Physical Therapy

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term disability,,, Go figure that one..

neck pain

From: tomhfsu@...

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:58:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Physical Therapy

I can be a testament that surgery can affect the throat area, because I

have problems with swallowing now..

Also, would you not be able to go on short term disability to recover??

Tom

In a message dated 5/28/2009 11:19:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

gatorma1@... writes:

I do not want the surgery at all~ I am a vocalist and there is a 4

5%chance of it damaging my chords and so I am remaining in pain management

until

the last resort!

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

From: <_ljorichardson0912@ljorichards_

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Subject: RE: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: RE: [Pain

_painintheneck-painintheneck-<Wpain_

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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:13 PM

I tried the injections and the last time and they didn't help at all. I am

just trying not to have surgery until I built up some more days off since

I used all my sick leave when I had the last fusion in Feb.Ugh..

_PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_

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From: _gatorma1@..._ (mailto:gatorma1@...)

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:54:27 -0700

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNec

Dear ,

She is right-- same thing with my situation and my PT said the same thing

I am in pain management with injections 6 a year and hyrdocodone 2 -3 a

day and ice.

The injections work for a month then I am out of luck until I can get the

next one.

Annie

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Subject: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: [PainInTh

_spinedisorderssuppospinedisorderssuspinedi_

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_painintheneck-painintheneck-<Wpain_

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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and

cervical stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I

have had fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we

are looking at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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Funny thing is I work for a medical center.. University and we do not have short

term disability,,, Go figure that one..

neck pain

From: tomhfsu@...

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:58:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Physical Therapy

I can be a testament that surgery can affect the throat area, because I

have problems with swallowing now..

Also, would you not be able to go on short term disability to recover??

Tom

In a message dated 5/28/2009 11:19:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

gatorma1@... writes:

I do not want the surgery at all~ I am a vocalist and there is a 4

5%chance of it damaging my chords and so I am remaining in pain management

until

the last resort!

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

From: <_ljorichardson0912@ljorichards_

(mailto:ljorichardson0912@...) >

Subject: RE: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: RE: [Pain

_painintheneck-painintheneck-<Wpain_

(mailto:neck pain )

Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:13 PM

I tried the injections and the last time and they didn't help at all. I am

just trying not to have surgery until I built up some more days off since

I used all my sick leave when I had the last fusion in Feb.Ugh..

_PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_

(mailto:neck pain )

From: _gatorma1@..._ (mailto:gatorma1@...)

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:54:27 -0700

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNec

Dear ,

She is right-- same thing with my situation and my PT said the same thing

I am in pain management with injections 6 a year and hyrdocodone 2 -3 a

day and ice.

The injections work for a month then I am out of luck until I can get the

next one.

Annie

From: <_ljorichardson0912@ljorichards_

(mailto:ljorichardson0912@...) >

Subject: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: [PainInTh

_spinedisorderssuppospinedisorderssuspinedi_

(mailto:spinal problems ) ,

_painintheneck-painintheneck-<Wpain_

(mailto:neck pain )

Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and

cervical stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I

have had fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we

are looking at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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Your kidding me???? How can they not offer that???

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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and

cervical stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I

have had fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we

are looking at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and

cervical stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I

have had fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we

are looking at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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I totally disagree!!! What kind of PT tells you you can't be helped if you had a

fusion? Well maybe if you had a CERVICAL fusion...is that what you had?  The

main goal of PT for a person with a bad back is to strengthen the core. Doing

that yakes an incredible amount of srtain off the spine and can greatly reduce

pain. Also, if you have a bad back and esp with a lumbar fusion, your sacrum and

hips have problems, and you may not even know that something is off in your hips

and causing back pain. Everything is connected. With a cervical fusion, I still

feel that you can strengthen your neck muscles...what you need is more hands on

therapy which includes cranio-sacral and myo-fascial release techniques...some

of which you can  learn to do at home. Many PT's do that, but as I said in an

earlier post, if you find a PT who is also an MT...you can have massage and all

those above listed therapies for cost of your co-pay. I have found this to be

incredibly

helpful.

