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I noticed that some of you guys have been talking about getting tested for

the antibodies. Should you do this periodically for some reason or once you

are positive once is there any need to do it again. The doctor hasn't said

anything about retesting to me, but it seems like I have to ask everything or

I'll never know. He doesn't volunteer much information.

Also my antismooth muscle did not come back in a titer either. It just said

postive 161. Does that mean 1:161? And is that extremely high? It is so

frustrating. There are so many questions, and it seems so hard to get

answers. Maybe one of you guys know.

Audra

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There at two ways, that I know of, you can report ANA and SMA and AMA

results..Ones the ratio ie 1:80. The other is a titer such as yours

was.. Ive seen it reported both ways.

Jody

--- ADilli5783@... wrote:

> From: ADilli5783@...

>

> I noticed that some of you guys have been talking

> about getting tested for

> the antibodies. Should you do this periodically for

> some reason or once you

> are positive once is there any need to do it again.

> The doctor hasn't said

> anything about retesting to me, but it seems like I

> have to ask everything or

> I'll never know. He doesn't volunteer much

> information.

>

> Also my antismooth muscle did not come back in a

> titer either. It just said

> postive 161. Does that mean 1:161? And is that

> extremely high? It is so

> frustrating. There are so many questions, and it

> seems so hard to get

> answers. Maybe one of you guys know.

>

> Audra

>

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But, is that only if you have tested positive, ie,

there will be more of a buildup of the antibodies as

hypothyroidism increases in your body or that you can

have the antibodies or not.

Maybe someone could ask their doctor.

My new endo said that she won't test me for them again

b/c a few years ago I tested negative. But, couldn't

that be that my body just hasn't created them yet?

I don't know, I'm not a scientist or doctor, but what

my doc said didn't make sense.

Thanks

Jill

--- rja86@... wrote:

> Jill,

> My endo said antibodies CAN fluctuate. ;)

>

>

>

>

>

> Love,

>

> Reneé and Jerry

> rja86@...

>

>

>

>

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Jill,

My husband is a doctor and I asked him if it's possible to test negative for

the antibodies and then later test positive. He said depending on the stage

of the disease, yes it is possible. Just as you suspected, if you had the

initial blood work drawn before the antibody titer was high enough to be

detected they wouldn't show up. He said he will often retest in 6 weeks if a

patient is initially negative for the antibodies.

I didn't ask him about the next idea, but I would think that just because

someone tests negative doesn't mean years later they can't become positive.

That's like saying if your cholesterol is normal today it will always be

normal. Also, we all know that when a person is exposed to AIDS they may

initially test negative to the antibodies but 3-6 months later could be

positive. That's why as a nurse if I stick myself with a needle of an AIDS

patient I would have to be checked for 6 months before they would say I'm

okay. It seems to me it would be the same with this.

So as far as I'm concerned you're right. Your doctors thinking doesn't make

sense. I would call her on it.

Good luck,

Tammy

Re: Antibodies

> But, is that only if you have tested positive, ie,

> there will be more of a buildup of the antibodies as

> hypothyroidism increases in your body or that you can

> have the antibodies or not.

>

> Maybe someone could ask their doctor.

>

> My new endo said that she won't test me for them again

> b/c a few years ago I tested negative. But, couldn't

> that be that my body just hasn't created them yet?

>

> I don't know, I'm not a scientist or doctor, but what

> my doc said didn't make sense.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jill

>

> --- rja86@... wrote:

> > Jill,

> > My endo said antibodies CAN fluctuate. ;)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Reneé and Jerry

> > rja86@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Thanks!

I think I will call her b/c she also said that she

would run some additional thyroid tests and all that

she ran was the same three tests ran two months ago.

Thanks,

Jill

Oh, she said that the uptake was low b/c of my birth

control pill but I read that it actually increases the

level of T-3 and T-4 not deacreases it. Have you ever

heard that?

