, in a way, holds the answer to this problem [recycling

> organisms in new ingredients].

>

> Recently transfered kefir grains to a new media, certain organisms

more

> so than others, go through a " lag phase " , where not much activity

among

> organisms occurs for some time.

>

> This is referred to as " unbalanced growth " , where organisms do not

> reproduce, but fatten up by accumulating energy while their

metabolism

> adjusts to adapt to the new sugar source. It takes time for the

> organisms to adapt to the new source of energy.

>

> The same kefir grains have to be recycled in fresh ingredients

every 4

> to 5 days, over a 2 week period, until yeasts have adapted to the

new

> form of sugar sufficiently enough, to commence fermentation more

> readily. However, quite likely, a combination between lactic, and

yeast

> [CO2 and alcohol] fermentation will always occur even with well

adapted

> kefir-grain organisms.

>

> Be-well,

> Dom

>

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Neil, as stated for both varieties of kefir grains, the same goes for a

commercial kefir-starter. The organsims for commercial kefir-starters

are selected and cultured on lactose based medium, for they are intended

to be culured in fresh milk to prepare a form of kefir. So in essence,

when using the organisms in a non-lactose media, it will take some time

until the organisms adapt to the new sugar, or energy source. Other

essential nutrients for the organsims play a role in this, too, which

non-milk media either lack, or contain less amounts of some, or most of

the essential nutrients.

With the use of commcerial kefir starter, if recycling an amount of

previouse brew to inoculate fresh ingredients in your beer making,

should give interesting results, over time. I've never tried this, so I

can not specify.

Be-well,

Dom

Neil wrote:

> Well,

> the batch that wasn't gasy molded. So it spoiled. All three of the

> others are bubbling away.

> I used a dry kefir culture that came in a packet from the health

> food store.

> Neil

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Susie,

I've experimented with making apple cider and will share what I did. I

got a half gallon of organic, unfiltered apple juice. Had to use

pasteurized, since the only place here that sells freshly squeezed juice

quit making the apple juice because it ferments too fast! I put kefir

grains in it and put a coffee filter over the top (that's what I use

instead of cheesecloth). I tasted it every day until I liked it then

put it in the refrigerator. It had a bit of alcohol, I could feel it,

but it wasn't more than 2-3% probably. It was pretty good.

in Houston

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Water kefir grains, right? How much kefir grains to a ½ gallon of juice?

If you have a juicer, you could make your own juice.

Kathy

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Subject: Re: kefir beer

Susie,

I've experimented with making apple cider and will share what I did. I

got a half gallon of organic, unfiltered apple juice. Had to use

pasteurized, since the only place here that sells freshly squeezed juice

quit making the apple juice because it ferments too fast! I put kefir

grains in it and put a coffee filter over the top (that's what I use

instead of cheesecloth). I tasted it every day until I liked it then

put it in the refrigerator. It had a bit of alcohol, I could feel it,

but it wasn't more than 2-3% probably. It was pretty good.

in Houston

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Hi ,

Thanks for the tips. I think I will give it a try, as advised the same.

I appreciate having such experienced people to gleen knowledge from.

Susie

Re: kefir beer

Susie,

I've experimented with making apple cider and will share what I did. I

got a half gallon of organic, unfiltered apple juice. Had to use

pasteurized, since the only place here that sells freshly squeezed juice

quit making the apple juice because it ferments too fast! I put kefir

grains in it and put a coffee filter over the top (that's what I use

instead of cheesecloth). I tasted it every day until I liked it then

put it in the refrigerator. It had a bit of alcohol, I could feel it,

but it wasn't more than 2-3% probably. It was pretty good.

in Houston

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You can use water kefir grains, but I used milk kefir grains. The milk kefir

has good probiotics in it, but I can't drink milk much (even kefirized). The

trace casein doesn't seem to bother me, and the grains will last for a good

6 months in apple juice.

I use the " good fresh " stuff when I can, but any juice makes decent cider.

Most of what I've seen is pasteurized too. It does start fermenting as soon

as you juice the apples, otherwise.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> Water kefir grains, right? How much kefir grains to a ½ gallon of juice?

>

>

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> If you have a juicer, you could make your own juice.

>

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> Kathy

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Just one grain. The first batch takes about a week. Then save the " dregs " of

that batch, pour in more apple juice, and the next batch will only take a

couple of days.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> How much kefir grains to ½ gallon of juice?

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> Thanks,

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> Kathy

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