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I made that " Sweet Potato Fly " in the WF book (interesting!) and am

trying to carbonate it like one does with ginger beer. Didn't add the

full amt of water to ferment it with, so am adding more water with

sugar dissolved in it, to the fermented brew. Will put it in soda

bottles and keep an eye on them. I'm assuming I have the right idea?

One thing that's curious - the WF book suggests letting ginger beer

ferment in the bottles for 2 weeks, then warns of extreme carbonation

when opened. (I've seen that - when my husband made ginger beer 34

yrs. ago and 1/2 the bottle erupted out unexpectedly when opened, we

were afraid to drink it!) But in the antique recipes one of you

refered to, it suggested letting it be in the bottles 2 days. If the

idea is to get a " soda pop " amount of carbonation but not a Vesuvius

amount in the finished drink, I wonder about how much time it should

be left to ferment? Will keep testing the plastic soda bottles to see

how taut they are, and when they are hard to depress, I'll try it.

Nance

....Tiny bubbles, in the pop...

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Hi Nance,

I was just answering about this on another group so I'll go with my

momentus momentum and throw you a bone too :~)

Provided that you have an active ferment going on..

Roughly 24 hours at temps around 70-75 will give you good carbonation.

Some key points:

Do like you said and check the firmness of the soda bottles, wait till it's

pretty good and hard. Then refrigerate until well chilled.

The colder a liquid is, the more gas it is able to take into solution.

So by chilling the bottle first you will allow the gas compressed in the

small space above the liquid to dissolve into the brew. This also slows the

dissolution of the gas when you open the bottle preventing said " Sweet

Potato Vesuvius " ..

I have that Sandor Katz book but never tried that one, it sounds like it

ought to be ready soon so please do let us know how the results.

Cares,

Beau

On 9/2/06, nan4cl <nan4cl@...> wrote:

>

> I made that " Sweet Potato Fly " in the WF book (interesting!) and am

> trying to carbonate it like one does with ginger beer. Didn't add the

> full amt of water to ferment it with, so am adding more water with

> sugar dissolved in it, to the fermented brew. Will put it in soda

> bottles and keep an eye on them. I'm assuming I have the right idea?

>

> One thing that's curious - the WF book suggests letting ginger beer

> ferment in the bottles for 2 weeks, then warns of extreme carbonation

> when opened. (I've seen that - when my husband made ginger beer 34

> yrs. ago and 1/2 the bottle erupted out unexpectedly when opened, we

> were afraid to drink it!) But in the antique recipes one of you

> refered to, it suggested letting it be in the bottles 2 days. If the

> idea is to get a " soda pop " amount of carbonation but not a Vesuvius

> amount in the finished drink, I wonder about how much time it should

> be left to ferment? Will keep testing the plastic soda bottles to see

> how taut they are, and when they are hard to depress, I'll try it.

>

> Nance

>

> ...Tiny bubbles, in the pop...

>

>

>

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>> One thing that's curious - the WF book suggests letting ginger beer

ferment in the bottles for 2 weeks, then warns of extreme carbonation

when opened. (I've seen that - when my husband made ginger beer 34

yrs. ago and 1/2 the bottle erupted out unexpectedly when opened, we

were afraid to drink it!) But in the antique recipes one of you

refered to, it suggested letting it be in the bottles 2 days. If the

idea is to get a " soda pop " amount of carbonation but not a Vesuvius

amount in the finished drink, I wonder about how much time it should

be left to ferment? Will keep testing the plastic soda bottles to see

how taut they are, and when they are hard to depress, I'll try it.

It is a really odd thing, but back in the days when

we made pop as a kid, there was LOTS of sugar, and

it sat for weeks sometimes, and we never got a vesuvius.

With homebrew, we would let it " go dry " then add a very

measured amount of sugar, and that prevented it from

over-fermenting, even if we kept the beer for weeks or

months.

But the microbial brews will just keep on fermenting,

so you have to be more careful. Myself I gave up on

glass, and use polycarbonate or PETE bottles. With

the PETE bottles you can just feel the sides to see

how bubbly it is, then put it in the fridge when the

sides are taut.

-- Heidi

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Hey Heidi,

You mention how the soda you used to make with LOTS of sugar didn't

over-carbonate..that is odd..

Hmm well, sugar is a preservative and pretty much un-fermentable at really

high concentrations. (e.g. Honey won't really ferment until you dilute it

with water)

Maybe your soda was so sweet that it fermented just a little before the

yeast just couldn't handle the sweetness anymore? Or maybe the pressure

inhibited further fermentation..

