Oxycontin

[Guest guest]

I totally get where you're coming from with your opinion and believe me my

mom is far too narcissistic to kill herself. I don't care that she's addicted,

at 73, it's like you said, she will always have to be on something. The things I

am concerned about is one finding her dead in her bed, 2 when she had her her

hip replacement, they couldn't give her anything to ease her pain, they said she

took more medicine than a 20 yr old and still had to do a femoral block. My

concern is that when she really does need something strong for something very

serious, they are not gonna be able to help her and I would rather she not have

to leave this world in miserable pain. I would want her to be comfortable. I

just don't know how to handle it. I feel like it is a mental escape but I do not

think she wants to die. You would just have to know her. If oxycodene lasts for

12 hours, why in the world would he give her 4 per day? Just doesn't make sense.

And 3 atavans a day and 1 and a half ambien to sleep at night. She's needed the

sleeping pills since she was in her 40's tho. And she also takes paxel. She says

she takes that to keep from crying alot. Well dear Lord, if I was on all that, I

might cry all the time too. Lord help us. She's a mess. And I guess you can tell

I'm very frustrated with her right now but still trying to help and understand.

Thanks so much for your insight. It is tremendously helpful.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's oxycodene. He had her on the fast acting Oxycontin but she no longer

takes that. Can you imagine. Yes, she takes the ambien only at night and I

forget the milligrams of the Atavan. She SAYS that she takes her medicines

exactly as she is supposed to but I have been out with her and she will take one

and then if we were out for awhile and she got to hurting she would take another

one and it would have only been about 2 hours later. I think she takes something

every time she feels pain and she doesn't care if it's too much, she just

doesn't want to hurt. She is divorcing her husband which they were so

codependent and he was stealing her meds causing her to go into detox every

month. This last time he stole 3 weeks of her meds and she was so sick she wound

up in the hospital. He is gone, we made real sure of that. So we will see if she

does any better with him gone. Thanks again!

[Guest guest]

I would turn this doctor in! He seems to be her " dealer " .

Dawn E.

(540) 247-1692

I would rather be hated for who I am

than to be like for who I am not ~Author Unknown

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:18 PM

Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so far

she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of cancer or

anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both hips replaced

in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only needed 2-3 per day of

the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They tried to reduce her to 10

mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is fighting us tooth and nail over

this medicine stuff and I realize she is heavily dependent on her meds but I am

so concerned about her having some kind of life left. She totally acts and talks

like a dope addict in the worst way.. She cussed me out and acting freaky,

calling 911 while she was at the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine

and trying to kill her. You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that

coming from a 73 yr old woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds

extra cause she was

in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may abuse

with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but I really

don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do? Should I turn

that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this doc with her and

my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her " Bettye, are you taking too

much of your medication? And of course she said No and he rewrote her

prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but she got my other (quiet)

sister to go with her while she knew I was having a medical procedure done and

couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not hospice. There is no one dying

here just living with severe DDD and neck and back pain. What should I do?

[Guest guest]

Geee. Glad I found someone in between. My reg. Doc thinks 20 aspirin, 6 or so

tylenol, then some advil on top of that is okay.... It is soooo important to

find somebody to work with you....ya think????

Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:18 PM

Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so far

she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of cancer or

anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both hips replaced

in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only needed 2-3 per day of

the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They tried to reduce her to 10

mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is fighting us tooth and nail over

this medicine stuff and I realize she is heavily dependent on her meds but I am

so concerned about her having some kind of life left. She totally acts and talks

like a dope addict in the worst way.. She cussed me out and acting freaky,

calling 911 while she was at the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine

and trying to kill her. You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that

coming from a 73 yr old woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds

extra cause she was

in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may abuse

with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but I really

don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do? Should I turn

that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this doc with her and

my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her " Bettye, are you taking too

much of your medication? And of course she said No and he rewrote her

prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but she got my other (quiet)

sister to go with her while she knew I was having a medical procedure done and

couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not hospice. There is no one dying

here just living with severe DDD and neck and back pain. What should I do?

[Guest guest]

Who would you turn him into? Who to call? The sad part of this for me is that we

need good pain docs for when we really have to have this stuff and if you turn

one in, then they will get even tighter on how they give out medicine. Catch 22.

