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I come from the Weston A. Price, traditional diet camp (Price studied primitive

cultures to see how they nourished them, and which diets correlated to good

healthy constitutions, good bone structure and lack of dental caries, etc.)

Though I've read research that shows microwaved food is nutritionally

compromised, I've read no such research for pressure cookers. I just choose to

follow a more traditional way of cooking. Does anyone else know more about

this?

Vicki

craicker@... wrote: Vicki, as a newbie I am also in the same process,

however I am unaware of the

health compromises of a pressure cooker. Perhaps you and other members will

clarify that for me. Thanks. CR

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Vicki Mayes wrote:

>I come from the Weston A. Price, traditional diet camp (Price studied primitive

cultures to see how they nourished them, and which diets correlated to good

healthy constitutions, good bone structure and lack of dental caries, etc.)

Though I've read research that shows microwaved food is nutritionally

compromised, I've read no such research for pressure cookers. I just choose to

follow a more traditional way of cooking. Does anyone else know more about

this?

>Vicki

>

>

>

>

I know that the indigenous people in Hawaii use pit cooking, which has

been described as a low tech pressure cooker, so I continue to use mine

with abandon. :)

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And the stone pots with lids used by Koreans for rice dishes and other

things are very heavy and the lids are quite heavy as well.

Connie

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Vicki Mayes wrote:

>I come from the Weston A. Price, traditional diet camp (Price studied

primitive cultures to see how they nourished them, and which diets

correlated to good healthy constitutions, good bone structure and lack of

dental caries, etc.) Though I've read research that shows microwaved food

is nutritionally compromised, I've read no such research for pressure

cookers. I just choose to follow a more traditional way of cooking. Does

anyone else know more about this?

>Vicki

>

>

>

>

I know that the indigenous people in Hawaii use pit cooking, which has

been described as a low tech pressure cooker, so I continue to use mine

with abandon. :)

--s

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Regarding pressure cookers and nutritional benefits/drawbacks from the use

of them, I would guess that since higher/faster cooking temps are the main

feature of these devices, that some vitamins, nutrients and/or enzymes may

be de-natured or rendered less potent than foods cooked with conventional

methods.

Mind, that this is only a guess.. I have no sources, but we all know that

cooking in general can change food in various ways.

I don't know the details regarding vitamin/mineral temperature thresholds

and what happens to them, but I do know that most enzymes are destroyed at

temps above 170F and that's lower than the boiling temp of H2O at normal

atmospheric pressure..so those are done for no matter how you cook it.

OTOH small amounts of some things may be preserved that would otherwise boil

off in a conventional open pot, but I would suspect that this would be

minimal and mostly comprised of aromatics and volatile essential oils..

I don't see why pressure cooking could be that bad, possibly just not as

good.. unless there is something I'm missing.

One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more economical

in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it will

always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

No Pressure, (yeah punny)

Beau

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Beau Barrett wrote:

>...

>One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more economical

>in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it will

>always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

>somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

Maybe not so negligible if trying to cook beans in a blackout with just

a little butane stove.

Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

haul sticks for cooking fuel).

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Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia

" There is more to life than simply increasing its speed. " - Mahatma Gandhi

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So true, we are rather spoiled with our piped in natural gas and

electricity..How dare I say " negligible " ..I only added that word because I

thought I would be scoffed at for even bringing up aspect of pressure

cooking efficiency , but when in a remote location trying to get the most

from what you've got, then having the option of cutting your cooking time in

half is rather valuable.

Thanks for adding to this Ross,

Take Care,

Beau

On 3/15/06, Ross McKay <rosko@...> wrote:

>

> Beau Barrett wrote:

>

> >...

> >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more

> economical

> >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it

> will

> >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

> >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

>

> Maybe not so negligible if trying to cook beans in a blackout with just

> a little butane stove.

>

> Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> haul sticks for cooking fuel).

> --

> Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia

> " There is more to life than simply increasing its speed. " - Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

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Beau Barrett wrote:

> I don't know the details regarding vitamin/mineral temperature thresholds

>and what happens to them, but I do know that most enzymes are destroyed at

>temps above 170F and that's lower than the boiling temp of H2O at normal

>atmospheric pressure..so those are done for no matter how you cook it.