Not that I know these to be traits of bakers yeast, I'd bet that you used

bakers yeast back then?

I mean I've made ginger beer with ale yeast and if you leave that stuff out

for more than a day or two they can get pretty Vesuvial too... and that's

pretty much a yeast only ferment.

Oh well it's all good unless someone gets hurt, so unless you're taking

hydrometer readings, fully fermenting and calculating your priming

(carbonating) sugar, I agree that it's always best to make soda in plastic

bottles.

Beau

On 9/2/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> >> One thing that's curious - the WF book suggests letting ginger beer

> ferment in the bottles for 2 weeks, then warns of extreme carbonation

> when opened. (I've seen that - when my husband made ginger beer 34

> yrs. ago and 1/2 the bottle erupted out unexpectedly when opened, we

> were afraid to drink it!) But in the antique recipes one of you

> refered to, it suggested letting it be in the bottles 2 days. If the

> idea is to get a " soda pop " amount of carbonation but not a Vesuvius

> amount in the finished drink, I wonder about how much time it should

> be left to ferment? Will keep testing the plastic soda bottles to see

> how taut they are, and when they are hard to depress, I'll try it.

>

> It is a really odd thing, but back in the days when

> we made pop as a kid, there was LOTS of sugar, and

> it sat for weeks sometimes, and we never got a vesuvius.

> With homebrew, we would let it " go dry " then add a very

> measured amount of sugar, and that prevented it from

> over-fermenting, even if we kept the beer for weeks or

> months.

>

> But the microbial brews will just keep on fermenting,

> so you have to be more careful. Myself I gave up on

> glass, and use polycarbonate or PETE bottles. With

> the PETE bottles you can just feel the sides to see

> how bubbly it is, then put it in the fridge when the

> sides are taut.

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

>

--

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www.evolvingcreations.com

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Hey Heidi,

You mention how the soda you used to make with LOTS of sugar didn't

>> .that is odd..

Hmm well, sugar is a preservative and pretty much un-fermentable at really

high concentrations. (e.g. Honey won't really ferment until you dilute it

with water)

Maybe your soda was so sweet that it fermented just a little before the

yeast just couldn't handle the sweetness anymore? Or maybe the pressure

inhibited further fermentation..

Not that I know these to be traits of bakers yeast, I'd bet that you used

bakers yeast back then?

Beau

My guess is, now that I know a little more about it, that

the yeast didn't have any nutrients to eat. White sugar has

zero yeast food. So if ALL you use is white sugar and

yeast and a little packaged flavoring, you really don't get

all that much yeast action. A couple of people had failures

doing home fermenting for that reason: and " yeast nutrient "

solved the problem.

However, our nice probiotic healthy drinks have

plenty of nutrients. And man do they fizz!

BTW ... I bottled my latest batch of molasses/hops

kefir beer a little early (after only 2 days in the jug)

and sheesh ... 2 days in the bottle -- it has a nice head!

This next batch I'm adding a little agar-agar

and see if the head " keeps " better.

-- Heidi

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Ah yes, that makes complete sense.. Ginger must have some serious yeast

nutrients..

I have kombucha going and sometimes bottle it with a ginger slice or

two..the difference and intensity of the carbonation that develops is

incredible compared to just bottling it alone..

Hmm agar-agar for head retention interesting, let us know..

Take Care,

Beau

On 9/3/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> Hey Heidi,

> You mention how the soda you used to make with LOTS of sugar didn't

>

>

> >> .that is odd..

> Hmm well, sugar is a preservative and pretty much un-fermentable at really

> high concentrations. (e.g. Honey won't really ferment until you dilute it

> with water)

> Maybe your soda was so sweet that it fermented just a little before the

> yeast just couldn't handle the sweetness anymore? Or maybe the pressure

> inhibited further fermentation..

> Not that I know these to be traits of bakers yeast, I'd bet that you used

> bakers yeast back then?

>

> Beau

>

> My guess is, now that I know a little more about it, that

> the yeast didn't have any nutrients to eat. White sugar has

> zero yeast food. So if ALL you use is white sugar and

> yeast and a little packaged flavoring, you really don't get

> all that much yeast action. A couple of people had failures

> doing home fermenting for that reason: and " yeast nutrient "

> solved the problem.

>

> However, our nice probiotic healthy drinks have

> plenty of nutrients. And man do they fizz!

>

> BTW ... I bottled my latest batch of molasses/hops

> kefir beer a little early (after only 2 days in the jug)

> and sheesh ... 2 days in the bottle -- it has a nice head!

