Re: vinegar to lose weight?

[Guest guest]

Never tried, but some people swear apple cider vinegar cures all kinds of

things... the good, unpasteurised, unfiltered kind...

On 5/13/06, Billie <billiegail453@...> wrote:

>

> Years ago my neighbor had heart problems and one of these problems was

> that he had too much fat around his heart. His heart doctor told him to

> drink several glasses of vinegar and water 1/2 and 1/2 to remove the

> fat and to lose weight. Everywhere he went he had that glass of water

> and vinegar and He dropped the weight extremely fast. I could never

> bring myself to do it because of the horrible taste of vinegar, but I

> have started drinking it in orange juice and grape fruit juice and I

> find that to be okay. My question is this, have you ever used vinegar

> to lose weight and did it work for you? What do you know about using

> vinegar?

> Thanks

> Billiegail

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This article http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041218/food.asp

suggests that vinegar can help control insulin/blood sugar levels, so

it could be useful in losing weight, but taking it with lots of sugar

(as in fruit juice) might negate the effect!

>

> Years ago my neighbor had heart problems and one of these problems was

> that he had too much fat around his heart. His heart doctor told him to

> drink several glasses of vinegar and water 1/2 and 1/2 to remove the

> fat and to lose weight. Everywhere he went he had that glass of water

> and vinegar and He dropped the weight extremely fast. I could never

> bring myself to do it because of the horrible taste of vinegar, but I

> have started drinking it in orange juice and grape fruit juice and I

> find that to be okay. My question is this, have you ever used vinegar

> to lose weight and did it work for you? What do you know about using

> vinegar?

> Thanks

> Billiegail

>

[Guest guest]

Any kind of organic vinegars should work for you.

Apple cider vinegar, rice vinegar, wine vinegar,,,.

If the stimulation is too strong for you, you may want to

try with adding into soup. The stimulation goes away yet the valuable

ingredients remain in food.

Also adding sweats like honey or black mollases help, too.

No,no, to refined sugar, which waste your menerals off the body.

[Guest guest]

Seems like most of the references

to this are either people selling a diet,

or saying it doesn't work! But I have

read elsewhere that sour foods in general

change the insulin response to a meal. Eating

yogurt before a meal changes the blood sugar

curve, for instance. Drinking soup before

a meal seems to act similarly: it was very effective

in one study for weight loss, but carrying vinegar

around is a lot easier than carrying around soup!

Vinegar also increases HCL

in the stomach, which would make the meal

digest better. The reason HCL increases isn't

because vinegar is so acidic, it's some kind of

trigger to the cells that produce HCL. Vinegar

triggers a lot of things ... it's very effective for

stopping hiccups, for one thing, for reasons I'm

not sure anyone understands. (Mix half vinegar

with half honey or sugar, and take 1 tsp).

Anyway, sounds worth an experiment! Can't

see how it could hurt anything. If you mix

vinegar with honey in water, it actually tastes *good*

BTW. My kids used to fake hiccups to get the

medicine!

Here is one reasonable writup:

http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/article/3439/vinegar.html

Researchers at the Department of Food Technology, Engineering and

Nutrition, at Sweden's Lund University recently reported on a study in

which 12 healthy subjects ate four " meals " of white wheat bread. One of

the meals consisted of bread alone (a control meal), while the other

meals were supplemented with different amounts of vinegar: 18, 23 and 28

grams. Each meal was separated by a week, and each was eaten in the

morning after an overnight fast. For two hours after each meal, subjects

rated their feeling of satiety while researchers took several blood

samples from each subject.

The results: Compared with the control meal, the highest level of

vinegar intake (between two and three tablespoons) was associated with

significantly lower blood sugar and insulin responses and an increased

satiety score.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Wow, it really does seem to be good stuff! I

looked around on scirus and got a lot

better results. Sounds definitely worth the

experiment.

Of course I'd also like to point out that kimchi probably

does the same thing. It's just harder to carry around!

*http://researchmag.asu.edu/stories/vinegar.html

*

ston used three types of subjects for her study. Some were diabetic,

some were insulin-resistant (pre-diabetic), and some were healthy

non-diabetics. She found that drinking vinegar helped reduce the usual

blood sugar spikes in the insulin-resistant subjects. It helped the

diabetics to a lesser extent.

In fact, drinking vinegar had the same effect as the leading diabetes

medicines, which can cost $800 to $1,800 per year. In comparison, a

year’s supply of vinegar would cost about $20.