--- Tammy Fuller <tfuller@...> wrote:

> Jill,

> My husband is a doctor and I asked him if it's

> possible to test negative for

> the antibodies and then later test positive. He said

> depending on the stage

> of the disease, yes it is possible. Just as you

> suspected, if you had the

> initial blood work drawn before the antibody titer

> was high enough to be

> detected they wouldn't show up. He said he will

> often retest in 6 weeks if a

> patient is initially negative for the antibodies.

> I didn't ask him about the next idea, but I would

> think that just because

> someone tests negative doesn't mean years later they

> can't become positive.

> That's like saying if your cholesterol is normal

> today it will always be

> normal. Also, we all know that when a person is

> exposed to AIDS they may

> initially test negative to the antibodies but 3-6

> months later could be

> positive. That's why as a nurse if I stick myself

> with a needle of an AIDS

> patient I would have to be checked for 6 months

> before they would say I'm

> okay. It seems to me it would be the same with this.

> So as far as I'm concerned you're right. Your

> doctors thinking doesn't make

> sense. I would call her on it.

> Good luck,

> Tammy

>

> Re: Antibodies

>

>

> > But, is that only if you have tested positive, ie,

> > there will be more of a buildup of the antibodies

> as

> > hypothyroidism increases in your body or that you

> can

> > have the antibodies or not.

> >

> > Maybe someone could ask their doctor.

> >

> > My new endo said that she won't test me for them

> again

> > b/c a few years ago I tested negative. But,

> couldn't

> > that be that my body just hasn't created them yet?

> >

> > I don't know, I'm not a scientist or doctor, but

> what

> > my doc said didn't make sense.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Jill

> >

> > --- rja86@... wrote:

> > > Jill,

> > > My endo said antibodies CAN fluctuate. ;)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Reneé and Jerry

> > > rja86@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Guest guest

, I too have antibodies and am on medication for life. I have

probably had low thyroid function all my life and I'm past 50. You

can do some things to feel better now, even before the dr. says what

he will do.

I lived with it, without a diagnosis until 18 months ago. I have

always taken a good multi vitamin. I now know I should have increased

my iodine intake, either from salt or kelp or something. I would

suggest you become a label reader and avoid anything that has soy in

it. Anything that increases your estrogens will adversely affect your

thyroid function and conversion. There is also a list of foods that

seem to inhibit thyroid function.

I take extra vitamins C, E and selenium and biotin. All seem to

enhance the medication and I think would have helped without meds but

I started them after I started meds.

The archives here at the list are full of helpful things. There are

many good books also with lots of information. Take charge of your

life and don't let anyone, including yourself label you as lazy. I've

heard that too many times in my life and about my family. Antibodies

also tend to run in families so begin looking at others to see if they

have them as well.

Learn all you can. You will need to know the info. Some drs. know

sort of what to do, others are clueless. Most go strictly by the

numbers which are meaningless for autoimmune hypot people. Joan

> My doctor did a antibodies test and found them, what does this mean,

> he will not tell me till the 19th. Does anyone have any information.

> Thanks

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I am also progestrone (spell wrong) lacking. The doctor put me on a hormone

replacement about a month ago, I was not producing the hormone at all. Now I am

taking twice a day with my synthyroid. The 19th he says he will change a few

things. So i need extra salt. Good. I cut my coffee already and pop. Eating a

more natural food line. I try to swim once a day, but having energy is a joke.

Thanks for the information. Angie

hendersonteacher <hendersonteacher@...> wrote:, I too have

antibodies and am on medication for life. I have

probably had low thyroid function all my life and I'm past 50. You

can do some things to feel better now, even before the dr. says what

he will do.

I lived with it, without a diagnosis until 18 months ago. I have

always taken a good multi vitamin. I now know I should have increased

my iodine intake, either from salt or kelp or something. I would

suggest you become a label reader and avoid anything that has soy in

it. Anything that increases your estrogens will adversely affect your

thyroid function and conversion. There is also a list of foods that

seem to inhibit thyroid function.

I take extra vitamins C, E and selenium and biotin. All seem to

enhance the medication and I think would have helped without meds but

I started them after I started meds.

