wheatgrass juice and cancer

[Guest guest]

That's right! Only the rich can survive. How I wish I could put myself

under the care of a wholistic doctor and get the saliva, blood tests I

need and the best of the best. Jerry Burnetti survived really bad

cancer and one of the many things he did was donate his blood to a dry

cow for about 8 months and then collect her colostrum, which then had

plenty of antibodies against his particular cancer and anything else he

had. Not only is it now band here in the US, but in Germany, where

they've done it for years, is out of reach; I can't find where to

inquire for when I win the lottery.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> But who can afford all these supps? I sure can't... Hence the

> importance of

> good nutrition

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I missed it. Can you pass it on to me? Thanks.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Wow! Thanks for the Heidi Kimchi guide tip! What a treasure.

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What's a Rife machine?

On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> By the way, Bruce, I noticed you have a Rife machine! I want to build

> one. I

> don't suppose you know how? Do they actually work? I've always been a

> bit

> skeptical..

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The Weston Price stance on this is that the A to D ratio in quality COL

is good and that you won't od on A. A is not bad when in col. You can

take a lot.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> I don't think cod liver oil has near enough D or Omega 3 if you have

> real

> health problems. I know people who take like 10 000 to 20 000 IU's of

> vit D

> a day. Unless you are taking a LOT of cod liver oil...

>

> Trouble with cod liver oil, is you gotta make sure you get some that's

> not

> rancid. I also think that the Vit A to Vit D ration might be too high.

> Not

> sure though. But it is a good supplement, for sure!

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You could do it yourself.

Re: wheatgrass juice and cancer

That's right! Only the rich can survive. How I wish I could put myself

under the care of a wholistic doctor and get the saliva, blood tests I

need and the best of the best. Jerry Burnetti survived really bad

cancer and one of the many things he did was donate his blood to a dry

cow for about 8 months and then collect her colostrum, which then had

plenty of antibodies against his particular cancer and anything else he

had. Not only is it now band here in the US, but in Germany, where

they've done it for years, is out of reach; I can't find where to

inquire for when I win the lottery.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> But who can afford all these supps? I sure can't... Hence the

> importance of

> good nutrition

Parashis

artpages@...

zine:

artpagesonline.com

portfolio:

http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

Wow! Does that really work? Amazing idea! (the colostrum thing).

If you go to the microbial nutrition home page, click on " files " , you can

download Heidi's kimchi guide

A Rife machine is this weird device - like a zapper, but different - that

supposedly destroyes various parasites/microbes by some sort of

Electromagnetic resonsant frequency effect. I don't know too much about

them. Apparently they work though, and help with various ailments.

On 4/15/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

>

> That's right! Only the rich can survive. How I wish I could put myself

> under the care of a wholistic doctor and get the saliva, blood tests I

> need and the best of the best. Jerry Burnetti survived really bad

> cancer and one of the many things he did was donate his blood to a dry

> cow for about 8 months and then collect her colostrum, which then had

> plenty of antibodies against his particular cancer and anything else he

> had. Not only is it now band here in the US, but in Germany, where

> they've done it for years, is out of reach; I can't find where to

> inquire for when I win the lottery.

>

>

> On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

> > But who can afford all these supps? I sure can't... Hence the

> > importance of

> > good nutrition

>

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

> artpagesonline.com

>

> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

>That's kind of my feeling. Grass has never been a staple food for

>humans, to say the least! I think dogs eat it when they want

>to throw up. I DO think our ancestors ate a lot of leaves

>of various kinds ... if you look in the " wild foods " cookbooks

>a huge percent of the wild foods you can eat are

>green leaves.

>

>

Exactly. Technology is great, but any food stuff that requires the

energy intensive extraction process that wheat grass does can not be all

that great in my book. I mean, civilization type agriculture and

cooking methods are one thing, but try producing a shot of wheat grass

juice without electricity and motorized machinery and I'll buy you a drink.