>

>

I'd been tiptoeing with pressure cooking because I'd wanted to preserve

the enzymes, but when someone else pointed out the 170 temperature, I

realized that I couldn't preserve them no matter how I cooked the items

in question. I threw caution to the winds and started using it for just

about everything.....soup, rice, and so on.

>OTOH small amounts of some things may be preserved that would otherwise boil

>off in a conventional open pot, but I would suspect that this would be

>minimal and mostly comprised of aromatics and volatile essential oils..

>I don't see why pressure cooking could be that bad, possibly just not as

>good.. unless there is something I'm missing.

>

>

The harum-scarum that came up on another list was the production of

MSG. Most of the links posted were sites discussing the extreme hazards

of MSG, but upon closer examination, all of the MSG in question referred

to refined MSG as a food additive and not naturally occurring MSG. Of

course, for the MSG sensitive, it is a distinction without a difference;

however, given that naturally occurring MSG is *one* thing our family

doesn't have to avoid, I've yet to see anything else that would convince

me that a pressure cooker is " dangerous. "

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Macrobiotics pros & cons

http://www.alchemycalpages.com/prbr.html

http://www.macrodiet.com/Contributors/Kulungian-PressCook.shtml

http://www.kuhnrikon.com/tips/chef/chef.php3?id=5

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From: Beau Barrett

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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Pressure Cookers

Regarding pressure cookers and nutritional benefits/drawbacks from the use

of them, I would guess that since higher/faster cooking temps are the main

feature of these devices, that some vitamins, nutrients and/or enzymes may

be de-natured or rendered less potent than foods cooked with conventional

methods.

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> Vicki Mayes wrote:

>

> >I come from the Weston A. Price, traditional diet camp (Price studied

> primitive cultures to see how they nourished them, and which diets

> correlated to good healthy constitutions, good bone structure and lack

> of dental caries, etc.) Though I've read research that shows microwaved

> food is nutritionally compromised, I've read no such research for

> pressure cookers. I just choose to follow a more traditional way of

> cooking. Does anyone else know more about this?

> >Vicki

I think ours encourages us to eat a lot more healthy foods!

Which has got to be good!

I mean, it makes a GREAT bone broth in 30 minutes flat.

And the more broth the better, in my book. Also I cook

whole fish and then eat the fish with the bones, which

I couldn't otherwise. I love canned fish because they

have the bones, but they are pricey for what you get (and

of course, the cans ARE pressure cooked).

There was some argument about dangers etc. but my own

conclusions is that there is LESS damage to the

food. Based on the fact that, if I cook a broth for

a long time on my stove, parts of the broth

burn (you can taste the burned taste). So even though

the overall temp might be lower, the bottom

gets too hot and burns.

The temps in a pressure cooker are like 250 degrees,

vs. 210 on the stovetop. Both are lower than

baked goods and a LOT lower than BBQ.

And the point about electricity savings isn't

minimal. To cook a really marvelous pot of

beans is 6 minutes, vs. an hour or more

otherwise (soaking beans doesn't make

them cook all that much faster either: I

DO soak them regardless).

-- Heidi

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Also, FWIW:

MOST vegies lose their goodness when heated. IMO the

best vegies are lightly fermented greens, which I try

to have with every meal. I love them! Truly raw greens

are hard for most people to digest, tho I eat those too.

Don't cook vegies in a pressure cooker, except to add

flavor to a broth or soup. They will get mushy, but they

always get mushy in a broth. Who cares, they are there for

flavor!

Grains, like rice, need heat to cook. They are mostly

low in nutrients anyway. Mostly they are there

for starch/calories/fiber. Beans I'm not sure

about, but in any case, the lectins in them NEED

to be cooked or they are slightly toxic.

When cooking bones/cartilage (broth) ... you also

need heat to break down the cartilage and bones.

Meat you can cook lightly, and a rare steak

is a wonderful thing! But to get the goodness

from bones, if you are human, you need heat.

Tigers and wolves can just chew the bones, I think,

but humans don't.

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Heidi,

Could you elaborate on how you do the 'lightly

ferminted greens'?