If saving money doesn’t grab people’s attention, perhaps another result

will. ston discovered that her subjects were losing weight.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050101/food.asp

Her studies indicate that 2 tablespoons of vinegar before a

meal—perhaps, as part of a vinaigrette salad dressing—will dramatically

reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that

come after a meal. In people with type 2 diabetes, these spikes can be

excessive and can foster complications, including heart disease

In ston's initial study, about one-third of the 29 volunteers had

been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, another third had signs that they

could become diabetic, and the rest were healthy. The scientists gave

each participant the vinegar dose or a placebo to drink immediately

before they ate a high-carbohydrate breakfast consisting of orange

juice, a bagel, and butter. A week later, each volunteer came back for

the opposite premeal treatment and then the same breakfast. After both

meals, the researchers sampled blood from the participants.

[Guest guest]

Amazing. You think it's because of the acetic acid? Or more complex. You

think Kimchi will have similar effects? I can't abide vinegar (unless as a

vinegarette) but I love my fermented veggies!!

On 5/13/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

> Wow, it really does seem to be good stuff! I

> looked around on scirus and got a lot

> better results. Sounds definitely worth the

> experiment.

>

> Of course I'd also like to point out that kimchi probably

> does the same thing. It's just harder to carry around!

>

> *http://researchmag.asu.edu/stories/vinegar.html

> *

>

> ston used three types of subjects for her study. Some were diabetic,

> some were insulin-resistant (pre-diabetic), and some were healthy

> non-diabetics. She found that drinking vinegar helped reduce the usual

> blood sugar spikes in the insulin-resistant subjects. It helped the

> diabetics to a lesser extent.

>

> In fact, drinking vinegar had the same effect as the leading diabetes

> medicines, which can cost $800 to $1,800 per year. In comparison, a

> year's supply of vinegar would cost about $20.

>

> If saving money doesn't grab people's attention, perhaps another result

> will. ston discovered that her subjects were losing weight.

>

> http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050101/food.asp

>

> Her studies indicate that 2 tablespoons of vinegar before a

> meal—perhaps, as part of a vinaigrette salad dressing—will dramatically

> reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that

> come after a meal. In people with type 2 diabetes, these spikes can be

> excessive and can foster complications, including heart disease

>

> In ston's initial study, about one-third of the 29 volunteers had

> been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, another third had signs that they

> could become diabetic, and the rest were healthy. The scientists gave

> each participant the vinegar dose or a placebo to drink immediately

> before they ate a high-carbohydrate breakfast consisting of orange

> juice, a bagel, and butter. A week later, each volunteer came back for

> the opposite premeal treatment and then the same breakfast. After both

> meals, the researchers sampled blood from the participants.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If I'm reading this right, it also seems to increase metabolism, esp. as

you get older.

-- Heidi

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids==14974734

Vinegar is generally believed to be good for health. A mash consisting

of 35% ethanolic extract from bitter melon malt vinegar-water (8:50:42)

was subjected to further acetate fermentation and the resulting vinegar

was converted to dried vinegar powder by spray drying after adsorption

on dextrin, which was mixed with a commercial rat chow (CRF-1) in the

ratio of 1:19 so as to prepare an experimental diet. Male 12-wk old rats

of LETO and OLETF strains were fed this experimental diet in parallel

with CRF-1 (control) and examined for respiratory quotient (RQ) and

blood or plasma parameters associated with diabetes mellitus.

Administration of the experimental diet increased daily food intake as

well as daily energy expenditure in both strains. RQ significantly

lessened in the vinegar diet-fed group of LETO strain, which was

reflected not only in the increased energy consumption from fat but also

in the decreased energy consumption from carbohydrate, while no

significant difference was observed between both dietary groups of OLETF

strain in this respect. The profiles of diurnal energy expenditure in

both dietary groups of LETO strain exerted two peaks before lights-on

and lights-off. Nevertheless, there was a clear difference between both

dietary groups of OLETF strain: interestingly the reproduction of the

two peaks became conspicuous in the vinegar diet-fed group despite the

lack of such peaks in the control. As a consequence of blood or plasma

inspection, it turned out that there was no change in HbA1c but a

significant increase in plasma cholesterol in the vinegar diet-fed OLETF

rats. From these results, a long-term administration of bitter melon

malt vinegar can be expected to suppress a lowering of energy turnover

inherent with aging and thereby improve anorexia rather than to bring

about a preventive effect against the manifestation of NIDDM.