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From: <ljorichardson0912@...>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinal problems ,

neck pain

Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and cervical

stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I have had

fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we are looking

at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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Yes I have had 2 cervical fusions.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:46:00 -0700

Subject: Re: Physical Therapy

I totally disagree!!! What kind of PT tells you you can't be helped if you

had a fusion? Well maybe if you had a CERVICAL fusion...is that what you had?

The main goal of PT for a person with a bad back is to strengthen the core.

Doing that yakes an incredible amount of srtain off the spine and can greatly

reduce pain. Also, if you have a bad back and esp with a lumbar fusion, your

sacrum and hips have problems, and you may not even know that something is off

in your hips and causing back pain. Everything is connected. With a cervical

fusion, I still feel that you can strengthen your neck muscles...what you need

is more hands on therapy which includes cranio-sacral and myo-fascial release

techniques...some of which you can learn to do at home. Many PT's do that, but

as I said in an earlier post, if you find a PT who is also an MT...you can have

massage and all those above listed therapies for cost of your co-pay. I have

found this to be incredibly

helpful.

---

From: <ljorichardson0912@...>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinal problems ,

neck pain

Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and cervical

stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I have had

fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we are looking

at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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PT will help strengthen the muscles . that will help the spine .I went thru

weeks of PT both before and after  cervical spine fusion. now doing the same for

lumbar .

From: <ljorichardson0912@...>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinal problems ,

neck pain

Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and cervical

stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I have had

fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we are looking

at surgery after having it in Feb.

Thanks

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I have been lucky with my PT--I have a herniated disc and cervical stenosis, as

well good old DDD marching through everything. I dropped the first therapist I

had since I sensed they weren't going to help me--I really don't think she

believed I had pain. I managed to hook up with a top-notch PT school, being

part of their clinic. I really love the direction the new therapist has been

going, with building my core, my legs and arms, and learning how not to let my

neck muscles " guard " . I think I am overall the strongest and healthiest I have

been in my entire life and I have actually been able to reduce my medications.

I do spend 30-45 minutes 6 days a week doing the exercises he has showed me, on

top of 30 minutes of cadio they are having me do 5 days a week. He also has been

able to do pressure point massage, which finally got some of those muscles to

relax. Combined the PT with a good accupuncturist, and I feel like I have my

life back, at least in part. I know that this is going to be a part of my life

for now on--when I get tired of taking the time to stretch and build those

muscles, I really pay for it in the future.

Carol in the Northwest

>

>

>

> From: <ljorichardson0912@...>

>

> Subject: Physical Therapy

>

> spinal problems ,

neck pain

>

> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:40 AM

>

>

>

> I had a question.. Has anyone had PT help with herniated disc's and cervical

stenosis. I went to PT yesterday and she said do to the fact that I have had

fusions there isn't a whole lot she can do. So I feel like again we are looking

at surgery after having it in Feb.

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

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That's a great point Jane, although I made that suggestion as the vasy majority

of PT's out there are BS, and there is no way for an incoming patient to know if

the therapist they will see IS so knowledgeable and concerning. Most paeople

looking for  PT just go to whomever is near their house, but seeking out the

best is important, and looking for someone with a MAsters degree is one way to

advertise that you are that way. No one advertizes that they are better than the

rest, but having an MS tells you that they are highly trained and they care

about doing a good job. You can;'t tell the difference between a PT with a BS

who is better than others by looking at them or their name.

This is why I made the valid suggestion to look for someone with a Masters'

degree. OR, do PT in an environment of a physiatrist. Their clinics often have

their own PT, who are usually top rate.

 

Of course there are plenty of PT's with a BS...but like I said, you can't tell

the difference till it's too late.

 

--- in RI

From: Jane Tatum <janetatum@...>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinal problems

Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's College.

I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know that

I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and that the

pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a major

factor as well.

I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every day.

All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have a very

special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult times

is a major factor in all of our lives.

Jane Tatum

Tennessee

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actually your point is excellent and I wasnt disputing it. Going

back into lurkdom now. LOL

Jane

Physical Therapy

spinal problems

Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's College.

