Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 In a message dated 4/24/05 0:32:38, leslie@... writes: Obviously, this isn't something I make a habit of doing, but I wanted to measure the difference just to ask you about it. Is this something people can do, and what do you think is physically happening? If it is possible to do this, is it possible to learn to do the opposite? Most likely a machine error. Do you have the right size cuff and have you read out chapter on how to do it right. Never bet your life on a machine. May your pressure be low! Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes. Listed in Best Doctors in America Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 , Dr Grim may correct me, but I think what he means when he says " I/we don't know what to do with it, " referring to BP readings made when active or w/o standard protocalls is that all the medical lit. is based on lab readings at rest, both arms, etc., so you'd have to start bracketing everything else if the other type of readings were used. So much history of Dx, treatment, Px, etc. is already based on it as a mean or average to compare to other people or other individual pt. contexts for testing. Dave On Apr 23, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Malotky wrote: > This may sound strange, but I have to ask... all of this talk about > how to lower BP in ways that supplement your medication got me > wondering why I can raise my BP voluntarily but not lower it. It > seems that if you can do one, you should be able to do the other (I > can raise my arm up and lower it...). My husband thinks I'm the only > person who can raise their own blood pressure on demand. Can anyone > else? (Sorry, I can't explain how anymore than someone else can tell > me how to wiggle my ears, but I don't change positions or anything). > To give you an example, I took my BP several times and it ranged from > 128 - 126 over 86 - 92. I then " raised " my BP to 215/124 (heart rate > also goes up 20 - 30 bpm). Few minutes later I'm back down to 139/94, > not by doing anything other than stopping what I did to raise it. > This just isn't on my machine at home, I've seen the same thing on > other machines. > > Obviously, this isn't something I make a habit of doing, but I wanted > to measure the difference just to ask you about it. Is this something > people can do, and what do you think is physically happening? If it > is possible to do this, is it possible to learn to do the opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 There are a number of ways to acutely increase BP. One way is to squeeze a ball as hard as you can and then estimate about how hard you would have to squeeze to squeeze 25%. Then squeeze 25% with one arm while the BP is taken in the other arm every 2 min til you cant hold the squeeze anymore. This is called the isometric contraction reaction. Some react more than others. Next is the cold pressor test. Take BP every min for 5 min then place you hand into water with ice floating in it. Keep it there for 5 min and measure BP every min in the opposite arm. This is called the cold pressor test. The Mayo used to use this to test who will develop HTN in the future. The Ho was that those who went up atleat 30 mm Hg when they had normal BP were more likely to become HTN in the future. I have dont his test myself and it is really a pain test as many cant keep their hand in for 1 minute. I would only trust the listened to BP for such testing to be sure the BP was changing however. CE Grim, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Would be interested in exactly what you are doing and suspect it may be interfering with the machine reading the BP. CE Grim, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 In a message dated 4/26/05 5:59:16 PM, dave@... writes: , Dr Grim may correct me, but I think what he means when he says "I/we don't know what to do with it," referring to BP readings made when active or w/o standard protocalls is that all the medical lit. is based on lab readings at rest, both arms, etc., so you'd have to start bracketing everything else if the other type of readings were used. So much history of Dx, treatment, Px, etc. is already based on it as a mean or average to compare to other people or other individual pt. contexts for testing. Dave You've got it right. CE Grim, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Thanks, Dave. I'd be willing to demonstrate exactly what happens with a real live person doing the readings. I can take 3 - 4 readings in a row on my machine and have them consistent, then consciously and intentionally increase my BP to where it reads up to 70 points higher on the same machine (again, this happens without me physically changing positions or moving a muscle). I've been able to repeat this on drug store machines, Dr. office machines that are take your BP every few minutes for monitoring purposes, etc. I have never actually asked a nurse or Dr. to do the reading manually to confirm what the machines seem to be reading. I always figured they'd either think I was crazy, or rush me to the ER.... however, Dr. Grim's suggestion did lead to a possible conclusion that I had not considered - perhaps whatever it is I'm doing has no physical effect on my body but telepathetically causes the machines to malfunction. I have this same problem with computers..... :-) Yes, I'm kidding. Re: curiosity , Dr Grim may correct me, but I think what he means when he says "I/we don't know what to do with it," referring to BP readings made when active or w/o standard protocalls is that all the medical lit. is based on lab readings at rest, both arms, etc., so you'd have to start bracketing everything else if the other type of readings were used. So much history of Dx, treatment, Px, etc. is already based on it as a mean or average to compare to other people or other individual pt. contexts for testing.DaveOn Apr 23, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Malotky wrote: This may sound strange, but I have to ask... all of this talk about how to lower BP in ways that supplement your medication got me wondering why I can raise my BP voluntarily but not lower it. It seems that if you can do one, you should be able to do the other (I can raise my arm up and lower it...). My husband thinks I'm the only person who can raise their own blood pressure on demand. Can anyone else? (Sorry, I can't explain how anymore than someone else can tell me how to wiggle my ears, but I don't change positions or anything). To give you an example, I took my BP several times and it ranged from 128 - 126 over 86 - 92. I then "raised" my BP to 215/124 (heart rate also goes up 20 - 30 bpm). Few minutes later I'm back down to 139/94, not by doing anything other than stopping what I did to raise it. This just isn't on my machine at home, I've seen the same thing on other machines. Obviously, this isn't something I make a habit of doing, but I wanted to measure the difference just to