Re: Oxalobacter formigenes in fermented foods

[Guest guest]

I'd sure like to find out. Oxal. Form. seems to be really common, most

humans get it sooner or later, and you'd think then that it would live

in fermenting greens! And take out the oxalates! But I haven't

seen if anyone has actually tested this.

-- Heidi

clzdawson wrote:

> Does anyone know if any fermented foods have the bacteria oxalobacter

> formigenes? It breaks down oxalic acid. There's evidence that some

> autistic kids have excess oxalates. Two of my kids have ASD and I'd

> like to figure out if certain ferments will help them as far as

> reducing oxalates.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

[Guest guest]

I asked someone (a biochemist) on a list I'm on for people who

are trying a low oxalate diet to treat autism (trying_low_oxalates)

about this. She said that oxalobacter formigenes is an anaerobe.

Presumably then it's not going to be in a fermentation product in

the presence of oxygen. Is it possible to do anaerobic fermentation?

> > Does anyone know if any fermented foods have the bacteria

oxalobacter

> > formigenes? It breaks down oxalic acid. There's evidence that

some

> > autistic kids have excess oxalates. Two of my kids have ASD and

I'd

> > like to figure out if certain ferments will help them as far as

> > reducing oxalates.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

clzdawson wrote:

> I asked someone (a biochemist) on a list I'm on for people who

> are trying a low oxalate diet to treat autism (trying_low_oxalates)

> about this. She said that oxalobacter formigenes is an anaerobe.

> Presumably then it's not going to be in a fermentation product in

> the presence of oxygen. Is it possible to do anaerobic fermentation?

>

>

All my ferments are anaerobic. Except when I'm making vinegar,

I make sure oxygen is available then.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I had read that some enzyme in rice bran help oxalic acid neutralize.

Some vegetables like bamboo shoots are treated by boiling with rice

bran to extract oxalic acid.

Pickling veges with rice bran and some calsium (egg shells) may lead

oxalic acid to calsium oxalate,stable compound not digested as oxalic

acid to the body.

[Guest guest]

There is apparently a company in Germany that works on making a way to sell

these bacteria commercially.

I am looking forward to that day!

Tove

Re: Oxalobacter formigenes in fermented foods

I'd sure like to find out. Oxal. Form. seems to be really common, most

humans get it sooner or later, and you'd think then that it would live

in fermenting greens! And take out the oxalates! But I haven't

seen if anyone has actually tested this.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

,

What ASD is about? (assuming something like autism syndrom,Acute Stress

Disorder or something else?)

[Guest guest]

I don't know about a company in Germany, but I do know that there is

a Florida based company named Ixion working on it.

>

> There is apparently a company in Germany that works on making a

way to sell

> these bacteria commercially.

> I am looking forward to that day!

> Tove

>

> Re: Oxalobacter formigenes in fermented foods

>

>

>

> I'd sure like to find out. Oxal. Form. seems to be really common,

most

> humans get it sooner or later, and you'd think then that it would

live

> in fermenting greens! And take out the oxalates! But I haven't

> seen if anyone has actually tested this.

>

> -- Heidi

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry. ASD stands for autism spectrum disorder.

>

> ,

> What ASD is about? (assuming something like autism syndrom,Acute

Stress

> Disorder or something else?)

>