[Guest guest]

Bitter melon already has insulin-potentiating properties though, doesn't it?

I mean, they use it to treat diabetes...

On 5/13/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

> If I'm reading this right, it also seems to increase metabolism, esp. as

> you get older.

>

> -- Heidi

>

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Amazing. You think it's because of the acetic acid? Or more complex. You

> think Kimchi will have similar effects? I can't abide vinegar (unless as a

> vinegarette) but I love my fermented veggies!!

>

From my brief perusals, they seem to propose a few mechanisms:

1. Delayed stomach emptying

2. Interference with carbohydrate digestion

3. Increased metabolism

Doesn't sound like they know for sure though. Still studying

it. They do think any acid will work though. I've been playing

with testing my blood sugar, and kimchi DOES seem to have

the same effect. Vinegarette worked fine in the studies though,

in fact the researcher recommends that specifically. Vinegar

on a big salad before a meal is a great way to get good

vitamins, fill you up, AND it's quite traditional.

Some people have mentioned that they think one reason the

Asians can " get away " with such a high carb diet might be

the fermented vegies that are commonly eaten with the meal.

Also, another food that works similarly to vinegar is,

of all things, peanuts!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi, you're making my day. My kimchi and peanuts diet is starting....

I was actually considering moving to a 90% kimchi diet to help my bowel

troubles. But I think all the acid might mess up my GI lining.

Hmmm... fermented peanuts?

On 5/13/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> > Amazing. You think it's because of the acetic acid? Or more complex. You

> > think Kimchi will have similar effects? I can't abide vinegar (unless as

> a

> > vinegarette) but I love my fermented veggies!!

> >

> From my brief perusals, they seem to propose a few mechanisms:

>

> 1. Delayed stomach emptying

> 2. Interference with carbohydrate digestion

> 3. Increased metabolism

>

> Doesn't sound like they know for sure though. Still studying

> it. They do think any acid will work though. I've been playing

> with testing my blood sugar, and kimchi DOES seem to have

> the same effect. Vinegarette worked fine in the studies though,

> in fact the researcher recommends that specifically. Vinegar

> on a big salad before a meal is a great way to get good

> vitamins, fill you up, AND it's quite traditional.

>

> Some people have mentioned that they think one reason the

> Asians can " get away " with such a high carb diet might be

> the fermented vegies that are commonly eaten with the meal.

>

> Also, another food that works similarly to vinegar is,

> of all things, peanuts!

>

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if kefired apple cider at the point of sourness will do the same

thing? Or does it need to be all the way at vinegar?

Connie

Re: vinegar to lose weight?

Wow, it really does seem to be good stuff! I

looked around on scirus and got a lot

better results. Sounds definitely worth the

experiment.

Of course I'd also like to point out that kimchi probably

does the same thing. It's just harder to carry around!

*http://researchmag.asu.edu/stories/vinegar.html

*

ston used three types of subjects for her study. Some were diabetic,

some were insulin-resistant (pre-diabetic), and some were healthy

non-diabetics. She found that drinking vinegar helped reduce the usual

blood sugar spikes in the insulin-resistant subjects. It helped the

diabetics to a lesser extent.

In fact, drinking vinegar had the same effect as the leading diabetes

medicines, which can cost $800 to $1,800 per year. In comparison, a

year's supply of vinegar would cost about $20.

If saving money doesn't grab people's attention, perhaps another result

will. ston discovered that her subjects were losing weight.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050101/food.asp

Her studies indicate that 2 tablespoons of vinegar before a

meal-perhaps, as part of a vinaigrette salad dressing-will dramatically

reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that

come after a meal. In people with type 2 diabetes, these spikes can be

excessive and can foster complications, including heart disease

In ston's initial study, about one-third of the 29 volunteers had

been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, another third had signs that they

could become diabetic, and the rest were healthy. The scientists gave

each participant the vinegar dose or a placebo to drink immediately

before they ate a high-carbohydrate breakfast consisting of orange

juice, a bagel, and butter. A week later, each volunteer came back for

the opposite premeal treatment and then the same breakfast. After both

meals, the researchers sampled blood from the participants.

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Heidi, you're making my day. My kimchi and peanuts diet is starting....

> I was actually considering moving to a 90% kimchi diet to help my bowel

> troubles. But I think all the acid might mess up my GI lining.

> Hmmm... fermented peanuts?