TIA,

DeAnn

--- Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

> Also, FWIW:

>

> MOST vegies lose their goodness when heated. IMO the

>

> best vegies are lightly fermented greens, which I

> try

> to have with every meal. I love them! Truly raw

> greens

> are hard for most people to digest, tho I eat those

> too.

> Don't cook vegies in a pressure cooker, except to

> add

> flavor to a broth or soup. They will get mushy, but

> they

> always get mushy in a broth. Who cares, they are

> there for

> flavor!

>

> Grains, like rice, need heat to cook. They are

> mostly

> low in nutrients anyway. Mostly they are there

> for starch/calories/fiber. Beans I'm not sure

> about, but in any case, the lectins in them NEED

> to be cooked or they are slightly toxic.

>

> When cooking bones/cartilage (broth) ... you also

> need heat to break down the cartilage and bones.

> Meat you can cook lightly, and a rare steak

> is a wonderful thing! But to get the goodness

> from bones, if you are human, you need heat.

> Tigers and wolves can just chew the bones, I think,

> but humans don't.

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

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DeAnn Hartman wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> Could you elaborate on how you do the 'lightly

> ferminted greens'?

>

> TIA,

>

> DeAnn

I think it was posted on GFCFNN, but basically its too simple:

1. Chop up some greens. (mine are about 1/4 " square, smaller

than my usual kimchi, but this is for convenience, you can use

any size). Anything green will do, and you can add some red

stuff if you want (tomatoes, peppers).

2. Put them in a sturdy bowl. Add a little salt. Pound

the daylights out of them (I use a heavy wood pestle-thingie

I got way back when, the sort of thing you use for

tomato sauce extraction, I think. But a wine bottle works).

This is a great way to keep the kiddos occupied. They

love pounding things.

Add a little vinegar if you want. (not really required, but

it depends on if you are anti-salt. I add a fair bit

of salt, because I like salt).

3. Put the greens in a mason jar with a plastic lid. Press

them down (at this point I use my Dunkers, but you don't

actually NEED them).

4. Let them sit for a day or two. (to taste: the longer

they sit, the more sour they get). Then put them in

the fridge. Eat as desired.

I do this with kale, collards, turnips, or any of those

really green leafy things they sell. I used to cook them,

but I like the taste of these better. Plus, it's faster

than cooking. I just open the jar, take out a cup or so

of greens, and pile them on my dinner plate.

When I eat them I often sprinkle on a little olive oil

and/or balsamic vinegar, which turns them into " antipasto "

for most tastes. Most people, amazingly, really LIKE them.

-- Heidi

BTW, I know someone is going to ask about Dunkers. I have

a few extra from the last batch, am willing to send them

to the first few who ask (privately). They are basically

certified non-toxic porceline weights for holding down vegies

while they ferment. Someday I'll sell them on a website,

but meanwhile, Real Life Interveneth.

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On 3/16/06, Ross McKay <rosko@...> wrote:

> Beau Barrett wrote:

>

> >...

> >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more economical

> >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it will

> >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

> >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

<snip>

> Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> haul sticks for cooking fuel).

Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

tender in a normal pot.

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Oh, you can do rice in a pressure cooker? I never tried that, any special

instructions.

Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: On 3/16/06, Ross McKay

<rosko@...> wrote:

> Beau Barrett wrote:

>

> >...

> >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more economical

> >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it will

> >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

> >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

<snip>

> Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> haul sticks for cooking fuel).

Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

tender in a normal pot.

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The easy way to do rice is twice the amount of water as rice (example 1 cup

rice and 2 cups water) in a pan. Bring to a boil, cover tightly and

immediately remove from the heat. Let stand roughly 20 minutes and you will

get excellent rice every time. Been doing it that way for probably 20 years

now. (not minute or other processed rices but regular, out of the bag rice)

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

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Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.

Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:59 AM

nutrition

Subject: Re: Re: Pressure Cookers

Oh, you can do rice in a pressure cooker? I never tried that, any special

instructions.

Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: On 3/16/06, Ross McKay

<rosko@...> wrote:

> Beau Barrett wrote:

>

> >...