I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know that

I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and that the

pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a major

factor as well.

I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every day.

All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have a very

special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult times

is a major factor in all of our lives.

Jane Tatum

Tennessee

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Oh Jane...PLEASE don't do THAT!!! We want people here...not in lurkdom!!!

I was simply giving the info behind my initial point, to reinforce my initial

point.

 

We all love hearing what others have to say here, and ALL are wanted!!!! No one

should be or feel shot down here. Everyong is welcome...comein to the light and

out of lurkdom!

 

Could you tell me a little about yourself?

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From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's College.

I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know that

I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and that the

pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a major

factor as well.

I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every day.

All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have a very

special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult times

is a major factor in all of our lives.

Jane Tatum

Tennessee

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what is lurkdom?

On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Babbitt wrote:

Oh Jane...PLEASE don't do THAT!!! We want people here...not in

lurkdom!!!

I was simply giving the info behind my initial point, to reinforce my

initial point.

We all love hearing what others have to say here, and ALL are

wanted!!!! No one should be or feel shot down here. Everyong is

welcome...comein to the light and out of lurkdom!

Could you tell me a little about yourself?

---

From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

Subject: Physical Therapy

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

College.

I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

that

I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

that the

pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

major

factor as well.

I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

day.

All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

a very

special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

times

is a major factor in all of our lives.

Jane Tatum

Tennessee

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Thank you . I didnt want to overstep my bounds. I am a former special

education teacher who has resorted to working at home for the past three

years due to my increasing spinal stenosis. I have had two anterior

cervical fusions,one in 2000 and one in 2008. The worst experience of my

life in my 56 years on this planet was the laminectomy and fusion of L4,L5

and S1. This has been a long term stay in hell so far. I think that a

laminectomy and fusion of something are probably done to people when they

enter hell for sure. This has cost me my credit rating, my career ended

due to my deteriorating spine, and life just generally has gone down the

tubes due to my spinal garbage. In the middle of it all, my ortho decided

I needed the C4,5 and 6 he did last year redone this year. Some HUGE

yellow lights went off and I have found another orthopedic surgeon who says

that the last thing my profoundly deteriorated arthritic spine needs is more

surgery. We are in the process of starting the ESIs again...then the next

aspect I suppose will be a pain clinic. Thanks for asking...hope I didnt

say too much here. Jane

Physical Therapy

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's College.

I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know that

I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and that the

pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a major

factor as well.

I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every day.

All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have a very

special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult times

is a major factor in all of our lives.

Jane Tatum

Tennessee

[Guest guest]

LOL lurkdom is the state of reading and not posting. Good

question! That is something I learned from moderating several groups in the

past few years.

Jane in TN

Physical Therapy

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>

> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

> College.

> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

> that

> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

> that the

> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come with a

> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

> major

> factor as well.

>

> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

> day.

> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

> a very

> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

> times

> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>

> Jane Tatum

> Tennessee

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jane,

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Jane. I'm not an MD or a nurse, but common sense tells me

not to go along with a surgeon who wants to redo an operation he

messed up the first time around. What assurance can you have that he

won't screw it up again--maybe a different screw-up?

I get the feeling from reading posts here that much of the pain and

hell people go through can be traced directly to surgeon mess-ups---

surgeons short on expert training and/or experience.

in DC

On Jun 6, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jane Tatum wrote:

LOL lurkdom is the state of reading and not posting. Good

question! That is something I learned from moderating several groups

in the

past few years.

Jane in TN

Physical Therapy

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>

> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

> College.

> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

> that

> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

> that the

> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come

> with a

> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

> major

> factor as well.

>

> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

> day.

> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

> a very

> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

> times

> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>

> Jane Tatum

> Tennessee

>

>

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We don't know about the mess-up rate. I think it is hidden in the data. I think

( just a idea) that every case is unique and every surgery is not completely

successful. Doctors

particularly surgeons, sometimes float the idea of giving someone a surgical

solution and combined with hope, good surgical technique, and placebo effect,

maybe that will be enough. I fought pain for 3 years and did not do well on the

conservative treatment so I went to a surgeon hoping for relief. I did not

explore the possiblilty of a bad outcome. I honestly did not have the guts to do

so, and was hoping beyond belief that he could exact some magic. Now, with very

heavy post surgical pain, I am stuck wondering if I can ever seekl this outcome

confidently again. So maybe it is a combination of surgeon's screw-ups,

unreleastic expectations by the patient and the reality that some of us fall

through the cracks.

Life itself can be a painful lesson. Just when you are looking forward to

retirement, the back goes. The lesson is to try and glean as much happiness and

contentment as possible from the present. Take those small beautiful victories

like a flower in the garden or a beautiful day or that 15minutes you can fly

fish without pain or a hug and a kiss from your lover. All we really have is

what we can get out of the present.

Sorry for all this, its one of those days. you guys know what i am talin about.

spinal problems

From: aodean@...

Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:11:48 -0400

Subject: Re: Physical Therapy

Thank you, Jane. I'm not an MD or a nurse, but common sense tells me

not to go along with a surgeon who wants to redo an operation he

messed up the first time around. What assurance can you have that he

won't screw it up again--maybe a different screw-up?

I get the feeling from reading posts here that much of the pain and

hell people go through can be traced directly to surgeon mess-ups---

surgeons short on expert training and/or experience.

in DC

On Jun 6, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jane Tatum wrote:

LOL lurkdom is the state of reading and not posting. Good

question! That is something I learned from moderating several groups

in the

past few years.

Jane in TN

Physical Therapy

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>

> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

> College.

> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

> that

> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

> that the

> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come

> with a

> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

> major

> factor as well.

>

> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

> day.

> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

> a very

> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

> times

> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>

> Jane Tatum

> Tennessee

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly why I am now under the care of another doctor. He seems very

conservative...and not " surgery hungry " . I am in quite a bit of pain since

changing doctors and no Loritab having been prescribed by this one but

hoping that he is going to have some ideas to get rid of some of this stuff.

I just know that after an EMG and CT he said absolutely no way do you need

more surgery on your neck. So I loved him instantly! LOL

Physical Therapy

>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>>

>> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

>> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

>> College.

>> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

>> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

>> that

>> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

>> that the

>> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

>> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come

>> with a

>> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

>> major

>> factor as well.

>>

>> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

>> day.

>> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

>> a very

>> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

>> times

>> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>>

>> Jane Tatum

>> Tennessee

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

try UltramER...it works very well and lasts 24 hours, its a synthetic narcotic,

docs usually are more willing to prescribe this long term.

---

 

 

>>

>> From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>> Subject: Physical Therapy

>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>>

>> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

>> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

>> College.

>> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

>> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

>> that

>> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

>> that the

>> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

>> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come

>> with a

>> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

>> major

>> factor as well.

>>

>> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

>> day.

>> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

>> a very

>> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

>> times

>> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>>

>> Jane Tatum

>> Tennessee

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Again not to dispute but have you taken Ultram ER? Its effective for chronic

low level continuous pain but it does not " get on top of " big breakthrough pain.

If ULtram worked that well, it would have replaced more common opiates years

ago. Physicians love it because its not classified the same as narcotics. My GP

will write Ultram but sends patients to the " pain clinic " for anything

stronger.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 18:43:52 -0700

Subject: Re: Physical Therapy

try UltramER...it works very well and lasts 24 hours, its a synthetic narcotic,

docs usually are more willing to prescribe this long term.

---

>>

>> From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

>> Subject: Physical Therapy

>> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

>>

>> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that the best physical

>> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from Texas State Women's

>> College.

>> I think his expertise is why I have been able to walk again after my

>> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on December 29, 2008. I know

>> that

>> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered from my surgery and

>> that the

>> pain I deal with daily is just something that is part of life. I just

>> wanted to make the point that talent and professionalism can come

>> with a

>> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for doing a good job is a

>> major

>> factor as well.

>>

>> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly read the posts every

>> day.

>> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with spinal issues have

>> a very

>> special bond, and the ability to support each other through difficult

>> times

>> is a major factor in all of our lives.