You would have thought that after I talked to this doc over the phone and him

promising me that he would change some stuff around and him knowing how her

family is freaking out over all this that he would be a little nervous. But my

sister that went with her said that this was not a high caliber doctor, she even

seemed to think he was hyped up himself. So you never know what you're dealing

with. He told me that he used to be just a regular MD in family practice but

didn't like it anymore and just does pain now. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for your concern.

[Guest guest]

,

 

 I understand you are trying to look out for your mom, and it IS really hard

when you disagree with someone you love in how they choose to take care of 

themselves. But the truth is, every human being has the right to make their own

medical decisions. Unless your mom is medically incapable of doing so and a

judge has deemed so, she has the right to choose for herself. It's no different

then if you were strongly against abortion but your 19 year old daughter wanted

one. It may break your heart, but you can't choose for her. You wouldn't want

anyone to do so for you.

 

It may sound crass, but when I'm in my seventies, and I was old, tired and in

pain...I would probably want to be gorked out too! I understand that the

behavior isn't pleasant either, but her doctors need to see that and decide for

themselves wether she's taking too much.

 

Also, like I mentioned before...she may be asking her doc for this. You don't

have to be dying of cancer or anything to be old and tired and not want to go

on. This may his form of compassion for her if this is what she wants. From his

interections with her that you've repeated here, I would think that he's not

being irresponsible. you have to let her go. Now you don't have to stick around

and witness her behavior if that's how she's going to be. And you DON'T have to

be a victim of verbal abuse if she's going to be that way either.

 

I know this is probably not what you want to hear, and I really do feel

sympathetic to your situation, but that is one of the great liberties of this

country...and that's the right to make your own choices. The healthcare system

is very adamant about this. You asked for my opinion...that is my professional

and personal opinion. I think you need to back off and focus on how you will

deal with your mother's bad behavior. You don't have to deal with it, you can

leave and not hang around to witness it.

 

Hugs,

in RI

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:18 PM

Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so far

she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of cancer or

anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both hips replaced

in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only needed 2-3 per day of

the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They tried to reduce her to 10

mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is fighting us tooth and nail over

this medicine stuff and I realize she is heavily dependent on her meds but I am

so concerned about her having some kind of life left. She totally acts and talks

like a dope addict in the worst way. She cussed me out and acting freaky,

calling 911 while she was at the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine

and trying to kill her. You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that

coming from a 73 yr old woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds

extra cause she was

in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may abuse

with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but I really

don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do? Should I turn

that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this doc with her and

my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her " Bettye, are you taking too

much of your medication? And of course she said No and he rewrote her

prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but she got my other (quiet)

sister to go with her while she knew I was having a medical procedure done and

couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not hospice. There is no one dying

here just living with severe DDD and neck and back pain. What should I do?

[Guest guest]

,

 

She may very well be using the medicine as a mental escape, and by golly when I

am that old, I would hope I'd be allowed that if I wanted it. I totally

understand your concerns, I would probably feel the same way if it were my mom,

but the bottom line is it just isn't your call. it's HER choice. She knows the

risks...and it's her choice. You've got to let her be. --- in RI

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:29 PM

I totally get where you're coming from with your opinion and believe me my

mom is far too narcissistic to kill herself. I don't care that she's addicted,

at 73, it's like you said, she will always have to be on something. The things I

am concerned about is one finding her dead in her bed, 2 when she had her her

hip replacement, they couldn't give her anything to ease her pain, they said she

took more medicine than a 20 yr old and still had to do a femoral block. My

concern is that when she really does need something strong for something very

serious, they are not gonna be able to help her and I would rather she not have

to leave this world in miserable pain. I would want her to be comfortable. I

just don't know how to handle it. I feel like it is a mental escape but I do not

think she wants to die. You would just have to know her. If oxycodene lasts for

12 hours, why in the world would he give her 4 per day? Just doesn't make sense.

And 3 atavans a

day and 1 and a half ambien to sleep at night. She's needed the sleeping pills

since she was in her 40's tho. And she also takes paxel. She says she takes that

to keep from crying alot. Well dear Lord, if I was on all that, I might cry all

the time too. Lord help us. She's a mess. And I guess you can tell I'm very

frustrated with her right now but still trying to help and understand.