> >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more

economical

> >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it

will

> >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this is

> >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

<snip>

> Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> haul sticks for cooking fuel).

Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

tender in a normal pot.

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Note, that Brown Rice (better cause it's a whole grain) requires just a tad

more water. It's really good if you toast it before you cook it..more

digestable too.

Beau

On 3/17/06, Bruce Guilmette PhD <bruce@...> wrote:

> The easy way to do rice is twice the amount of water as rice (example 1

> cup

> rice and 2 cups water) in a pan. Bring to a boil, cover tightly and

> immediately remove from the heat. Let stand roughly 20 minutes and you

> will

> get excellent rice every time. Been doing it that way for probably 20

> years

> now. (not minute or other processed rices but regular, out of the bag

> rice)

>

>

>

> Bruce Guilmette, PhD

>

> Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

>

> <http://survivecancer.net> Http://survivecancer.net

>

> Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about

> itself.

> Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: nutrition

> [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Mrs.Audrey J.

> Chinn

> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:59 AM

> nutrition

> Subject: Re: Re: Pressure Cookers

>

>

>

> Oh, you can do rice in a pressure cooker? I never tried that, any special

> instructions.

>

> Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: On 3/16/06, Ross McKay

> <rosko@...> wrote:

> > Beau Barrett wrote:

> >

> > >...

> > >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more

> economical

> > >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it

> will

> > >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this

> is

> > >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

> <snip>

> > Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> > because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> > haul sticks for cooking fuel).

>

> Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

> tender in a normal pot.

>

>

>

>

>

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I actually like both white & brown rice with a bit less water than the usual 1:2

ratio...often 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 cup of water for a cup of either kind of rice. I

like my final rice dry and so if the water isn't all gone when the cooking time

is done, I open the pot and cook with the lid off until it is. Usually 30 min

for white and 50 min for brown, depending on variety and on my stove, I cook on

the lowest heat setting.

Obviously lots of variations here!

The toasting is good too, as you mention. Also, the addition of favorite spices

(i.e. whole cardamom pods, etc) before cooking is good, as well as cooking in

thin broth.

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>

>

>

> Oh, you can do rice in a pressure cooker? I never tried that, any special

> instructions.

>

> Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: On 3/16/06, Ross McKay

> <rosko@...> wrote:

> > Beau Barrett wrote:

> >

> > >...

> > >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more

> economical

> > >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it

> will

> > >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this

> is

> > >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

> <snip>

> > Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> > because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> > haul sticks for cooking fuel).

>

> Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

> tender in a normal pot.

>

>

>

>

>

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yes, but I also read that brown is not so digestable, and could be mixed with

white.

Beau Barrett <Beau.Barrett@...> wrote: Note, that Brown Rice (better

cause it's a whole grain) requires just a tad

more water. It's really good if you toast it before you cook it..more

digestable too.

Beau

On 3/17/06, Bruce Guilmette PhD <bruce@...> wrote:

> The easy way to do rice is twice the amount of water as rice (example 1

> cup

> rice and 2 cups water) in a pan. Bring to a boil, cover tightly and

> immediately remove from the heat. Let stand roughly 20 minutes and you

> will

> get excellent rice every time. Been doing it that way for probably 20

> years

> now. (not minute or other processed rices but regular, out of the bag

> rice)

>

>

>

> Bruce Guilmette, PhD

>

> Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

>

> <http://survivecancer.net> Http://survivecancer.net

>

> Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about

> itself.

> Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: nutrition

> [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Mrs.Audrey J.

> Chinn

> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:59 AM

> nutrition

> Subject: Re: Re: Pressure Cookers

>

>

>

> Oh, you can do rice in a pressure cooker? I never tried that, any special

> instructions.

>

> Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: On 3/16/06, Ross McKay

> <rosko@...> wrote:

> > Beau Barrett wrote:

> >

> > >...

> > >One thing that IS good about pressure cooking is that it is more

> economical

> > >in regards to fuel, whether it is a gas or electric or wood stove, it

> will

> > >always cook faster than an open or loosely covered pot, but again this

> is

> > >somewhat negligable, just a poit I thought I'd mention.

