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Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

>

> Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

>

>Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

>pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

>1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

>cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

>minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

>hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean

>between thumb and fingers to check for

>tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break.

>Broken beans reduce the fermentation.

>

>Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso

>soup. Place one cup of the hot soybeans in each

>one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the

>covers and place all the filled containers in a

>large double paper bag (supermarket). Close up

>the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven.

>Oven should be around 98° -104° Fahrenheit or

>the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn

>the oven any higher. (Do not use oven for any

>other purpose while making natto) Leave the

>soybeans in oven for 3 nights. Remove after the

>3rd night ... should be ready.

>

>If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is

>necessary to stack the containers on top of one

>another. After second night switch the bottom to

>the top and vice versa. Let them stay another

>full day.

>

>Open the container covers and let natto cool.

>Depending on your oven and the season, your

>natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in

>the smell, remove all natto from containers and

>spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

>smell will evaporate and the good smell will

>return.

>

>Finished product has a dark tan color and the

>beans retain shape but are covered by stringy

>substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2

>months and refrigerated for about one week

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Hi,

I live in a rural area and would have to drive hours to find someplace to buy

prepared natto. Does anyone know of a place to mail order natto on-line?

Allan Balliett <igg@...> wrote:

Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

>

> Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

>

>Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

>pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

>1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

>cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

>minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

>hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean

>between thumb and fingers to check for

>tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break.

>Broken beans reduce the fermentation.

>

>Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso

>soup. Place one cup of the hot soybeans in each

>one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the

>covers and place all the filled containers in a

>large double paper bag (supermarket). Close up

>the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven.

>Oven should be around 98° -104° Fahrenheit or

>the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn

>the oven any higher. (Do not use oven for any

>other purpose while making natto) Leave the

>soybeans in oven for 3 nights. Remove after the

>3rd night ... should be ready.

>

>If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is

>necessary to stack the containers on top of one

>another. After second night switch the bottom to

>the top and vice versa. Let them stay another

>full day.

>

>Open the container covers and let natto cool.

>Depending on your oven and the season, your

>natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in

>the smell, remove all natto from containers and

>spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

>smell will evaporate and the good smell will

>return.

>

>Finished product has a dark tan color and the

>beans retain shape but are covered by stringy

>substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2

>months and refrigerated for about one week

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> Fig,

>

> I am the owner of the Kimchi group and I only remember members asking

> clarifying questions. No one (to my recollection) was disrespectful towards

> you

>

> Staci

> ######################################################################

> fig227 <fig227@...> wrote:

>

> I posted this to the kimchi group but all I got was disrespect (grin)

I think Fig was making a sly joke because natto is so... what's the

word... " unique " .... Most people like or don't mind kimchi, but

natto splits the human race into two very clear-cut halves... When I

first tried it many years ago at a Japanese restaurant, I wasn't just

disgusted; I was ready to become an anti-natto activist with bumper

stickers and t-shirts, and lobby congress to rid our country of this

menace to all the values we hold dear, etc... Something like that...

(just joking of course).... But definitely the most offensive food

experience I've ever had.... That was before I got into NT and all

this stuff... Now I even eat bugs and raw organs meats...

LOL

Actually, this reminds me of something I found recently, a site that

sells " got natto? " and " I love natto " t-shirts, etc. Some of their

other " messages " are a little sketchy (typical soy/vegetarian kind of

thing) though.

http://www.rotemdesignstudio.com/cgi-bin/store/cpshop.cgi/natto

I have to admit it's very tempting to wear a " got natto? " t-shirt!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

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Hello,

I remember your post, and I don't believe that anyone meant any disrespect. I

don't recall if you mentioned using the storebought natto for innoculant the

first time and it made some folks ask questions.

I do think that when there is the option of using a pure starter rather than

some of a previous batch or from the store, it is more appealing and can tend to

have better results.But we use what is convenient at the time right?

I'm sure we all trust that your method works. Thanks for getting in on this

natto action.

I make natto in rectangular glass dish. I use bacillus natto spores that I

ordered from www.gemcultures.com

I have reserched all of the natto recipes I could find and the main guidelines

seem to be:

1-Soaked and well cooked beans. Some say to pressure steam them, some say to

simmer them 6 hrs or more. Warnings of soybean hulls clogging the vent of a

pressure cooker, pressure boiling is not recommended.

2-Some form of bacillus natto (rice straw, pure spores, storebought natto

package, previous batch)

3-Covered container (I put foil over my dish and poke holes in it).

3-Incubation @ 104F for 8-24 hrs, depending on how strong you like it, stronger

is healthier.

4-Some say to age it in the refrigerator for 1 week. It seems to become more

stringy and the enzymes break down the protiens further into amino acids.

5- Be as clean as possible when preparing.

I don't have an oven so I have converted my coleman camping cooler into an

incubator.