Thanks so much for your insight. It is tremendously helpful.

[Guest guest]

I do agree with you and that's exactly what I have done. I have asked her

to please take good care of herself but that if she doesn't then we will bury

her. I am no longer putting up with her hateful ways and told her so. I have to

take her a little along. It's been that way for alot of years, but she's gotten

worse as she's gotten older. Even tho we don't get along well, I still wish a

better life for her. But you're right, she has the right to do anything she

chooses. But when you have to intervene because she almost died and wound up in

the hospital and you have to be the " bouncer " and kick her dope stealing husband

out and help pay for her divorce, you kinda don't know when to stop intervening.

I have stopped tho. Thanks so much for your valued opinion.

[Guest guest]

Oh, and Oxycontin and Oxycodone are two different medications. Oxycodone( also

known as Percocet) lasts 4 hours. Oxycontin lasts 12, it's an extended release

version of Percocet. I don't know which she is on. If she's taking 10 or 20 mg

of Oxycontin, that's not much over the 12 hours. If she's taking 10 mg of

Oxycodone, that's a bit stronger. Also, Oxycodone doesn't come in 20mg pills.

 

 And it's also possible that the medication is not what's making her sleep, it

could be depression, especially since she's already been diagnosed with it and

taking Paxil. . --- 

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:29 PM

I totally get where you're coming from with your opinion and believe me my

mom is far too narcissistic to kill herself. I don't care that she's addicted,

at 73, it's like you said, she will always have to be on something. The things I

am concerned about is one finding her dead in her bed, 2 when she had her her

hip replacement, they couldn't give her anything to ease her pain, they said she

took more medicine than a 20 yr old and still had to do a femoral block. My

concern is that when she really does need something strong for something very

serious, they are not gonna be able to help her and I would rather she not have

to leave this world in miserable pain. I would want her to be comfortable. I

just don't know how to handle it. I feel like it is a mental escape but I do not

think she wants to die. You would just have to know her. If oxycodene lasts for

12 hours, why in the world would he give her 4 per day? Just doesn't make sense.

And 3 atavans a

day and 1 and a half ambien to sleep at night. She's needed the sleeping pills

since she was in her 40's tho. And she also takes paxel. She says she takes that

to keep from crying alot. Well dear Lord, if I was on all that, I might cry all

the time too. Lord help us. She's a mess. And I guess you can tell I'm very

frustrated with her right now but still trying to help and understand.

Thanks so much for your insight. It is tremendously helpful.

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me after reading your last post here...sorry I'm getting them in

reverse...that your mom is suffering from depression. She's using the meds to

feel better and sleeping from depression. Pain is always felt more intensely

when you are depressed or stressed out. My best advice is to stop fighting her

every step of the way and just be there for her. It's not her that's fighting

you...it's you fighting her wishes. --- in RI

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:35 PM

Yes, it's oxycodene. He had her on the fast acting Oxycontin but she no longer

takes that. Can you imagine. Yes, she takes the ambien only at night and I

forget the milligrams of the Atavan. She SAYS that she takes her medicines

exactly as she is supposed to but I have been out with her and she will take one

and then if we were out for awhile and she got to hurting she would take another

one and it would have only been about 2 hours later. I think she takes something

every time she feels pain and she doesn't care if it's too much, she just

doesn't want to hurt. She is divorcing her husband which they were so

codependent and he was stealing her meds causing her to go into detox every

month. This last time he stole 3 weeks of her meds and she was so sick she wound

up in the hospital. He is gone, we made real sure of that. So we will see if she

does any better with him gone. Thanks again!

[Guest guest]

But ...you DON'T have to do any of those things. It's your mom's

responsibility to kick out her dope stealing husband and get her own divorce.

you know my ex stole my pills and was abusive...I didn't pay a dime for my

divorce. There are groups in every state that work for free for victims of

domestic violence and are poor. You sound a little co-dependant in your

relationship with your mom as well. YOU DON'T have to intervene. Just like your

mom can choose her health wishes...YOU too can choose your responses. As adults

we should not expect others to take care of our problems. We make our own

choices and it's no one else's responsibility to dig us out of our problems. I

know you feel like you are doing the right thing by your mom, but what about

what is right for you??? ---

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:15 PM

I do agree with you and that's exactly what I have done. I have asked her

to please take good care of herself but that if she doesn't then we will bury

her. I am no longer putting up with her hateful ways and told her so. I have to

take her a little along. It's been that way for alot of years, but she's gotten

worse as she's gotten older. Even tho we don't get along well, I still wish a

better life for her. But you're right, she has the right to do anything she

chooses. But when you have to intervene because she almost died and wound up in

the hospital and you have to be the " bouncer " and kick her dope stealing husband

out and help pay for her divorce, you kinda don't know when to stop intervening.