> <snip>

> > Certainly, pressure cookers are commonly used now in places like Nepal,

> > because they save so much on cooking fuel (in a place where many still

> > haul sticks for cooking fuel).

>

> Especially at any decent altitude, where rice takes forever to get

> tender in a normal pot.

>

>

>

>

>

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Only if you don't dry roast and/or soak and/or cook it properly.

It requires a bit more water.

White rice is *mostly* worthless refined carbohydrate..

Beau

On 3/20/06, Mrs.Audrey J. Chinn <Onexpresso@...> wrote:

>

> yes, but I also read that brown is not so digestable, and could be mixed

> with white.

>

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Should have wrote sooner asking for Dunkers.

Audrey

Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

DeAnn Hartman wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> Could you elaborate on how you do the 'lightly

> ferminted greens'?

>

> TIA,

>

> DeAnn

I think it was posted on GFCFNN, but basically its too simple:

1. Chop up some greens. (mine are about 1/4 " square, smaller

than my usual kimchi, but this is for convenience, you can use

any size). Anything green will do, and you can add some red

stuff if you want (tomatoes, peppers).

2. Put them in a sturdy bowl. Add a little salt. Pound

the daylights out of them (I use a heavy wood pestle-thingie

I got way back when, the sort of thing you use for

tomato sauce extraction, I think. But a wine bottle works).

This is a great way to keep the kiddos occupied. They

love pounding things.

Add a little vinegar if you want. (not really required, but

it depends on if you are anti-salt. I add a fair bit

of salt, because I like salt).

3. Put the greens in a mason jar with a plastic lid. Press

them down (at this point I use my Dunkers, but you don't

actually NEED them).

4. Let them sit for a day or two. (to taste: the longer

they sit, the more sour they get). Then put them in

the fridge. Eat as desired.

I do this with kale, collards, turnips, or any of those

really green leafy things they sell. I used to cook them,

but I like the taste of these better. Plus, it's faster

than cooking. I just open the jar, take out a cup or so

of greens, and pile them on my dinner plate.

When I eat them I often sprinkle on a little olive oil

and/or balsamic vinegar, which turns them into " antipasto "

for most tastes. Most people, amazingly, really LIKE them.

-- Heidi

BTW, I know someone is going to ask about Dunkers. I have

a few extra from the last batch, am willing to send them

to the first few who ask (privately). They are basically

certified non-toxic porceline weights for holding down vegies

while they ferment. Someday I'll sell them on a website,

but meanwhile, Real Life Interveneth.

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I make what we called pickled eggs for my family, but I suppose they are really

marindaed. I used to heat the old pickle juice and drop in the eggs into the jar

maybe with some pickling spice and leave in frig a few days, before they ate.

they love them. But I am concerned if doing right> or is actualy a better/safer

way to do it. I read you say that is really more like a marinade. Please send me

any suggestions on correcting or making. Thank you

Audrey/Onexpresso

Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

DeAnn Hartman wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> Could you elaborate on how you do the 'lightly

> ferminted greens'?

>

> TIA,

>

> DeAnn

I think it was posted on GFCFNN, but basically its too simple:

1. Chop up some greens. (mine are about 1/4 " square, smaller

than my usual kimchi, but this is for convenience, you can use

any size). Anything green will do, and you can add some red

stuff if you want (tomatoes, peppers).

2. Put them in a sturdy bowl. Add a little salt. Pound

the daylights out of them (I use a heavy wood pestle-thingie

I got way back when, the sort of thing you use for

tomato sauce extraction, I think. But a wine bottle works).

This is a great way to keep the kiddos occupied. They

love pounding things.

Add a little vinegar if you want. (not really required, but

it depends on if you are anti-salt. I add a fair bit

of salt, because I like salt).

3. Put the greens in a mason jar with a plastic lid. Press

them down (at this point I use my Dunkers, but you don't

actually NEED them).

4. Let them sit for a day or two. (to taste: the longer

they sit, the more sour they get). Then put them in

the fridge. Eat as desired.

I do this with kale, collards, turnips, or any of those

really green leafy things they sell. I used to cook them,

but I like the taste of these better. Plus, it's faster

than cooking. I just open the jar, take out a cup or so

of greens, and pile them on my dinner plate.