> " Wheat " in the '70s had this big association with " health "

>though. Wheat germ oil in shampoo, wheat germ on

>your salads, whole wheat bread. Remember those days?

>

>

I do. I think those days were not as healthy as we suspected.

>I'm guessing yeah, it's the addiction talking: if it makes

>you feel good, it must be good for you. Interestingly

>the folks who first brought cigarettes and opium to

>the West felt similarly. Both of them DO

>have good medical uses; nicotine does have healing

>properties, and opium is a fine narcotic: I don't know

>what the surgery folks would do without morphine.

>

>

Don't forget about the good friend paregoric - that's opium in licorice

flavored alcohol for the uninitiated. I was a pharm tech in a former

life. Swore me off the synthetic stuff for good, I tell ya. Oh, and

along with the class one narcotic that is morphine, hospitals can also

prescribe cocaine under the same hospital conditions ... or could way

back in the 90s that is my former life. These things have a purpose and

place, though I don't think the same goes for the gluten grains. But I

could well be wrong. Maybe they have such a medicinal value, but get

abused and worshiped with overdosing.

>But I don't think the original researchers got that far.

>Just that smoking opium felt good so it must be healing.

>Similar claims were/are made for coke, absinthe,

>ethanol and every other feel-good drug.

>

>

Yeah, they call 'em pain killers dontcha know. ;-)

>Of course, healthy food DOES make you feel

>good too, which is why the poor brain gets so confused.

>

>

That's the trick. To find the balance which body, brain and spirit can

thrive one. I think movement figures in here also. We are not

sedentary beings. Brain and body need activity as well as food and

drugs <g>.

> I need to get into seaweed more. I love it, but it was making my dh

>

>itch at one point. THAT seems better now, maybe I can up my

>iodine intake!

>

What do you think caused that itching, the iodine? I just got some clo

- wrong season again - as young ds has dry bumpy skin chronically. His

eyes are much better for traditional omnivorous eating, but I thought we

should try the Blue Ice every other day to see if it helps with the

skin. Heck, come June, we may be inside a whole lot, so it shouldn't

hurt. We are all gf, cf is only needed for two of us. It is

interesting though to read about skin issues on health lists and they

seem to run the gamut of possibilities. Tricky things to scratch down.

We both use coconut oil topically and in food for dry skin. I slather

it in my hair too. Aveda's Brilliant Style Creme works as well, but I

have been out. Does dry skin run in your family?

Until next time,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>Yeah, it's bad. Personally, I doubt I have the whole mucoid plaque thing

>going. I'm only 26! But I ate poorly during my youth. Nevertheless, I think

>good bowel cleansing is good for bowel ecology. That Blessedherbs kit sure

>is expensive though! And I live in SA so I have to pay like another $50 for

>shipping...

>

>

It depends on your diet, age and your genes I guess. I expelled mucoid

plaque in January of this year during a five day juice fast and heavy

duty Taekwondo training. I think activity helps with detox as it

promotes circulation. I'll post the photo to my folder soon. It was

not too bad, but pretty nasty none the less. You don't need expensive

herbs and supplements imho. I did use an herbal colon formula at the

HTF, but did no enemas or colonics. Only the body can heal itself. Go

with nature whenever possible. You'll know it by the fact that it

doesn't come in a bottle.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>Most of these groups that I've been on mostly have to do with raw food diets,

including raw animal food. Nothing *evil* about that (unless you are planning on

gnawing on a live chicken or something).

>

>

My cat eats live birds. Does that make him evil?

An aside: trimming off unrelated text when replying to a post is a very

good thing to do ... not that it is evil to leave gobs of extra text and

footers in posts, mind you.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hmmm....

At what level of technology required for preparation of a food render it

unsuitable? My first wheatgrass juicer was a hand cranked job, much like an odd

looking hand meat grinder or a hand food mill that clamps to the table. Took a

little work, but no more so that grinding meat, coffee, or anything else by a

hand cranked machine. My greenpower juicer is certainly *easier*, but not

required.