I have stopped tho. Thanks so much for your valued opinion.

[Guest guest]

See if the doc will give you attarax sure i have spelled it wrong) Many of the

patients i have had take it. It can cause trdive diskonesia, so if you have a hx

of seizures not a good idea otherwise i handed it out with oxy daily to all

aged people!

>

> Sheeesshhh I can stand itching.... the pain I can not....JMO. Get a cream with

cortisone in it. Or a really good hand cream.

>

> in NH

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[Guest guest]

thats terrible......that kind of diaganosis does not warrant CMO meds and that

sounds like what the docter is prescribing, if ddd & back issues are all that she

has. I can see at this point reducing her dose of oxi, would probably be doing

more harm than good, it is one of the worst detoxes ever from what i've seen!

Break through drugs like percs....well it is usually prescribed for breakthrough

pain, and most people in pain know to the second when their pain meds are due

even if they don't need them! The ATivan however, if she is on 1 mg, they can

reduse that, or vice versa with the percs. Not surprised she is " snowed " all

day. We give those meds for our CMO's!

>

> From: Jim & <_JM@...>

> Subject: Re: Oxycontin

> spinal problems

> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:18 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so far

she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of cancer or

anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both hips replaced

in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only needed 2-3 per day of

the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They tried to reduce her to 10

mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is fighting us tooth and nail over

this medicine stuff and I realize she is heavily dependent on her meds but I am

so concerned about her having some kind of life left. She totally acts and talks

like a dope addict in the worst way. She cussed me out and acting freaky,

calling 911 while she was at the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine

and trying to kill her. You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that

coming from a 73 yr old woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds

extra cause she was

> in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may abuse

with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but I really

don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do? Should I turn

that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this doc with her and

my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her " Bettye, are you taking too

much of your medication? And of course she said No and he rewrote her

prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but she got my other (quiet)

sister to go with her while she knew I was having a medical procedure done and

couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not hospice. There is no one dying

here just living with severe DDD and neck and back pain. What should I do?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are a few sizes of oxycontin for which there is no generic. I know

40 mg has generic. I seem to recall that the lowest dose had no generic

(I think 10mg). Be aware of taking Percocet as a chronic pain killer

because it contains Tylenol. That can do you more damage then the

oxycodone in oxycontin. I am not certain, but 3 Percocet a day might be

six Tylenol per day. If you take it on a chronic basis, that 1800

Tylenol per year? Ask your doctor about it. See if your doctor can

substitute oxycodone (generic) for the Percocet which is the same pain

killer as Oxycontin and Percocet but without the time release coating on

the Oxycontin and without the Tylenol in Percocet. That's all Oxycontin

is - Oxycodone with a time release coating.

Maybe look at side effects for oxycodone and Tylenol as to the itching.

Chuck

>

> Hope everyone is ok today. I was actually about to post a question

about Oxycontin too when I saw the latest thread... weird. : )

>

> I just started taking Oxycontin (for the first time ever) on Wednesday

and it has actually given me some relief (hallelujah!) - I am taking 30

mg three times a day with Percocet every 6 hours as needed. On Thursday

I noticed my skin was itching... it is not excruciating or anything,

more like annoying. Just feels like my skin is dry and lotion does not

take care of it. It does say on the pkg insert that itching might be a

side effect, but what I was wondering is if any of you have experienced

itching and if so, did it eventually go away once your body got used to

the medicine?

>

> On a side note, my pharmacist said there wasn't a generic for

Oxycontin - did she fib or is it just not available where I live maybe?

>

> Jenn

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have been reading the threads in your conversation/post tonight, and just

wanted to give my two cents for what it's worth, if you don't mind.