I don't think huge amounts of kimchi are a good idea ...

too much lactic acid is hard on the body too. The thing

about diets is, you have to find something that works

long term and on the road and all that ... a habit of eating

something as an " appetizer " is fairly doable which is

what appeals to me about this. And if it can be

a variable between kimchi, vinegar water, a handful

of peanuts, or soup, or a salad with vinegrette ... and

it works ... hey, what's the downside?

For peanuts I was actually thinking about Thai dipping

sauce. Then you have peanuts, vinegar, honey, ginger, garlic ...

and it's incredibly yummy. I'm not sure if it's an

appetite suppressant though!

For bowel troubles though, the first thing I'd tackle is

the IgA stuff. About 90% of the bowel issues usually

turn out to be IgA reaction to gluten or casein. The

people that still have troubles after dropping those

usually respond to bentonite or probiotics or butyrate.

Kefir beer was the most helpful for me, along with

bentonite.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>[...]

>Hmmm... fermented peanuts?

Tempeh peanuts! (You'll need a pressure cooker - we tried it without,

and the tempeh was very crisp!)

--

Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia

" Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn "

- The Wee Book of Calvin

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Bitter melon already has insulin-potentiating properties though,

> doesn't it?

> I mean, they use it to treat diabetes...

Good point ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Do you know why? Do they have to be soaked/dehydrated? My experience

with nuts of any type is weight gain. I figured it was because of the

high oleic acid and the cloggy constitution. I become very constipated

on it.

On May 13, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Heidi wrote:

> Also, another food that works similarly to vinegar is,

> of all things, peanuts!

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

Do you know where to get bitter melon? Does eating it as is help or

does it have to be the base for the vinegar?

On May 13, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Bitter melon already has insulin-potentiating properties though,

> doesn't it?

> I mean, they use it to treat diabetes

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

bitter melon can be found at some indian and asian groceries. If you are in the

bay area, Berkeley Bowl always has some as well.

It is intensely bitter tasting.

Anyone have any good recipes? I only know one, stir fried with black bean

sauce

phil

Philip Gelb

shakuhachi player, teacher

vegetarian chef

http://philipgelb.com

Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

Do you know where to get bitter melon? Does eating it as is help or

does it have to be the base for the vinegar?

On May 13, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Bitter melon already has insulin-potentiating properties though,

> doesn't it?

> I mean, they use it to treat diabetes

Parashis

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zine:

artpagesonline.com

portfolio:

http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

I make a fresh tea vinegar (aka Kombucha aka Tea Kvass) and drink it often.

It keeps me vibrant and awake. It regularizes my appetite and seems to

strengthen my metabolism.

I'd definately reccomend it.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

No, I don't know why. They used plain ol' peanut butter or

roasted peanuts, I doubt they know what a soaked peanut IS!

Nuts make me gain weight too, so I tend to avoid them. Or

try to. What I finally did is put out a bowl of peanuts IN THE SHELL

so I can't eat them quickly. They are very, very full of calories,

and don't fill me up at all (unlike the vinegar). But, they are saying

it helps with the insulin curve, so go figure.

-- Heidi

Parashis wrote:

> Do you know why? Do they have to be soaked/dehydrated? My experience

> with nuts of any type is weight gain. I figured it was because of the

> high oleic acid and the cloggy constitution. I become very constipated

> on it.

[Guest guest]

Do you mean you dilute the Kvass then heat it? I drink kvass but after

awhile nothing works. Trying to get off bread. Eat only Spelt.

On May 14, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote:

> I make a fresh tea vinegar (aka Kombucha aka Tea Kvass) and drink it

> often.

> It keeps me vibrant and awake. It regularizes my appetite and seems to

> strengthen my metabolism.

>

> I'd definately reccomend it.

>

> -Lana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This isn't beet kvass - it is tea kvass/kombucha. Slightly different,

definately more drinkable on a regular basis (at least to me!) You brew it

with some tea, sugar, starter fluid and a SCOBY (Small Colony of Bacteria

and Yeast). Turns out very apple cider vinegary. Regular tea is just never

the same again... so bland! I think you can buy premade kombucha in some

health food stores.

Unfortunately the vinegar organism doesn't like heat, so you really can't

heat it if you want the benefits of the live vinegar. I cheat sometimes by

halfing it with warm water. Here is the group for kombucha:

kombucha tea/ Right now I don't

have a spare SCOBY, but someone there might.

-Lana

On 5/16/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

>

> Do you mean you dilute the Kvass then heat it? I drink kvass but after

> awhile nothing works. Trying to get off bread. Eat only Spelt.

>