Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Highly recommend that you look into ellagic acid , have a client who came in yesterday , and told me her Dr said she now has no cancer has been using ellagic Acid 6 months , also have a friend who had cancer of the pancreas given 90 days to live , in 90 days cancer free . Tahnks Houser Nuherb Shop Ral NC 919 875 1005 > I had remembered reading about Milk Thistle and liver tumors and looked for > the article, my Husband has cancer which has spread to the liver so I have > been reading everything I can, and because of the benefits of Milk thistle I felt > it would help until I read the article in cancer alternatives. I included the > web pages that had the warning. > Rosemary > <A HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm " >Alternative Cancer Therapies</A> <A HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% 20Care " > > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% 20Care</A> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Highly recommend that you look into ellagic acid , have a client who came in yesterday , and told me her Dr said she now has no cancer has been using ellagic Acid 6 months , also have a friend who had cancer of the pancreas given 90 days to live , in 90 days cancer free . Tahnks Houser Nuherb Shop Ral NC 919 875 1005 > I had remembered reading about Milk Thistle and liver tumors and looked for > the article, my Husband has cancer which has spread to the liver so I have > been reading everything I can, and because of the benefits of Milk thistle I felt > it would help until I read the article in cancer alternatives. I included the > web pages that had the warning. > Rosemary > <A HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm " >Alternative Cancer Therapies</A> <A HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% 20Care " > > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% 20Care</A> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 What does anyone know about Ellagic Acid for treatment with lobular breast cancer? Has anyone ever combined this with arimidex? Thanks, Ann Kondax > > From: " Houser " <nuherb@...> > Date: 2003/11/22 Sat PM 02:22:31 CST > cures for cancer > Subject: Re: Alternative therapies > > Highly recommend that you look into ellagic acid , have a client who > came in yesterday , and told me her Dr said she now has no cancer has > been using ellagic Acid 6 months , also have a friend who had cancer > of the pancreas given 90 days to live , in 90 days cancer free . > Tahnks Houser Nuherb Shop Ral NC 919 875 1005 > > > > > > > > > I had remembered reading about Milk Thistle and liver tumors and > looked for > > the article, my Husband has cancer which has spread to the liver so > I have > > been reading everything I can, and because of the benefits of Milk > thistle I felt > > it would help until I read the article in cancer alternatives. I > included the > > web pages that had the warning. > > Rosemary > > <A > HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm " >Alternative > Cancer Therapies</A> <A > HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% > 20Care " > > > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% > 20Care</A> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 What does anyone know about Ellagic Acid for treatment with lobular breast cancer? Has anyone ever combined this with arimidex? Thanks, Ann Kondax > > From: " Houser " <nuherb@...> > Date: 2003/11/22 Sat PM 02:22:31 CST > cures for cancer > Subject: Re: Alternative therapies > > Highly recommend that you look into ellagic acid , have a client who > came in yesterday , and told me her Dr said she now has no cancer has > been using ellagic Acid 6 months , also have a friend who had cancer > of the pancreas given 90 days to live , in 90 days cancer free . > Tahnks Houser Nuherb Shop Ral NC 919 875 1005 > > > > > > > > > I had remembered reading about Milk Thistle and liver tumors and > looked for > > the article, my Husband has cancer which has spread to the liver so > I have > > been reading everything I can, and because of the benefits of Milk > thistle I felt > > it would help until I read the article in cancer alternatives. I > included the > > web pages that had the warning. > > Rosemary > > <A > HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm " >Alternative > Cancer Therapies</A> <A > HREF= " http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% > 20Care " > > > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/detox.htm#Continued%20Liver% > 20Care</A> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hi Glad to hear you had success with it. You don't need to go to a class although it's good for getting the practise in. Also if you want a certificate. A good book on the subject and lots of practise on family and friends if you just want to get more adept at it. I believe it is quite intuitive anyway and if you tune in you can be guided instinctively. There are courses here where you have to go away 1 weekend every month for about a year. And with some you have to take a practical as well as a written exam after doing about 10 case studies. These ones give you a very recognised diploma but are very expensive, i found in the uk anyway. I opted for a selfstudy course. You still have to do the case studies and need volunteers for that but you don't have to go away from home 1 weekend a month to london or wherever and there is still an examination at the end. I've done the first course but the advanced is quite a bit more involved. I think you mentioned sacral therapy to me before. I do want to try that. Also i need to find a reflexologist to work on me. Trouble is you're a bit more critical if they use a different method etc. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 dear lisa i am glad you are alive. i am thrilled you have regained your good health. your children mean nothing, cars, houses, money, all pale to insignifcance when one is deathly ill. heath is surely the greatest gift, and probably the one most taken for granted. thanks for sharing, and if anything comes to mind you want to add, please do, as i find speaking those who have faced their personal mortality, very special. also thanks for the interesting link. after perusing it, i found myself wanting you to explain it, on a first hand basis, as that is ususally more succinct, in a summary form, rather than the technicals of some website. if you care to, could you describe the immunologic response to these natural chemicals? thanx. smiles. best to all andy alternative therapies --- mommyb@... wrote: > dear lisa > if you care to share, i would be interested in > knowing what naturopathic practices have impressed > you the most favorably, either objectivley or > subjectively. > smiles That's a good question, but difficult to answer. Only because I've done multiple therapies at the same time and I've followed different protocols based on what I needed at the time. I suppose one of the first things I did was change my diet. I eliminated meat and processed food and became vegetarian, eating as much organic as possible. I also purchased a Green Power Juicer and started juicing daily. I added supplements to reduce oxidative stress, replace and bolster nutrient intake and increase antiangiogenesis. I also started taking enzymes on a daily basis. In addition I did a series of vitamin/mineral IV's shortly after my diagnosis. Objectively, one of the treatments I was considering is called AM2. It is considered a biological response modifier and was developed in the Czech Republic. I first came across it after reading " Nothing to Fear " by Larry Burkett. I also met a physician in the area where I was living at the time, who did the treatment for colon cancer with mets to the lungs. Five years later, he was still alive and cancer free. There is very little information about this online, but I've included a link below to the company. I am not trying to sell anyone on this, only sharing what I was considering. http://www.am2treatment.com/generalinfo.htm. __________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Seems like bogus science, junk science, distractions, publicity etc.... ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: http://news./s/ap/20070704/ap_on_he_me/alternative_therapies_pregnancy Some therapies may hurt pregnancy chance By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer2 hours, 5 minutes ago Alternative therapies such as reflexology and herbal supplements may reduce a woman's chance of getting pregnant, experts said Wednesday. Research presented Wednesday at a Lyon meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology examined the impact of alternative therapies on women receiving in-vitro fertilization over a year. Of 800 Danish women followed for the study, 261 tried treatments including reflexology, herbal supplements, homeopathy, kinesiology and acupuncture. The women using such treatments overall were 20 percent less likely to get pregnant than those who did not, according to researchers Dr. Jacky Boivin, of Cardiff University, and Dr. Lone Schmidt, from the University of Copenhagen. "Doctors tend to think that these kinds of therapies are benign," said Boivin, who was surprised by the results. "But maybe they're not as benign as we think they are." While the study does not provide any definitive answers about the value of alternative therapies, experts say it raises an important issue. "We cannot start with the assumption that these therapies do no harm," said Dr. Braverman, director of psychological and complementary care at Reproductive Medicine Associates in New Jersey. Braverman was not connected to Boivin's study and is currently running a study to see if acupuncture helps or hinders pregnancy. To date, no large-scale, randomized studies have been done looking at the value of alternative remedies. In the Danish study, the women most likely to try complementary therapies also tended to have a worse prognosis. But even after adjusting for this difference, Boivin said, a discrepancy in the pregnancy rates remained. All of the women in the study were from a similar socio-economic background. "There still seems to be an association between the use of complementary therapies and the reduced chances for pregnancy," Boivin said. Because Boivin and Schmidt were unable to disentangle the various alternative therapies tried — they measured all therapies tried, not individually — they could not explain why such treatments might decrease the pregnancy rate. "We have no idea why pressing on your feet could be bad for getting pregnant," Boivin said. Some experts worried the study might be skewed. "The important question is whether the chicken or the egg came first," said Edzard Ernst, professor of complementary medicine at Exeter University, who was not connected to Boivin's work. "Those women who are more prone to stress and have more health problems are more likely to try complementary medicine," he said. "So complementary medicine could only be a marker, and not the cause, of stress or lower success rates." Ernst said similar results had been found in looking at the use of alternative therapies in cancer patients. Experts agreed the lack of data remained a problem. "Anything could have a positive or negative effect," Braverman said. "But without the evidence, we have to be cautious." Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Seems like bogus science, junk science, distractions, publicity etc.... ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: http://news./s/ap/20070704/ap_on_he_me/alternative_therapies_pregnancy Some therapies may hurt pregnancy chance By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer2 hours, 5 minutes ago Alternative therapies such as reflexology and herbal supplements may reduce a woman's chance of getting pregnant, experts said Wednesday. Research presented Wednesday at a Lyon meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology examined the impact of alternative therapies on women receiving in-vitro fertilization over a year. Of 800 Danish women followed for the study, 261 tried treatments including reflexology, herbal supplements, homeopathy, kinesiology and acupuncture. The women using such treatments overall were 20 percent less likely to get pregnant than those who did not, according to researchers Dr. Jacky Boivin, of Cardiff University, and Dr. Lone Schmidt, from the University of Copenhagen. "Doctors tend to think that these kinds of therapies are benign," said Boivin, who was surprised by the results. "But maybe they're not as benign as we think they are." While the study does not provide any definitive answers about the value of alternative therapies, experts say it raises an important issue. "We cannot start with the assumption that these therapies do no harm," said Dr. Braverman, director of psychological and complementary care at Reproductive Medicine Associates in New Jersey. Braverman was not connected to Boivin's study and is currently running a study to see if acupuncture helps or hinders pregnancy. To date, no large-scale, randomized studies have been done looking at the value of alternative remedies. In the Danish study, the women most likely to try complementary therapies also tended to have a worse prognosis. But even after adjusting for this difference, Boivin said, a discrepancy in the pregnancy rates remained. All of the women in the study were from a similar socio-economic background. "There still seems to be an association between the use of complementary therapies and the reduced chances for pregnancy," Boivin said. Because Boivin and Schmidt were unable to disentangle the various alternative therapies tried — they measured all therapies tried, not individually — they could not explain why such treatments might decrease the pregnancy rate. "We have no idea why pressing on your feet could be bad for getting pregnant," Boivin said. Some experts worried the study might be skewed. "The important question is whether the chicken or the egg came first," said Edzard Ernst, professor of complementary medicine at Exeter University, who was not connected to Boivin's work. "Those women who are more prone to stress and have more health problems are more likely to try complementary medicine," he said. "So complementary medicine could only be a marker, and not the cause, of stress or lower success rates." Ernst said similar results had been found in looking at the use of alternative therapies in cancer patients. Experts agreed the lack of data remained a problem. "Anything could have a positive or negative effect," Braverman said. "But without the evidence, we have to be cautious." Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 > Alternative therapies such as reflexology and herbal supplements may > reduce a woman's chance of getting pregnant, experts said Wednesday. > They would really have to outline what " therapies " these woman were on before making this kind of blanket statement. Reflexology is massage. Keinesiology is a weird thing where the " therapist asked the body to diagnois itself and prescribe what supplementation is needed. I did this once for free. kinda scary based on the fact there is no measure. literally the " dr " asked me what does mimi need to make her well and by holding my arm strait from my body and asking the question based on arm resistance I was offered supplements. (it was my suspicion that the dr. listen to my diet and made his own conclusions and my arm seemed to confirm my need for fish oil) I told him I was a vegan and unlikely to take any supplement with animal products. Oh I also needed something with gelatin in it (you know cow marrow) anyway some supplements are labels supplements but are not natural and many are synthetics produced by GNC type companies. There is lying even in the whole food world. One has to read EVERY label to know what they are getting just slapping natural or organic on something doesn't equal good for you. Besides didn't primitive peoples use certain barks boiled with herbs to reduce unwanted pregnancy. You have to know what you are taking and why. Everything requires knowledge, the just pop a pill attitude without knowing the effects is ill concieved even in a health food store, and especially true at a GNC or " pill food store " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 > > Seems like bogus science, junk science, distractions, publicity etc.... > It is true that this type of media tries to say " herbal= bad " . In large print. what it should say is " unthinking take anything that sounds good =bad " . Um if they did that though people wouldn't throw money away on