I'm not sure how you can make a determination like that. And while grass

*leaves* have not been a staple that I know of, the seeds of grasses certainly

have been a staple.

I like wheatgrass and the *green* drinks, they make me feel good, but I don't

ascribe anything miraculous to them.

Re: wheatgrass juice and cancer

Heidi,

>That's kind of my feeling. Grass has never been a staple food for

>humans, to say the least! I think dogs eat it when they want

>to throw up. I DO think our ancestors ate a lot of leaves

>of various kinds ... if you look in the " wild foods " cookbooks

>a huge percent of the wild foods you can eat are

>green leaves.

>

>

Exactly. Technology is great, but any food stuff that requires the

energy intensive extraction process that wheat grass does can not be all

that great in my book. I mean, civilization type agriculture and

cooking methods are one thing, but try producing a shot of wheat grass

juice without electricity and motorized machinery and I'll buy you a drink.

> " Wheat " in the '70s had this big association with " health "

>though. Wheat germ oil in shampoo, wheat germ on

>your salads, whole wheat bread. Remember those days?

>

>

I do. I think those days were not as healthy as we suspected.

>I'm guessing yeah, it's the addiction talking: if it makes

>you feel good, it must be good for you. Interestingly

>the folks who first brought cigarettes and opium to

>the West felt similarly. Both of them DO

>have good medical uses; nicotine does have healing

>properties, and opium is a fine narcotic: I don't know

>what the surgery folks would do without morphine.

>

>

Don't forget about the good friend paregoric - that's opium in licorice

flavored alcohol for the uninitiated. I was a pharm tech in a former

life. Swore me off the synthetic stuff for good, I tell ya. Oh, and

along with the class one narcotic that is morphine, hospitals can also

prescribe cocaine under the same hospital conditions ... or could way

back in the 90s that is my former life. These things have a purpose and

place, though I don't think the same goes for the gluten grains. But I

could well be wrong. Maybe they have such a medicinal value, but get

abused and worshiped with overdosing.

>But I don't think the original researchers got that far.

>Just that smoking opium felt good so it must be healing.

>Similar claims were/are made for coke, absinthe,

>ethanol and every other feel-good drug.

>

>

Yeah, they call 'em pain killers dontcha know. ;-)

>Of course, healthy food DOES make you feel

>good too, which is why the poor brain gets so confused.

>

>

That's the trick. To find the balance which body, brain and spirit can

thrive one. I think movement figures in here also. We are not

sedentary beings. Brain and body need activity as well as food and

drugs <g>.

> I need to get into seaweed more. I love it, but it was making my dh

>

>itch at one point. THAT seems better now, maybe I can up my

>iodine intake!

>

What do you think caused that itching, the iodine? I just got some clo

- wrong season again - as young ds has dry bumpy skin chronically. His

eyes are much better for traditional omnivorous eating, but I thought we

should try the Blue Ice every other day to see if it helps with the

skin. Heck, come June, we may be inside a whole lot, so it shouldn't

hurt. We are all gf, cf is only needed for two of us. It is

interesting though to read about skin issues on health lists and they

seem to run the gamut of possibilities. Tricky things to scratch down.

We both use coconut oil topically and in food for dry skin. I slather

it in my hair too. Aveda's Brilliant Style Creme works as well, but I

have been out. Does dry skin run in your family?

Until next time,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

I assumed the poster was talking about human beings and not cats. If you ate

your cat alive, whould you consider that evil?

(wondering how this got so very far off topic)

Re: wheatgrass juice and cancer

>Most of these groups that I've been on mostly have to do with raw food diets,

including raw animal food. Nothing *evil* about that (unless you are planning on

gnawing on a live chicken or something).

>

>

My cat eats live birds. Does that make him evil?