I used an electric seedling warming mat connected to a dimmer switch. I use a

rack that holds the food above the mat Then I have a digital indoor/outdoor

thermometer that has a remote sensor connected to a wire, I place the sensor at

the level of the food.

It would be nice if there was a thermostat, because I usually have to adjust it

during the cold and hot parts of the day.

NATTO NATTO

Beau B.

natto making

I posted this to the kimchi group but all I got was disrespect (grin)

1-The frozen natto in oriental stores is a good enough starter. You can add

some to the recipe below. 50% of the packet will do the trick.

2- Here is a great natto recipe from Cornelia Aihara who has been making

natto for at least 40 years. I ate her natto many times and have made it this

way. I have seen her make it this way. Use a 15-25 watt light bulb in an

electric oven (no pilot light) Crack open the door if too warm in oven

_______________

NATTO BY CORNELIA AIHARA

FROM THE BOOK " DO OF COOKING " BY CORNELIA AIHARA

INGREDIENTS:

6 ONE PINT PAPER CONTAINERS

(USED FOR CHINESE TAKE OUT)

3 CUPS SOYBEANS

10 CUPS WATER

_______________________________________________

Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not pressure cooker) add beans and

water to cover by 1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half cover. Turn to

low flame and cook about 30 minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean between thumb and fingers to check

for tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break. Broken beans reduce the

fermentation.

Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso soup. Place one cup of the hot

soybeans in each one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the covers and

place all the filled containers in a large double paper bag (supermarket). Close

up the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven. Oven should be around 98° -104°

Fahrenheit or the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn the oven any higher.

(Do not use oven for any other purpose while making natto) Leave the soybeans in

oven for 3 nights. Remove after the 3rd night ... should be ready.

If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is necessary to stack the

containers on top of one another. After second night switch the bottom to the

top and vice versa. Let them stay another full day.

Open the container covers and let natto cool. Depending on your oven and the

season, your natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in the smell, remove

all natto from containers and spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

smell will evaporate and the good smell will return.

Finished product has a dark tan color and the beans retain shape but are

covered by stringy substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2 months and

refrigerated for about one week

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-thanks for the recipe,

I have never had, and never made Natto

Pam-- In nutrition , <jbjet2@y...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I live in a rural area and would have to drive hours to find

someplace to buy prepared natto. Does anyone know of a place to

mail order natto on-line?

>

>

>

> Allan Balliett <igg@i...> wrote:

> Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

>

>

> >

> > Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

> >

> >Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

> >pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

> >1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

> >cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

> >minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

> >hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean

> >between thumb and fingers to check for

> >tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break.

> >Broken beans reduce the fermentation.

> >

> >Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso

> >soup. Place one cup of the hot soybeans in each

> >one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the

> >covers and place all the filled containers in a

> >large double paper bag (supermarket). Close up

> >the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven.

> >Oven should be around 98° -104° Fahrenheit or

> >the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn

> >the oven any higher. (Do not use oven for any

> >other purpose while making natto) Leave the

> >soybeans in oven for 3 nights. Remove after the

> >3rd night ... should be ready.

> >

> >If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is

> >necessary to stack the containers on top of one

> >another. After second night switch the bottom to

> >the top and vice versa. Let them stay another

> >full day.

> >

> >Open the container covers and let natto cool.

> >Depending on your oven and the season, your

> >natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in

> >the smell, remove all natto from containers and

> >spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

> >smell will evaporate and the good smell will

> >return.

> >

> >Finished product has a dark tan color and the

> >beans retain shape but are covered by stringy

> >substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2

> >months and refrigerated for about one week

>

>

>

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Hi ,

If you can buy soybeans anywhere (bulk section of the supermarket) I get

mine at Raley's.

You can make your own with a starter culture from.

www.gemcultures.com

There might be an online source to order some prepared natto, I'm not sure.

Have you tried it before?

Beau B.

Re: natto making

Hi,

I live in a rural area and would have to drive hours to find someplace to

buy prepared natto. Does anyone know of a place to mail order natto

on-line?

Allan Balliett <igg@...> wrote:

Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

>

> Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

>

>Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

>pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

>1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

>cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

>minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

>hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean

>between thumb and fingers to check for

>tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break.

>Broken beans reduce the fermentation.

>

>Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso

>soup. Place one cup of the hot soybeans in each

>one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the

>covers and place all the filled containers in a

>large double paper bag (supermarket). Close up

>the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven.

>Oven should be around 98° -104° Fahrenheit or

>the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn

>the oven any higher. (Do not use oven for any

>other purpose while making natto) Leave the

>soybeans in oven for 3 nights. Remove after the

>3rd night ... should be ready.

>

>If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is

>necessary to stack the containers on top of one

>another. After second night switch the bottom to

>the top and vice versa. Let them stay another

>full day.

>

>Open the container covers and let natto cool.

>Depending on your oven and the season, your

>natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in

>the smell, remove all natto from containers and

>spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

>smell will evaporate and the good smell will

>return.