The archives here at the list are full of helpful things. There are

many good books also with lots of information. Take charge of your

life and don't let anyone, including yourself label you as lazy. I've

heard that too many times in my life and about my family. Antibodies

also tend to run in families so begin looking at others to see if they

have them as well.

Learn all you can. You will need to know the info. Some drs. know

sort of what to do, others are clueless. Most go strictly by the

numbers which are meaningless for autoimmune hypot people. Joan

> My doctor did a antibodies test and found them, what does this mean,

> he will not tell me till the 19th. Does anyone have any information.

> Thanks

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Hi ,

what type of HRT are you on?

Kerry

Re: Re: Antibodies

I am also progestrone (spell wrong) lacking. The doctor put me on a

hormone replacement about a month ago, I was not producing the hormone

at all. Now I am taking twice a day with my synthyroid. The 19th he says

he will change a few things. So i need extra salt. Good. I cut my coffee

already and pop. Eating a more natural food line. I try to swim once a

day, but having energy is a joke. Thanks for the information. Angie

hendersonteacher <hendersonteacher@...> wrote:, I too have

antibodies and am on medication for life. I have

probably had low thyroid function all my life and I'm past 50. You

can do some things to feel better now, even before the dr. says what

he will do.

I lived with it, without a diagnosis until 18 months ago. I have

always taken a good multi vitamin. I now know I should have increased

my iodine intake, either from salt or kelp or something. I would

suggest you become a label reader and avoid anything that has soy in

it. Anything that increases your estrogens will adversely affect your

thyroid function and conversion. There is also a list of foods that

seem to inhibit thyroid function.

I take extra vitamins C, E and selenium and biotin. All seem to

enhance the medication and I think would have helped without meds but

I started them after I started meds.

The archives here at the list are full of helpful things. There are

many good books also with lots of information. Take charge of your

life and don't let anyone, including yourself label you as lazy. I've

heard that too many times in my life and about my family. Antibodies

also tend to run in families so begin looking at others to see if they

have them as well.

Learn all you can. You will need to know the info. Some drs. know

sort of what to do, others are clueless. Most go strictly by the

numbers which are meaningless for autoimmune hypot people. Joan

> My doctor did a antibodies test and found them, what does this mean,

> he will not tell me till the 19th. Does anyone have any information.

> Thanks

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I am on a cream hormone that you rub into your arms or breasts twice a day. It's

suppose to the most natural form of the hormone I am lacking. Angie

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:Hi ,

what type of HRT are you on?

Kerry

Re: Re: Antibodies

I am also progestrone (spell wrong) lacking. The doctor put me on a

hormone replacement about a month ago, I was not producing the hormone

at all. Now I am taking twice a day with my synthyroid. The 19th he says

he will change a few things. So i need extra salt. Good. I cut my coffee

already and pop. Eating a more natural food line. I try to swim once a

day, but having energy is a joke. Thanks for the information. Angie

hendersonteacher <hendersonteacher@...> wrote:, I too have

antibodies and am on medication for life. I have

probably had low thyroid function all my life and I'm past 50. You

can do some things to feel better now, even before the dr. says what

he will do.

I lived with it, without a diagnosis until 18 months ago. I have

always taken a good multi vitamin. I now know I should have increased

my iodine intake, either from salt or kelp or something. I would

suggest you become a label reader and avoid anything that has soy in

it. Anything that increases your estrogens will adversely affect your

thyroid function and conversion. There is also a list of foods that

seem to inhibit thyroid function.

I take extra vitamins C, E and selenium and biotin. All seem to

enhance the medication and I think would have helped without meds but

I started them after I started meds.

The archives here at the list are full of helpful things. There are

many good books also with lots of information. Take charge of your

life and don't let anyone, including yourself label you as lazy. I've

heard that too many times in my life and about my family. Antibodies

also tend to run in families so begin looking at others to see if they

have them as well.

Learn all you can. You will need to know the info. Some drs. know

sort of what to do, others are clueless. Most go strictly by the

numbers which are meaningless for autoimmune hypot people. Joan

> My doctor did a antibodies test and found them, what does this mean,

> he will not tell me till the 19th. Does anyone have any information.