>>

>> Jane Tatum

>> Tennessee

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I have taken Ultram for 5 years now and a few months ago switched to the ER

formulation. It has been life changing for me, my break through pain has all but

disappeared as it lasts 24 hours, there is no low point in coverage. It lasts

through the night and until the morning. For those with severe pain, short

acting narcotic may be needed for breakthrough pain. But it should take the edge

off enough to make the pain manageable...which is key. Docs would prefer to

prescribe a short acting narcotic for breakthough pain than for continuous pain.

Also, when a short acting is used only occasionally, it will remain effective

for a much longer period of time.

---

> >>

> >> From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> >> Subject: Physical

> Therapy

> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

> >>

> >> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that

> the best physical

> >> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from

> Texas State Women's

> >> College.

> >> I think his expertise is why I have been able to

> walk again after my

> >> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on

> December 29, 2008. I know

> >> that

> >> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered

> from my surgery and

> >> that the

> >> pain I deal with daily is just something that is

> part of life. I just

> >> wanted to make the point that talent and

> professionalism can come

> >> with a

> >> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for

> doing a good job is a

> >> major

> >> factor as well.

> >>

> >> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly

> read the posts every

> >> day.

> >> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with

> spinal issues have

> >> a very

> >> special bond, and the ability to support each

> other through difficult

> >> times

> >> is a major factor in all of our lives.

> >>

> >> Jane Tatum

> >> Tennessee

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >>

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Docs would prefer to prescribe a short acting narcotic for breakthough pain than

for continuous pain. Also, when a short acting is used only occasionally, it

will remain effective for a much longer period of time.

No doubt about that. I was referring to my siatica, which for some reason

punches through with burning and stabbing and makes my life miserable in the

afternoons. Mornings are managed effectively with ultram or ultraset, sometimes

even Tylenol arthritis. But stronger meds are needed for the PM.

True story though. One has to be disciplined about opiate useage. You absolutely

must not take them when the pain is under control with something else because

efective relief when you need it is what it is all about.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 07:24:32 -0700

Subject: RE: Physical Therapy

I have taken Ultram for 5 years now and a few months ago switched to the ER

formulation. It has been life changing for me, my break through pain has all but

disappeared as it lasts 24 hours, there is no low point in coverage. It lasts

through the night and until the morning. For those with severe pain, short

acting narcotic may be needed for breakthrough pain. But it should take the edge

off enough to make the pain manageable...which is key. Docs would prefer to

prescribe a short acting narcotic for breakthough pain than for continuous pain.

Also, when a short acting is used only occasionally, it will remain effective

for a much longer period of time.

---

> >>

> >> From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT) net>

> >> Subject: Physical

> Therapy

> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

> >>

> >> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that

> the best physical

> >> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from

> Texas State Women's

> >> College.

> >> I think his expertise is why I have been able to

> walk again after my

> >> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on

> December 29, 2008. I know

> >> that

> >> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered

> from my surgery and

> >> that the

> >> pain I deal with daily is just something that is

> part of life. I just

> >> wanted to make the point that talent and

> professionalism can come

> >> with a

> >> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for

> doing a good job is a

> >> major

> >> factor as well.

> >>

> >> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly

> read the posts every

> >> day.

> >> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with

> spinal issues have

> >> a very

> >> special bond, and the ability to support each

> other through difficult

> >> times

> >> is a major factor in all of our lives.

> >>

> >> Jane Tatum

> >> Tennessee

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >>

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I would be tempted to buy something off the street this morning. My neck

pain is almost suffocating it is so strong today. Changing doctors

means I have nothing here for this nasty pain. Oh well....life goes on.

This much pain is becoming normal for me. If you are in the Nashville area

and are going to a pain clinic someplace where you are treated well please

email me off list. Thank you! Jane in TN

Physical

> Therapy

> >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> >> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

> >>

> >> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say that

> the best physical

> >> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree from

> Texas State Women's

> >> College.