I agree with on some of what she is saying, that you should just let you

mother make her own decisions with the medications, and in my experiences, and

in my opinion, if she is over dosing you can bet that she will fly high for a

while, but sooner or later they always come crashing down. Now weather it's a

crash she will survive it will have to be left up to fate, as the more you fight

her the worst you are going to make it for yourself. When the crash happens then

she will get the help she will need to recover, and that will be the time she

will need you most. Rehab would be a tough situation to be in at that age.

It also sounds to me that you have medical problems of you own that you need to

be concerned over, and for you own health and welfare, that should be the only

real concern for you IMO.

It is a very hard pill to swallow, especially when you are booting some of the

expense of her divorce, you feel you should have more say so, and that is your

decision to fund the divorce right? You are in a very difficult situation, one

in which I would not want to be in. I know how difficult a parent can be, my

mother is 72 and widowed, I worry about sharks out there that may want to take

advantage of this, because she is not aware of the ways of this world. I live in

a very difficult situation my self, which is another story.

Anyways, I feel for you and you DH, for what ya'll are having to deal with, and

for your family and mother also, chronic pain can rip your whole life apart. My

prayer are with you all, in hopes that you can find the right answers. 

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

________________________________

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:15:53 PM

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

I do agree with you and that's exactly what I have done. I have asked her

to please take good care of herself but that if she doesn't then we will bury

her. I am no longer putting up with her hateful ways and told her so. I have to

take her a little along. It's been that way for alot of years, but she's gotten

worse as she's gotten older. Even tho we don't get along well, I still wish a

better life for her. But you're right, she has the right to do anything she

chooses. But when you have to intervene because she almost died and wound up in

the hospital and you have to be the " bouncer " and kick her dope stealing husband

out and help pay for her divorce, you kinda don't know when to stop intervening.

I have stopped tho. Thanks so much for your valued opinion.

[Guest guest]

Yeah I am with on this one. You need to get a second opinion. This dr is

killing your mom

Dawn E.

(540) 247-1692

I would rather be hated for who I am

than to be like for who I am not ~Author Unknown

From: wendy.tom@... <wendy.tom@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 12:25 PM

Hi

Im not either, but I am a Nurse, let me ask- if this Doctor a Hospice Doc?

In that I mean it seems his focus is on total comfort for your mom, I dont know

her details, but what you have listed would put anyone out. Again, I dont know

what is going on, but I used to work for Hospice and unless someone was dying

from some painful cancer, and had a lot of anxiety - that seems to be an awful

lot of pain meds, anxiety meds, and the ambien? If her pain is under control

with all those meds, than why give her that?

I would go for a second opinion, and remember, just because he writes the order,

doent mean you have to give her all of that. Maybe hold the ambien and the

percocet until you get her awake and able to tell you what she would feel

comfortable with. Get a second opinion.

RN

Re: Oxycontin

Hey ,

What would you think of a pain doc that prescribed 4 (20mg) oxycodene, 3

atavans, 2 percocets, 2 ambiens, 1 paxel per day to a 73 yr. old woman. As much

as I can appreciate a good pain doc, this one is killing my mom. She sleeps all

the time and even after we told him, he still wrote the prescriptions again. I

would appreciate your opinion.

[Guest guest]

There are no generics any longer for oxycontin...they were taken off the

market.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of cmlevy

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:12 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

There are a few sizes of oxycontin for which there is no generic. I know

40 mg has generic. I seem to recall that the lowest dose had no generic

(I think 10mg). Be aware of taking Percocet as a chronic pain killer

because it contains Tylenol. That can do you more damage then the

oxycodone in oxycontin. I am not certain, but 3 Percocet a day might be

six Tylenol per day. If you take it on a chronic basis, that 1800

Tylenol per year? Ask your doctor about it. See if your doctor can

substitute oxycodone (generic) for the Percocet which is the same pain

killer as Oxycontin and Percocet but without the time release coating on

the Oxycontin and without the Tylenol in Percocet. That's all Oxycontin

is - Oxycodone with a time release coating.

Maybe look at side effects for oxycodone and Tylenol as to the itching.