When I eat them I often sprinkle on a little olive oil

and/or balsamic vinegar, which turns them into " antipasto "

for most tastes. Most people, amazingly, really LIKE them.

-- Heidi

BTW, I know someone is going to ask about Dunkers. I have

a few extra from the last batch, am willing to send them

to the first few who ask (privately). They are basically

certified non-toxic porceline weights for holding down vegies

while they ferment. Someday I'll sell them on a website,

but meanwhile, Real Life Interveneth.

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P.S. They were boiled eggs. Audrey

Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

DeAnn Hartman wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> Could you elaborate on how you do the 'lightly

> ferminted greens'?

>

> TIA,

>

> DeAnn

I think it was posted on GFCFNN, but basically its too simple:

1. Chop up some greens. (mine are about 1/4 " square, smaller

than my usual kimchi, but this is for convenience, you can use

any size). Anything green will do, and you can add some red

stuff if you want (tomatoes, peppers).

2. Put them in a sturdy bowl. Add a little salt. Pound

the daylights out of them (I use a heavy wood pestle-thingie

I got way back when, the sort of thing you use for

tomato sauce extraction, I think. But a wine bottle works).

This is a great way to keep the kiddos occupied. They

love pounding things.

Add a little vinegar if you want. (not really required, but

it depends on if you are anti-salt. I add a fair bit

of salt, because I like salt).

3. Put the greens in a mason jar with a plastic lid. Press

them down (at this point I use my Dunkers, but you don't

actually NEED them).

4. Let them sit for a day or two. (to taste: the longer

they sit, the more sour they get). Then put them in

the fridge. Eat as desired.

I do this with kale, collards, turnips, or any of those

really green leafy things they sell. I used to cook them,

but I like the taste of these better. Plus, it's faster

than cooking. I just open the jar, take out a cup or so

of greens, and pile them on my dinner plate.

When I eat them I often sprinkle on a little olive oil

and/or balsamic vinegar, which turns them into " antipasto "

for most tastes. Most people, amazingly, really LIKE them.

-- Heidi

BTW, I know someone is going to ask about Dunkers. I have

a few extra from the last batch, am willing to send them

to the first few who ask (privately). They are basically

certified non-toxic porceline weights for holding down vegies

while they ferment. Someday I'll sell them on a website,

but meanwhile, Real Life Interveneth.

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OT.

Read about Pit Cooking one time. Want to try it someday when the kids are

grown so they can help. Audrey

Connie Hampton <connie@...> wrote:

And the stone pots with lids used by Koreans for rice dishes and other

things are very heavy and the lids are quite heavy as well.

Connie

Re: Re: Pressure Cookers

Vicki Mayes wrote:

>I come from the Weston A. Price, traditional diet camp (Price studied

primitive cultures to see how they nourished them, and which diets

correlated to good healthy constitutions, good bone structure and lack of

dental caries, etc.) Though I've read research that shows microwaved food

is nutritionally compromised, I've read no such research for pressure

cookers. I just choose to follow a more traditional way of cooking. Does

anyone else know more about this?

>Vicki

>

>

>

>

I know that the indigenous people in Hawaii use pit cooking, which has

been described as a low tech pressure cooker, so I continue to use mine

with abandon. :)

--s

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I'm not a purist myself. Some things I ferment, some things

I marinate! Ginger and garlic seem to be good candidates for

marinating. Eggs are too, I think. I'd be a littly iffy

myself about fermenting them ... my guess is they would turn

into mush. Also, low-carb ferments can be dangerous (botulism)

if you are not careful.

Anyway, vinegar IS a fermented product. So think of it

as a two-step ferment.

-- Heidi

Mrs.Audrey J. Chinn wrote:

> I make what we called pickled eggs for my family, but I suppose they are

> really marindaed. I used to heat the old pickle juice and drop in the

> eggs into the jar maybe with some pickling spice and leave in frig a few

> days, before they ate. they love them. But I am concerned if doing

> right> or is actualy a better/safer way to do it. I read you say that is

> really more like a marinade. Please send me any suggestions on

> correcting or making. Thank you

> Audrey/Onexpresso

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