> >> I think his expertise is why I have been able to

> walk again after my

> >> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on

> December 29, 2008. I know

> >> that

> >> I have a lot of time yet to go to get recovered

> from my surgery and

> >> that the

> >> pain I deal with daily is just something that is

> part of life. I just

> >> wanted to make the point that talent and

> professionalism can come

> >> with a

> >> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern for

> doing a good job is a

> >> major

> >> factor as well.

> >>

> >> I enjoy being a part of this group and certainly

> read the posts every

> >> day.

> >> All of us who are in the situation of dealing with

> spinal issues have

> >> a very

> >> special bond, and the ability to support each

> other through difficult

> >> times

> >> is a major factor in all of our lives.

> >>

> >> Jane Tatum

> >> Tennessee

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >>

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hey Tracey,

I tried the ultram er and it made me sick as a dog. I mean like a stomach virus,

had my guts hurting and very sick. I had taken the ultram before but just not

the er and it was okay. I've had problems with other er drugs like the diabetes

medicine glucophage er. So I must have a problem with whatever it is that makes

it extended release. Go figure. I'll not ever take that stuff again tho. I even

tried it a second time cause I thought I might have actually gotten a stomach

virus but it did the same thing again. I wish I knew of a drug besides these

lortabs that would help long term that I could tolerate.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely . it is because of my judicial use of narcotics that I can get

relief from the Ultram now. I didn't get any relief when I was taking Percocet

on a regular basis. It wasn't until I droppped the narcs with the exception of

break-though pain that I got relief. I am now able to get relief of

break-through pain with Tylenol #4...which is amazing!

When i do need some, I start with only a half tab...my goal is necver to take

the pain away...although that would be lovely...but it's to make it manageable.

I have to rely on these meds to work for me for a lifetime...so I'm extra

careful. Also, when you do that, you increase your pain tolerance a lot. When

you take narcs often, you get used to that level of pain control, so levels of

pain which were acceptable before...become difficult to bear. Narcs can be

difficult to manage and lead you on a ride if you aren't careful.

I know some people scoff when I say Ultram can work on the pain and they have to

cut back and or stop the narcs for that to happen...but it's true. They will

adjust to the pain levels and the narcs will become more effective. The

motivating thought for me was that if I kept going, I was soon going to run out

of anything that will work if I didn't stop the process. So, I stopped it before

it got to that point.People here say that their pain is just too high that the

Ultram doesn't work...and it's NOT that. Believe me, I have had six surgeries

and have continued to work, many times in agonizing pain. I worked in so much

pain that I developed a heart condition. But now it's better, and the Ultram ER

has changed my life. It never wears off! I don't have to stop and take meds all

day! So I'm able to forget about my chronic pain and live my life. I feel like a

normal person!

---

> > >>

> > >> From: Jane Tatum <janetatumcharter (DOT)

> net>

> > >> Subject: Physical

> > Therapy

> > >> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro

> ups.com

> > >> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:40 AM

> > >>

> > >> I am coming out of total lurkdom here to say

> that

> > the best physical

> > >> therapist I have ever met had a BS degree

> from

> > Texas State Women's

> > >> College.

> > >> I think his expertise is why I have been able

> to

> > walk again after my

> > >> laminectormy and posterior lumbar fusion on

> > December 29, 2008. I know

> > >> that

> > >> I have a lot of time yet to go to get

> recovered

> > from my surgery and

> > >> that the

> > >> pain I deal with daily is just something that

> is

> > part of life. I just

> > >> wanted to make the point that talent and

> > professionalism can come

> > >> with a

> > >> lesser amount of training. Genuine concern

> for

> > doing a good job is a

> > >> major

> > >> factor as well.

> > >>

> > >> I enjoy being a part of this group and

> certainly

> > read the posts every

> > >> day.

> > >> All of us who are in the situation of dealing

> with

> > spinal issues have

> > >> a very

> > >> special bond, and the ability to support

> each

> > other through difficult

> > >> times

> > >> is a major factor in all of our lives.

> > >>

> > >> Jane Tatum

> > >> Tennessee

> > >>

> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >>

> > >> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >>

> > >>