Chuck

>

> Hope everyone is ok today. I was actually about to post a question

about Oxycontin too when I saw the latest thread... weird. : )

>

> I just started taking Oxycontin (for the first time ever) on Wednesday

and it has actually given me some relief (hallelujah!) - I am taking 30

mg three times a day with Percocet every 6 hours as needed. On Thursday

I noticed my skin was itching... it is not excruciating or anything,

more like annoying. Just feels like my skin is dry and lotion does not

take care of it. It does say on the pkg insert that itching might be a

side effect, but what I was wondering is if any of you have experienced

itching and if so, did it eventually go away once your body got used to

the medicine?

>

> On a side note, my pharmacist said there wasn't a generic for

Oxycontin - did she fib or is it just not available where I live maybe?

>

> Jenn

>

[Guest guest]

,

You did say your mom is in severe pain....,,,so, the one thing that you can

do is call the dr. and let him know that she is asleep all day long...he

legally cant talk to you or give you info....the purpose of pain meds is to

improve someones life...so that they can be more active etc....

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of mawise30

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:20 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

thats terrible......that kind of diaganosis does not warrant CMO meds and

that sounds like what the docter is prescribing, if ddd & back issues are all

that she has. I can see at this point reducing her dose of oxi, would

probably be doing more harm than good, it is one of the worst detoxes ever

from what i've seen! Break through drugs like percs....well it is usually

prescribed for breakthrough pain, and most people in pain know to the second

when their pain meds are due even if they don't need them! The ATivan

however, if she is on 1 mg, they can reduse that, or vice versa with the

percs. Not surprised she is " snowed " all day. We give those meds for our

CMO's!

>

> From: Jim & <_JM@...>

> Subject: Re: Oxycontin

> spinal problems

<mailto:spinal problems%40>

> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:18 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so

far she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of

cancer or anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both

hips replaced in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only

needed 2-3 per day of the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They

tried to reduce her to 10 mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is

fighting us tooth and nail over this medicine stuff and I realize she is

heavily dependent on her meds but I am so concerned about her having some

kind of life left. She totally acts and talks like a dope addict in the

worst way. She cussed me out and acting freaky, calling 911 while she was at

the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine and trying to kill her.

You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that coming from a 73 yr old

woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds extra cause she was

> in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may

abuse with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but

I really don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do?

Should I turn that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this

doc with her and my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her

" Bettye, are you taking too much of your medication? And of course she said

No and he rewrote her prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but

she got my other (quiet) sister to go with her while she knew I was having a

medical procedure done and couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not

hospice. There is no one dying here just living with severe DDD and neck and

back pain. What should I do?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Most pain docs give a long acting drug and then a short acting drug for

break thru pain......oxycontin would be the long acting drug and most docs

would prescribe oxycodone 1 or 2 every 4-6 for break thru pain.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

Babbitt

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:15 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

Oh, and Oxycontin and Oxycodone are two different medications. Oxycodone(

also known as Percocet) lasts 4 hours. Oxycontin lasts 12, it's an extended

release version of Percocet. I don't know which she is on. If she's taking

10 or 20 mg of Oxycontin, that's not much over the 12 hours. If she's taking

10 mg of Oxycodone, that's a bit stronger. Also, Oxycodone doesn't come in

20mg pills.

And it's also possible that the medication is not what's making her sleep,

it could be depression, especially since she's already been diagnosed with

it and taking Paxil. . ---

From: Jim & <_JM@...

<mailto:_JM%40bellsouth.net> >

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

<mailto:spinal problems%40>

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:29 PM

I totally get where you're coming from with your opinion and believe

me my mom is far too narcissistic to kill herself. I don't care that she's

addicted, at 73, it's like you said, she will always have to be on

something. The things I am concerned about is one finding her dead in her

bed, 2 when she had her her hip replacement, they couldn't give her anything

to ease her pain, they said she took more medicine than a 20 yr old and

still had to do a femoral block. My concern is that when she really does

need something strong for something very serious, they are not gonna be able

to help her and I would rather she not have to leave this world in miserable

pain. I would want her to be comfortable. I just don't know how to handle

it. I feel like it is a mental escape but I do not think she wants to die.