>

>Finished product has a dark tan color and the

>beans retain shape but are covered by stringy

>substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2

>months and refrigerated for about one week

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Is it possible that the takeout boxes could be made from rice straw paper?

Natto spores are extremely hardy and are found on rice straw in the wild.

I also would like to hear from anyone who has made natto using ADZUKI beans or

other beans. The adzuki beans are supposed to be related to soybeans.

I may be thrown off this group :) but I heard that natto can be made with

canned soybeans, bypassing the lengthy cooking process.

For what its worth I have put a squirt of dry natto spores in a cup of water and

drank it down. Nothing untoward to report in the month afterward.

Darrell

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>But definitely the most offensive food

>experience I've ever had.... That was before I got into NT and all

>this stuff... Now I even eat bugs and raw organs meats...

>LOL

Ummm ... I had one worse food experience ... fermented

tofu! But I agree, natto is rather unique in it's ability

to polarize people. It is said to be the same way in

Japan!

Heidi Jean

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Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

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This is what the recipe says. By now I have 12 used natto cartons that are

all hosts to natto bacteria. If I had four new, fresh, unsullied Chinese

takeout cartons I would try it and give you an answer. My practice is to

cheat and take a heaping tablespoon of natto and stir well into the pot of

hot (not scalding hot) cooked drained soybeans. Then spoon this into the

cartons This natto can be from a previous batch of homemade natto or from

the little frozen natto packages you can get in an oriental store. They cost

about $2.00

I do believe I once made a batch with ZERO inoculation. You can test

yourself. Get 4-6 of the Chinese takeout cartons. 6 is a very good number.

Cook only enough soy beans to fill 2 of the cartons and give the

ZERO-inoculation a test drive. The real secret IMHO is using paper takeout

cartons and enclosing them in a heavy brown paper grocery sack. Even use two

sacks, one inside the other. Double layer style.

Dan

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>

> Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

>

>Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

>pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

>1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

>cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

>minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

>hours, until beans are tender. Crush one bean

>between thumb and fingers to check for

>tenderness. Do not stir or beans will break.

>Broken beans reduce the fermentation.

>

>Strain liquid and save for use in clear or miso

>soup. Place one cup of the hot soybeans in each

>one pint Chinese take out container. Fold in the

>covers and place all the filled containers in a

>large double paper bag (supermarket). Close up

>the bag. Tie with string. Place in the oven.

>Oven should be around 98° -104° Fahrenheit or

>the heat of the pilot light only. Do not turn

>the oven any higher. (Do not use oven for any

>other purpose while making natto) Leave the

>soybeans in oven for 3 nights. Remove after the

>3rd night ... should be ready.

>

>If you cook a larger quantity of beans, it is

>necessary to stack the containers on top of one

>another. After second night switch the bottom to

>the top and vice versa. Let them stay another

>full day.

>

>Open the container covers and let natto cool.

>Depending on your oven and the season, your

>natto may over ferment. If there is ammonia in

>the smell, remove all natto from containers and

>spread out for half a day in a cool place. The

>smell will evaporate and the good smell will

>return.

>

>Finished product has a dark tan color and the

>beans retain shape but are covered by stringy

>substance. Natto can be kept frozen for 1 or 2

>months and refrigerated for about one week

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Hi Beau,

I have purchased other starters from gem cultures. I have never tasted natto,

and wanted to see if I would like it before going to the trouble of making some.

I also wanted to see what it is supposed to taste like first so I would know if

I got it right.

Beau & Shani <evolvingcreations@...> wrote:

Hi ,

If you can buy soybeans anywhere (bulk section of the supermarket) I get

mine at Raley's.

You can make your own with a starter culture from.

www.gemcultures.com

There might be an online source to order some prepared natto, I'm not sure.

Have you tried it before?

Beau B.

Re: natto making

Hi,

I live in a rural area and would have to drive hours to find someplace to

buy prepared natto. Does anyone know of a place to mail order natto

on-line?

Allan Balliett <igg@...> wrote:

Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

>

> Wash mature dry soybeans, soak overnight in 10 cups water

>

>Drain and discard water. In a deep pot (not

>pressure cooker) add beans and water to cover by

>1.5 " . Bring to boil on medium flame and half

>cover. Turn to low flame and cook about 30

>minutes. When foam reduces, cover and simmer 4-5

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Hi Allan,

well cooked soybeans need to be inoculated to ensure a safe and correct

natto product. Deu to the proteiouse nature of soybeans, I'd not recommend

using a safe or reputable innoculant. Traditional method of Japan includes

wrapping the cooked beans in rice straw. In certain parts of Asia, a variety

of fern leaf is used. The safest means is to use a pure starter culture of

" Bacillus subtilis var. natto " .

Here is a web page I recently created with instructions explaining how to

prepare natto with a commercial starter:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/nattomoto/natto.htm

Be-well,

Dom

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> Sorry to be dense - is there no innoculant needed for natto? -Allan

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