> This next batch I'm adding a little agar-agar

> and see if the head " keeps " better.

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

>

--

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www.evolvingcreations.com

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Hello Heidi,

Please explain more about this to me, " go dry " and measured amount

of sugar...more about how to do this. So much appreciate hearing

about the origional ways.

Audrey

<snippet>

> It is a really odd thing, but back in the days when

> we made pop as a kid, there was LOTS of sugar, and

> it sat for weeks sometimes, and we never got a vesuvius.

> With homebrew, we would let it " go dry " then add a very

> measured amount of sugar, and that prevented it from

> over-fermenting, even if we kept the beer for weeks or

> months.

>

> But the microbial brews will just keep on fermenting,

> so you have to be more careful. Myself I gave up on

> glass, and use polycarbonate or PETE bottles. With

> the PETE bottles you can just feel the sides to see

> how bubbly it is, then put it in the fridge when the

> sides are taut.

>

> -- Heidi

>

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Hi Beau,

Oh, now that sounds like what I was asking Heidi about. I need to

practice using that hydrometer I bought too.

Audrey

<snippet>

> Oh well it's all good unless someone gets hurt, so unless you're

taking

> hydrometer readings, fully fermenting and calculating your priming

> (carbonating) sugar, I agree that it's always best to make soda in

plastic

> bottles.

> Beau

>

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Hi Heidi,

Oh, now I need to go recheck what the brew shop lady sold me, for

making ginger ale, root beer...think I have yeast nurtient in there

also.

Audrey

<snippet>>

> My guess is, now that I know a little more about it, that

> the yeast didn't have any nutrients to eat. White sugar has

> zero yeast food. So if ALL you use is white sugar and

> yeast and a little packaged flavoring, you really don't get

> all that much yeast action. A couple of people had failures

> doing home fermenting for that reason: and " yeast nutrient "

> solved the problem.

>

> However, our nice probiotic healthy drinks have

> plenty of nutrients. And man do they fizz!

>

> BTW ... I bottled my latest batch of molasses/hops

> kefir beer a little early (after only 2 days in the jug)

> and sheesh ... 2 days in the bottle -- it has a nice head!

> This next batch I'm adding a little agar-agar

> and see if the head " keeps " better.

>

> -- Heidi

>

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Hi Beau,

What about using the lemon verbena? Agar Agar???

Audrey

<snippet>

> incredible compared to just bottling it alone..

> Hmm agar-agar for head retention interesting, let us know..

> Take Care,

> Beau

> On 9/3/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

> >

> >

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I have made the Sweet Potato Fly. At the end of the suggested fermentation

period, I found it was still quite sweet and not too bubbly. So, I stored it in

flip lock bottles in the refrigerator. It was at least a month or 2 later when

I ventured to open it and it was great. Not sweet and it had a head on it like

beer. The longer it stayed stored in the refrigerator, the better it got.

Carol S.

nan4cl <nan4cl@...> wrote: I made that

" Sweet Potato Fly " in the WF book (interesting!) and am

trying to carbonate it like one does with ginger beer. Didn't add the

full amt of water to ferment it with, so am adding more water with

sugar dissolved in it, to the fermented brew. Will put it in soda

bottles and keep an eye on them. I'm assuming I have the right idea?

Drink Real Milk

http://www.F-A-R-M.org/

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Good tip Carol,

Not that it can solve everything, but cold storage/aging or simply cooler

fermentation often can improve SOME fermented beverages..Lactofermented

beverages seem to be best if fermented below 75F..

Beau

On 9/8/06, Carol Saunders <carolnpepa@...> wrote:

>

> I have made the Sweet Potato Fly. At the end of the suggested

> fermentation period, I found it was still quite sweet and not too bubbly.

> So, I stored it in flip lock bottles in the refrigerator. It was at least a

> month or 2 later when I ventured to open it and it was great. Not sweet and

> it had a head on it like beer. The longer it stayed stored in the

> refrigerator, the better it got.

>

> Carol S.

>

> nan4cl <nan4cl@... <nan4cl%40>> wrote: I made that " Sweet

> Potato Fly " in the WF book (interesting!) and am

>

> trying to carbonate it like one does with ginger beer. Didn't add the

> full amt of water to ferment it with, so am adding more water with

> sugar dissolved in it, to the fermented brew. Will put it in soda

> bottles and keep an eye on them. I'm assuming I have the right idea?

>

>

> Drink Real Milk

> http://www.F-A-R-M.org/ <http://www.f-a-r-m.org/>

>

>

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