You would just have to know her. If oxycodene lasts for 12 hours, why in the

world would he give her 4 per day? Just doesn't make sense. And 3 atavans a

day and 1 and a half ambien to sleep at night. She's needed the sleeping

pills since she was in her 40's tho. And she also takes paxel. She says she

takes that to keep from crying alot. Well dear Lord, if I was on all that, I

might cry all the time too. Lord help us. She's a mess. And I guess you can

tell I'm very frustrated with her right now but still trying to help and

understand.

Thanks so much for your insight. It is tremendously helpful.

[Guest guest]

Those meds are commonly prescribed for chronic pain. And 1 mg of Ativan isn't

huge, though .5 would probably be enough. ---

From: mawise30 <no_reply >

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 9:19 PM

thats terrible.... ..that kind of diaganosis does not warrant CMO meds and that

sounds like what the docter is prescribing, if ddd & back issues are all that she

has. I can see at this point reducing her dose of oxi, would probably be doing

more harm than good, it is one of the worst detoxes ever from what i've seen!

Break through drugs like percs....well it is usually prescribed for breakthrough

pain, and most people in pain know to the second when their pain meds are due

even if they don't need them! The ATivan however, if she is on 1 mg, they can

reduse that, or vice versa with the percs. Not surprised she is " snowed " all

day. We give those meds for our CMO's!

>

> From: Jim & <_JM@.. .>

> Subject: Re: Oxycontin

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:18 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank you for your opinion. She is no longer on the percocet and so far

she is staying awake and even walking around some. She is not dying of cancer or

anything but has had multiple spinal issues for years and had both hips replaced

in the last 3 yrs. She admitted to me that she really only needed 2-3 per day of

the oxycodene but that she MUST have the 20 mgs. They tried to reduce her to 10

mgs in the hospital and she had a fit. She is fighting us tooth and nail over

this medicine stuff and I realize she is heavily dependent on her meds but I am

so concerned about her having some kind of life left. She totally acts and talks

like a dope addict in the worst way. She cussed me out and acting freaky,

calling 911 while she was at the hospital saying they were stealing her medicine

and trying to kill her. You just wouldn't believe it. And imagine all that

coming from a 73 yr old woman. Now she has nearly a whole months worth of meds

extra cause she

was

> in the hospital and they were giving it to her and I'm afraid she may abuse

with all the extras she has of it. I don't want to give up on her but I really

don't have much control with her fighting us. What should I do? Should I turn

that doctor in for overmedicating her? My sister went to this doc with her and

my sister said it was a joke. That the guy asked her " Bettye, are you taking too

much of your medication? And of course she said No and he rewrote her

prescriptions as normal. I was gonna go with her but she got my other (quiet)

sister to go with her while she knew I was having a medical procedure done and

couldn't be there. This is a normal pain doc not hospice. There is no one dying

here just living with severe DDD and neck and back pain. What should I do?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldnt turn him in, I think you need to just let your mom make her decisions

and like said, you dont have to be around to listen to her abuse. Like

said, the Doc sounds like he is trying to be compasionate to someone who

is old and feels miserable with her disease process. I know that at almost 45 I

have a lot of pain, if I make it to 70 -God- I hope I have a compasionate Doc to

be there for me than.

RN

Re: Oxycontin

Who would you turn him into? Who to call? The sad part of this for me is that we

need good pain docs for when we really have to have this stuff and if you turn

one in, then they will get even tighter on how they give out medicine. Catch 22.

You would have thought that after I talked to this doc over the phone and him

promising me that he would change some stuff around and him knowing how her

family is freaking out over all this that he would be a little nervous. But my

sister that went with her said that this was not a high caliber doctor, she even

seemed to think he was hyped up himself. So you never know what you're dealing

with. He told me that he used to be just a regular MD in family practice but

didn't like it anymore and just does pain now. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for your concern.

[Guest guest]

Right on ! ---

From: wendy.tom@... <wendy.tom@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:17 AM

I wouldnt turn him in, I think you need to just let your mom make her decisions

and like said, you dont have to be around to listen to her abuse. Like

said, the Doc sounds like he is trying to be compasionate to someone who

is old and feels miserable with her disease process. I know that at almost 45 I

have a lot of pain, if I make it to 70 -God- I hope I have a compasionate Doc to

be there for me than.

RN

Re: Oxycontin

Who would you turn him into? Who to call? The sad part of this for me is that we

need good pain docs for when we really have to have this stuff and if you turn

one in, then they will get even tighter on how they give out medicine. Catch 22.