> Thanks

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I'v been on Xolair since March,2005. I been having too many infections

and have been on high doses of prednisone. My doctor took a blood test

and it shows that my antibodies are low. He sent me to an immunologist

and he took blood tests too. He said if they come back low too this is

why I keep getting infections. He also said I might need

transfussions??? to bring up my gammaglobulin. Is anyone having a

problem like this??

In June of 2005 I asked if anyone was hairing loss of hair and no one

was at that time. Well now a lot of people are complaining about hair

loss. I'm wondering if this is going to be the case with antibodies

too.

Kathy

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That is true.

Our immune systems will almost always produce antibodies against a foreign

invading bacteria, virus and/or protozoa.

Sometimes, the immune system alone can fight off the infection and we will get

sick for a time, but will get better. This happens with the common cold.

With other infections, especially bacterial, we need to help the immune system

by killing the bacteria with antibiotics. Some bacteria will be eliminated by

our immune system without antibiotics. Bb has proven to not be

" self-resolving " , it will not resolve on its own. Antibiotics must be taken to

kill the bacteria allowing the immune system to " clean up " the remnants left

behind by the antibiotics.

With that said, there are folks who believe with the correct specialized natural

medicine, that Bb can be fought naturally. This can include natural

antibacterial supplements and immune boosting supplements. Even if you

prescribe to this theory, Bb is still not " self-resolving " because the immune

system can't fight the infection without help.

Being vaccinated and contracting the disease will both begin the immune process.

=)

Robynn

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But it doesn't work right? I mean, the human body cannot successfully

fight Lyme by itself, ie. without antibiotics?.....even if a person has

been vaccinated and has produced anti bodies before an infection, it

still won't be able to fight off and kill the spirochettes on its own;

anti biotics will still be needed?

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This is certainly a valid theory.

I think until we have more advanced technology we'll never know how many Bb

spirochetes our immune systems are killing and where in the human body.

Testing is fallible for MANY reasons. Yes, if one is testing blood but most

of the spirochetes are living and reproducing in the Central Nervous System,

a test that looks for Bb would miss the spirochetes.

However most tests look for antibodies not Bb, and those antibodies will be

in the blood system no matter where the Bb is at. The circulatory system

(blood) is how good and bad organisms travel around the body. So even if Bb

is attacking nerve cells, the immune system would still produce antibodies

against Bb and send those antibodies into the system via the blood stream.

An accurate antibody test would be able to detect the antibodies from blood

samples no matter where the Bb spirochetes were hiding. At this time there

is no 100% accurate, scientifically valid antibody test.

=)

Robynn

Re: [ ] The first vaccine against Lyme disease was

correct me if I am wrong robynn

lyme disease is fought by the immune system but there are hiding spots for

the organism in the brain and reproduction organs that it is never fully

killed...also when testing for lyme in some cases the infection is in the

nerves and not the blood and that is why it is hard to pick up on stantard

tests...

eric

Robynn@... wrote:

Unless there is an odd underlying cause, everyone produces antibodies to

Borrelia burgdorferi. In fact, different antibodies are produced for the

various kinds of proteins found on the bacteria. Unless the immune system

is negatively affected by a medical condition (other than Lyme) or

immuno-suppresant drugs, antibodies will be produced at " normal " levels in

everyone.

The problem with the antibody tests, (ELISA and Western Blot) isn't that

there are no antibodies present, but often times the antibody the test is

looking for has bound to the antigen, causing the test to miss the antibody

creating a false negative. Also, the Western Blot can use different

" primers " to detect the antibodies, some of these primers are better at

seeing the antibodies than others. This is the largest reason why some labs

have more accurate testing than others.

There are even more reasons that are somewhat complicated for me to get into

at this time as to why the antibody tests are fallible. The important thing

to note is that YES, the immune system does recognize Bb as an invader and

YES it does create antibodies to fight Bb. (This in fact creates the

auto-immune issues so many of us face.)

=)

Robynn

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