Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 One of our local pain doc’s (anaethesiologist) owned one. His experience was that it was not an effective therapy, and recently sold his. He does better with his needles… Another clinic here in Medford operated similar decompression units – without success. I was told by one patient that they were providing INTERMITTENT traction to her acute disk herniation! I wonder how insurance companies justify paying for that nonsense and not safe and effective adjustments. Glenn Glenn F. Gumaer, B.S., D.C. Chiropractic Physician Northside Chiropractic Clinic 1240 N. Riverside Avenue Medford, OR 97501-4619 541-770-1330 ofc 541-770-7090 fax From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RMBALSIGER@... Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:46 PM drscott@...; Subject: Re: Breakthrough treatment for back pain Doc, This is an ad for the DRX 9000 spinal decompression machine produced by a company called Axiom. It is being marketed to DCs by Ben Altadonna. They claim it is not traction but decompression and they claim research exists to back up their 86% success rate. What I'm unclear about is how they defined success. Perhaps its like a cancer cure. If you're still alive 5 years later you were cured.There are at least three in this area that I know of. They are quite expensive to purchase. Rick Balsiger, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Glenn, et al My understanding is that the insurance companies rapidly " got " that this was just another way to extract their money, and stopped paying for this, thus the Medford clinic went out of business. My unscientific survey of various practitioners who have seen people who have tried this type of mechanical traction is that the results are much less than 86%. Easy to create one study, with perfect selection of patients, and then not have it work as well in the real world. Marc Glenn F. Gumaer, D.C. wrote: > One of our local pain doc’s (anaethesiologist) owned one. His experience > was that it was not an effective therapy, and recently sold his. He does > better with his needles… Another clinic here in Medford operated similar > decompression units – without success. I was told by one patient that > they were providing INTERMITTENT traction to her acute disk herniation! > I wonder how insurance companies justify paying for that nonsense and > not safe and effective adjustments. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > Glenn F. Gumaer, B.S., D.C. > > Chiropractic Physician > > Northside Chiropractic Clinic > > 1240 N. Riverside Avenue > > Medford, OR 97501-4619 > > 541-770-1330 ofc > > 541-770-7090 fax > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [mailto: ] *On > Behalf Of *RMBALSIGER@... > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:46 PM > *To:* drscott@...; > *Subject:* Re: Breakthrough treatment for back pain > > > > Doc, > This is an ad for the DRX 9000 spinal decompression machine produced by > a company called Axiom. It is being marketed to DCs by Ben Altadonna. > They claim it is not traction but decompression and they claim research > exists to back up their 86% success rate. What I'm unclear about is how > they defined success. Perhaps its like a cancer cure. If you're still > alive 5 years later you were cured.There are at least three in this area > that I know of. They are quite expensive to purchase. > Rick Balsiger, D.C. > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to > foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve > members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, > forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another > member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have > been removed. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like the one you are using? Janice DRX 9000 Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: 10/03/10 23:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 no but it sound mid-evil. From: Janice <faraway1@...> Subject: Re: DRX 9000 spinal problems Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 6:13 PM Â What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like the one you are using? Janice DRX 9000 Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: 10/03/10 23:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hi Janice just do a google search on DRX 9000 Tomorrow will be my 10th treatment and so far No changes . Im thinking of quitting the DRX as i feel i may be wasting my time and money on it. Has anyone here had any experience with the treatment known as ROLFING and structural integration ? Dave > > What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like the one you are using? > Janice > DRX 9000 > > > > Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs > > Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? > > Dave > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: 10/03/10 23:35:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 So, looks like a chiropractor in the East Bay area of the SF bay is getting sued by a bunch of doctors. Not going to take a position on this as I haven't tried the machine but..an interesting development nonetheless. http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16818190 DRX-9000 fraud lawsuit <http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16818190> > > > > What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like the one you are using? > > Janice > > DRX 9000 > > > > > > > > Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs > > > > Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: 10/03/10 23:35:00 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Am I the only on e who thinks of the Medieval torture system " the rack " every time I read about htis? In a message dated 12/10/2010 9:29:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawngc@... writes: I tried something similar to this about 15 years ago. It was called Vax-D and worked on the same principle - I was face down with a harness around my hips that was attached at the foot of the table by cables. I held on to some hand grips and the bottom of the table would pull my hips down while I held on to keep my upper torso from moving. I did this 3 times a week for 2 months and ended up with fusion of L4-L5 anyway! I think once the disk has ruptured and allowed the center to slip out, there is nothing that will work to put the center back in and keep it there other than surgery. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 I tried something similar to this about 15 years ago. It was called Vax-D and worked on the same principle - I was face down with a harness around my hips that was attached at the foot of the table by cables. I held on to some hand grips and the bottom of the table would pull my hips down while I held on to keep my upper torso from moving. I did this 3 times a week for 2 months and ended up with fusion of L4-L5 anyway! I think once the disk has ruptured and allowed the center to slip out, there is nothing that will work to put the center back in and keep it there other than surgery. Just my 2 cents! Dawn On Dec 10, 2010, at 2:05 AM, zac wrote: > So, looks like a chiropractor in the East Bay area of the SF bay is > getting sued by a bunch of doctors. Not going to take a position on this > as I haven't tried the machine but..an interesting development > nonetheless. http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16818190 > > DRX-9000 fraud lawsuit > <http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16818190> > >>> >>> What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid > my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like > the one you are using? >>> Janice >>> DRX 9000 >>> >>> >>> >>> Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, > so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs >>> >>> Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > ------ >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: > 10/03/10 23:35:00 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Since it didn't help Dave any, maybe he needs to contact the attorneys who are handling the lawsuits and get his money back!!! > > > > > > What machine are you talking about Dave? I used one once that I laid > my leg in and it moved it back and forth then up and down. Is this like > the one you are using? > > > Janice > > > DRX 9000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, > so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs > > > > > > Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: > 10/03/10 23:35:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 No, not at all. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Jaderbug and Nissa (LJs) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk & la(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 12/10/2010 11:03 AM, jarcher107@... wrote: > Am I the only on e who thinks of the Medieval torture system " the rack " > every time I read about htis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 This is my own personal opinion so don't jump down my throat. I would not allow a chiropractor touch me ever again. They don't have the tools to diagnose a problem as big as some of us have. They can take an x-ray and that's about all in this state. They cannot order or interpert the findings on an MRI or CT scan. All they can do is manipulate you and that can cause you great harm. REMEMBER this is my opinion and the facts that I have learned through years of going through things like this. Janice DRX 9000 > > > > > > > > Tomorrow will be my 5th session on the Machine, i go 3 x a week, so far no changes in my Leg Pain , its pulling at 79 lbs > > > > Does anyone in here have any experience using this machine ? > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------\ ------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3176 - Release Date: 10/03/10 23:35:00 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Many years ago when I first started having back problems I had to be in the hospital for up to 8 days at a time due to the pain and they would put me in traction each time I ws in there. I would go home and have about 3 days where I could walk a little then it was right back to the same thing. I was only 20 and didn't know how I hurt myself so no surgery but I was in the hospital in traction 17 times before they finally did the myelogram and surgery. The surgery was 100% sucessful. Janice Re: DRX 9000 Am I the only on e who thinks of the Medieval torture system " the rack " every time I read about htis? In a message dated 12/10/2010 9:29:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawngc@... writes: I tried something similar to this about 15 years ago. It was called Vax-D and worked on the same principle - I was face down with a harness around my hips that was attached at the foot of the table by cables. I held on to some hand grips and the bottom of the table would pull my hips down while I held on to keep my upper torso from moving. I did this 3 times a week for 2 months and ended up with fusion of L4-L5 anyway! I think once the disk has ruptured and allowed the center to slip out, there is nothing that will work to put the center back in and keep it there other than surgery. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 do you remember what they called that particular traction procedure? and which area of the spine did you have injured at that time? -curious george with l5s1 From: Janice Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:58 AM spinal problems Subject: Re: DRX 9000 Many years ago when I first started having back problems I had to be in the hospital for up to 8 days at a time due to the pain and they would put me in traction each time I ws in there. I would go home and have about 3 days where I could walk a little then it was right back to the same thing. I was only 20 and didn't know how I hurt myself so no surgery but I was in the hospital in traction 17 times before they finally did the myelogram and surgery. The surgery was 100% sucessful. Janice Re: DRX 9000 Am I the only on e who thinks of the Medieval torture system " the rack " every time I read about htis? In a message dated 12/10/2010 9:29:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:dawngc%40gmail.com writes: I tried something similar to this about 15 years ago. It was called Vax-D and worked on the same principle - I was face down with a harness around my hips that was attached at the foot of the table by cables. I held on to some hand grips and the bottom of the table would pull my hips down while I held on to keep my upper torso from moving. I did this 3 times a week for 2 months and ended up with fusion of L4-L5 anyway! I think once the disk has ruptured and allowed the center to slip out, there is nothing that will work to put the center back in and keep it there other than surgery. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 It was in my lower back L-5 S-1 they called it something but they put this huge belt around my hips and would put up to 15 pounds of weight on it and and I had to stay in it except to go to the bathroom 4 times a day. It's purpose was to stretch the spine open so the ruptured disc would hopefully slip back in. It didn't work but it made me feel better for a few days at a time. After 17 trips to the hospital in 22 months they finally did the myelogram with pantopaque dye then operated the very next day. Janice Re: DRX 9000 Am I the only on e who thinks of the Medieval torture system " the rack " every time I read about htis? In a message dated 12/10/2010 9:29:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:dawngc%40gmail.com writes: I tried something similar to this about 15 years ago. It was called Vax-D and worked on the same principle - I was face down with a harness around my hips that was attached at the foot of the table by cables. I held on to some hand grips and the bottom of the table would pull my hips down while I held on to keep my upper torso from moving. I did this 3 times a week for 2 months and ended up with fusion of L4-L5 anyway! I think once the disk has ruptured and allowed the center to slip out, there is nothing that will work to put the center back in and keep it there other than surgery. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 I have had 2 rounds on one of them, it only works on the lower spine. The 1st round actually helped with the pain and I felt much better, that was about 2 years ago. The 2nd time it made no difference and halfway through something went crunch and I was couch ridden for a week, so that was the end of that as they stopped treatment straight away. susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 what did you have 2 rounds of? I don't see the message prior to this one. Are you talking about epidural steroid injections? Janice Re: DRX 9000 I have had 2 rounds on one of them, it only works on the lower spine. The 1st round actually helped with the pain and I felt much better, that was about 2 years ago. The 2nd time it made no difference and halfway through something went crunch and I was couch ridden for a week, so that was the end of that as they stopped treatment straight away. susan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3307 - Release Date: 12/09/10 23:37:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 I was talking about the drx 9000, the back stretching torture machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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