ask you about it. Is this something people can do, and what do you think is physically happening? If it is possible to do this, is it possible to learn to do the opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Well, that's the strange thing. I am doing something but it is not noticeable from the outside and I can't really describe how I do it. It feels a bit like an adrenaline rush... like the butterflies in your stomach that come right before you do something that makes you nervous. It raises my heart rate noticeably. We have a medical dept. at work, but I don't really trust their skill at accurately measuring BP... however, I could ask them to try it with me. My nephrologist has left his practice so I'm without qualified medical supervision until you open your clinic. ;-) Re: curiosity Would be interested in exactly what you are doing and suspect it may be interfering with the machine reading the BP. CE Grim, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I am working on it. CE Grim, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Rainbow wrote:> But.... You can know that a thousand words wouldn't completely > describe what you can see on my profile at: > http:// profiles./curveofcolors Color me impressed! See mine at: clay_adams2000 (I think that will get it.) There's a webpage, too. > A painter! Wow! I used to be, too old for it now. I've been a Home Health Aide for 13 yrs now. I'm an English savant, and if math ability was rated on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd be at about 2. I'm totally left out when it come to skills like math, mechanics, or anything to do with technology. I like woodworking, though.> With a name like 'Clay' I would have imagined you at your kiln firing pots! Never had the opportunity to do that, but always wanted to. Clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 > Clay: "See mine at: clay_adams2000 Sweet words, Clay.Nice to know you! Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 wow good luck!!!!! In a message dated 09/07/09 08:50:09 Eastern Daylight Time, rebeccamaas@... writes: ,It's been a little over 2 years - July of 2007. How time flies > >> > Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Dyann, I'm trying to see why it hurts so much all of a sudden..I thought it was getting a little easier...Started therapy this week so i'm trying to figure out why it feels stiffer all of a sudden...Don't know whether to continue therapy or wait a while maybe it's too soon?....Have to ask my doctor tomorrow. Thanks, In a message dated 09/07/09 18:52:56 Eastern Daylight Time, dyanndiamond@... writes: Now that you mention it....yes!-Dyann From: lcuddles <amb1840aol>Subject: [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------------------------------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Dyann you'll laugh at me but i'm watching your progress because you are two months ahead of me...At least I have someone to give me an idea what's next lol sarah In a message dated 09/07/09 18:52:56 Eastern Daylight Time, dyanndiamond@... writes: Now that you mention it....yes!-Dyann From: lcuddles <amb1840aol>Subject: [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------------------------------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 , I hope you had your doctors permission to begin therapy in the first place! I know that everyone's doctors seem to have a different timeframe for beginning therapy, but they all seem to be fairly cautious early on! Let us know what the doctor says. Take Care, Cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Hey ,I feel like it's sort of a roller coaster. You start with lots of bad days... gradually have more good days... soon have more good than bad. Then one day I over do it and pay for it for the next two days. This weekend I went to the gym for the first time without the brace. I did everything the Dr. said I could... 15 minutes on the recumbant bike, 15 minutes with leg stretching and 3 lbs weights while on my back. But my core is sooooo mushy that it was too much.I just have to find the right starting point and gradually build-up over months, not weeks. I already feel much better than a month ago, but I can still push it without even realizing it.-Dyann From: lcuddles <amb1840aol (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------ --------- --------- ------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Wow Dyann you sound like me just when I thought it was getting a little and I mean little better it got hard again!!!!....You sound like me with the stomach being so mushy now....grrrrrr........The same thing happens to me when I over do it,the next two days I pay for it also!....Please keep me posted!!!....I feel like I'm following in your footsteps! Thanks, In a message dated 09/08/09 19:19:12 Eastern Daylight Time, dyanndiamond@... writes: Hey , I feel like it's sort of a roller coaster. You start with lots of bad days... gradually have more good days... soon have more good than bad. Then one day I over do it and pay for it for the next two days. This weekend I went to the gym for the first time without the brace. I did everything the Dr. said I could... 15 minutes on the recumbant bike, 15 minutes with leg stretching and 3 lbs weights while on my back. But my core is sooooo mushy that it was too much. I just have to find the right starting point and gradually build-up over months, not weeks. I already feel much better than a month ago, but I can still push it without even realizing it. -Dyann From: lcuddles <amb1840aol (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------ --------- --------- ------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Just curious if anyone is losing their hair after the operation?...I know it's normal but when does it stop?....What month?,,,Mine started in my second month and now I'm in my third month.......I had front and back so my stomach is still swollen.....Boy, this operation reminds me of having a baby without a baby in the end lol!!!!! In a message dated 09/07/09 22:15:58 Eastern Daylight Time, amb1840 writes: Dyann you'll laugh at me but i'm watching your progress because you are two months ahead of me...At least I have someone to give me an idea what's next lol sarah In a message dated 09/07/09 18:52:56 Eastern Daylight Time, dyanndiamond writes: Now that you mention it....yes!-Dyann From: lcuddles <amb1840aol>Subject: [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------------------------------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I lost my hair too but I honestly don't remember when it stopped! Peggy [ ] curiosity Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:23 PM Does anyone who has had the revision surgery get a stiffer back from the time of the month ?...It seems to hit the lower back more at that time?------------------------------------scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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