You would have thought that after I talked to this doc over the phone and him

promising me that he would change some stuff around and him knowing how her

family is freaking out over all this that he would be a little nervous. But my

sister that went with her said that this was not a high caliber doctor, she even

seemed to think he was hyped up himself. So you never know what you're dealing

with. He told me that he used to be just a regular MD in family practice but

didn't like it anymore and just does pain now. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for your concern.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much . Only you guys really understand this kind of stuff.

Yes, I very much have problems of my own, hence me being on this site. I live in

chronic pain myself and I stay on the edge with stress anyway dealing with my

pain and workman's comp is enough to drive you completely nuts. They are trying

to force me back to work with a bad FCE and my spineless doctor that will not

override the FCE and in the meantime getting worse and worse with my neck and

back problems. Just found out I have an ulcer and have to come off the celebrex

and eating lyricas and loritabs. Oh well, sorry to spew. But with the additional

worries over my Mom, I've got a full plate to say the least. And I haven't even

gone into all the other crap in my life. Thanks again for the shoulder, .

I'm just glad there is someone out there that understands this crazy life we're

trying to live.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

I hope you find some relief with your pain soon. I can't believe that they would

try to force you back even with an FCE that says you can't do the work. I hope

to God I never get hurt at work, I see everyday people who are Work Comp. Half

of them are good workers who just want to get better and get back to work. the

other half...well, they just don't want to work. Period. They drain the life out

of me and my boss...they drain resources from the system. We have this one girl

who collects every week twice what I make in a week working...and she's been

collecting this for about 3-4 years. She does nothing but sit home and figure

out ways to milk the taxpayers for money and not work. Now she wants us to say

she's disabled for SSDI. We just did another surgery in her for carpal tunnel

and don't even know yet if it's going to help. Sheesh! I feel for the patients

who have to sit around just waiting for the checks to come in with irregularity.

You can't depend

on it. It's tough for sure.

 , all I can say is worry about you and getting yourself feeling better.

Let go of trying to worry and control what your mom does. She's an adult. She's

probably tired of being in pain. It makes me nauseous the thought of my being

her age and still having pain. I'm only 31 and I've already been dealing with it

for 16 years. I think I would seek out a big 'ol dose of Morphine. I would want

to go Home, where there's no pain anymore.

 

You are cared for and supported here. this is a family of sorts.

 

Take Care,

From: Jim & <_JM@...>

Subject: Re: Oxycontin

spinal problems

Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:50 PM

Thank you so much . Only you guys really understand this kind of stuff.

Yes, I very much have problems of my own, hence me being on this site. I live in

chronic pain myself and I stay on the edge with stress anyway dealing with my

pain and workman's comp is enough to drive you completely nuts. They are trying

to force me back to work with a bad FCE and my spineless doctor that will not

override the FCE and in the meantime getting worse and worse with my neck and

back problems. Just found out I have an ulcer and have to come off the celebrex

and eating lyricas and loritabs. Oh well, sorry to spew. But with the additional

worries over my Mom, I've got a full plate to say the least. And I haven't even

gone into all the other crap in my life. Thanks again for the shoulder, .

I'm just glad there is someone out there that understands this crazy life we're

trying to live.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for caring and being supportive they way you are. You would have to

know my Mom to know what I'm dealing with here. She very much brings you into

her business and if you cross a sensitive line then she wants you out . Believe

me when I tell you, I don't want to be in her business. I have far too much on

my own plate. Yes, I know what you mean about the folks on workmans comp. The

bad ones make it bad for everyone I'm afraid. I used to take things personally

but after I worked in the medical unit for 2 years, I saw for myself how people

abuse the system. And they know it inside and out. Folks like me trying to get

some real help have to deal with all the attitude from folks that don't have a

clue about our problems but they get so complacent working with it all, they

just treat everybody pretty much the same...terrible. People tell me all the

time that I look good and I know they are just being nice but I take it like

" You don't look like you're hurting " , but then again, It's not my looks thats

hurting. Especially with this nerve pain, I'd be better off if I had a cast on

my leg, something they could see. Oh well, I'm venting a bit here, sorry.

Thanks for your input. It is valued.