An aside: trimming off unrelated text when replying to a post is a very

good thing to do ... not that it is evil to leave gobs of extra text and

footers in posts, mind you.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna,

Our Kefir King is just having a hard time with Vinny's off the wall sense of

humor, which went beyond meer raw animal food.

Tonio

>Most of these groups that I've been on mostly have to do with raw food diets,

including raw animal food. Nothing *evil* about that (unless you are planning on

gnawing on a live chicken or something).

>

>

My cat eats live birds. Does that make him evil?

An aside: trimming off unrelated text when replying to a post is a very

good thing to do ... not that it is evil to leave gobs of extra text and

footers in posts, mind you.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Bite your tongue!

Re: wheatgrass juice and cancer

Hi Deanna,

Our Kefir King is just having a hard time with Vinny's off the wall sense of

humor, which went beyond meer raw animal food.

Tonio

>Most of these groups that I've been on mostly have to do with raw food

diets, including raw animal food. Nothing *evil* about that (unless you are

planning on gnawing on a live chicken or something).

>

>

My cat eats live birds. Does that make him evil?

An aside: trimming off unrelated text when replying to a post is a very

good thing to do ... not that it is evil to leave gobs of extra text and

footers in posts, mind you.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna wrote:

>Exactly. Technology is great, but any food stuff that requires the

>energy intensive extraction process that wheat grass does can not be all

>that great in my book. I mean, civilization type agriculture and

>cooking methods are one thing, but try producing a shot of wheat grass

>juice without electricity and motorized machinery and I'll buy you a

drink.

Heh heh. Yeah, I'll get out my grinding stone and start grinding up

some grass.

Actually though, grains are amazingly hard to handle

also. If you actually have to grind your grains on

a stone, I'd guess you either wouldn't have much

spare time or you'd eat a lot less grain. Tubers are SOOOO

much easier. Which makes you wonder why people

would switch to grains. Has to be either addiction (beer),

slaves, or climate.

Of course you don't have to grind grains to make

porridge, either, and porridge seems a lot more

common than bread until fairly recently.

>

> Don't forget about the good friend paregoric - that's opium in licorice

> flavored alcohol for the uninitiated. I was a pharm tech in a former

> life. Swore me off the synthetic stuff for good, I tell ya. Oh, and

> along with the class one narcotic that is morphine, hospitals can also

> prescribe cocaine under the same hospital conditions ... or could way

> back in the 90s that is my former life. These things have a purpose and

> place, though I don't think the same goes for the gluten grains.

Yeah, I can't think of a good use for gluten grains myself, esp. as they

would not be reliable as a drug (they really effect only part

of the population). Also it's likely that if they aren't taken

daily, they would make a lot of people rather ill at first.

Like the slaves that were brought over ... some people are

thinking now that much of the death of new slaves, from diarrhea,

wasn't just the shipboard conditions but the new gluten food (they

were fed mostly bread, as were the sailors).

>

> >

> What do you think caused that itching, the iodine?

Iodine activates the " old " IgA trapped in the skin. The IgA stays there

a long time, and as long as it is there, iodine will make you itch. I tried

some iodine on my arm though, straight, and it didn't itch or raise

bumps. So maybe it's gone now, or at least mostly!

> I just got some clo

> - wrong season again - as young ds has dry bumpy skin chronically. His

> eyes are much better for traditional omnivorous eating, but I thought we

> should try the Blue Ice every other day to see if it helps with the

> skin. Heck, come June, we may be inside a whole lot, so it shouldn't

> hurt. We are all gf, cf is only needed for two of us. It is

> interesting though to read about skin issues on health lists and they

> seem to run the gamut of possibilities. Tricky things to scratch down.

> We both use coconut oil topically and in food for dry skin. I slather

> it in my hair too. Aveda's Brilliant Style Creme works as well, but I

> have been out. Does dry skin run in your family?

My skin used to be chronically dry, but I never asked the rest of

my family. It's fine now though. I use handcream once in awhile.

" Working Hands "

is by far the best, tho it might be hard to find (we get it at the

hardware store).