the latest thing without knowing if they need it or not. so it is my feeling that; charletons are bad in any venue. unfortunately they are in every venue and that is why there is no real taboo. People will do just about anything um like wipe out bad memories. We learn by experience good and bad. Altering our memories weakens us as a people. how can we pass on knowledge if we don't aquire any. well that's loaded, since many acquire knowledge and don't use it (politicians) or use it with intent to harm (journalists)(snake oil salesmen) (the fashion industry) etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 " um like wipe out bad memories. We learn by experience good and bad. Altering our memories weakens us as a people. " In one respect, it is rather telling. I can see people using this drug to get rid of the experience that teach them right from wrong and good from bad. In this respect, the drug is a way to help people to go back to " Eden " where life was uncomplicated by anything unpleasant. I really do not see any difference between this drug and an illegal recreational drug. All illegal drugs are essentially escapism. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 " um like wipe out bad memories. We learn by experience good and bad. Altering our memories weakens us as a people. " In one respect, it is rather telling. I can see people using this drug to get rid of the experience that teach them right from wrong and good from bad. In this respect, the drug is a way to help people to go back to " Eden " where life was uncomplicated by anything unpleasant. I really do not see any difference between this drug and an illegal recreational drug. All illegal drugs are essentially escapism. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Nick wrote: " ... <snip> ... Tommy Hilfiger comes to mind when I think of the supidity of the fashion industry. I can get a shirt for 12.50 at American Eagle and for 5 times the price get the same stupid shirt with tattered sleeves at abercrombie. The same goes for polo. I can go to Mervyn's and buy a 75 dollar 100 percent cotton, ralph lauren shirt or I can go to Aeropostale and get the same thing for 15 dollars ... <snip> ... " Oh for goodness sake! <chuckles> You know, for just a few bucks more than what they pay for that shirt at American Eagle, I can tatter the sleeves and rip a few seams and save them scads of money by charging far below the Ralph asking price. If you know anyone who needs ripping, I'm the gal for the job! <laughs> Nick wrote; " ... <snip> ... I think the public is smart enough to know that the doctors don't have a patent on intelligence ... <snip> ... " I've said it often ... someone graduates at the bottom of the class every year and the doctor you see in regular practice or in the ER may just be that bottom graduate. Raven Co-Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Tom wrote: " ... <snip> ... In Canada you call in and they ask you how bad the symptoms are over the phone and if it doesn't sound bad, they tell you to stay home and rest, maybe taking an aspirin or other pain reliever for a headache. They warn you that it may take four or five days to heal. And voila! They're right ... <snip> ... " When we were living in another city in Ontario and Cub was a toddler, I was lucky enough to have a wonderful doctor (albeit he was near retirement age at the time) who routinely said to his patients (we all discussed this while in the waiting room from time to time): " I can give you a prescription for that and you'll be fine in about 7 days or you can let it run its course, and you'll be over it in a week. " His point was that the prescription wasn't going to get rid of the ailment any faster than living through whatever was ailing you at the time. And yes, for the most part, prescriptions are useless for things like colds and the flu and other such ailments. So most of his patients would say they would go with the one week option because it sounded shorter than the seven day option. LOL. Raven Co-Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 > > In Canada you call in and they ask you how bad the symptoms are over > the phone and if it doesn't sound bad, they tell you to stay home and > rest, maybe taking an aspirin or other pain reliever for a headache. > They warn you that it may take four or five days to heal. > > And voila! > > They're right. > > A cynical person can say " Yeah, well, that is the type of service you > get when you have a National Healthcare system. " > > But when you think about it, it is best for the body to build up its > own immunity and fight bacteria or viruses on its own if it can. > > I can just predict what centuries of the respective healthcare in both > countries will bring. > > Here in the US, any little bug that comes along will floor us for a > week and a half, whereas Canadians will have developed immunity to all > of those little bugs. > > Tom > Administrator > Yes Yes Yes and horray Canada!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 > " I > can give you a prescription for that and you'll be fine in about 7 > days or you can let it run its course, and you'll be over it in a > week. " > > So most of his patients would say they would go with the one week > option because it sounded shorter than the seven day option. LOL. > > Raven > Co-Administrator > That is the best sounds like a man with a heart. His wallet must have weighed less than his heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Sounds very similar to the UK National Health Service - well that is if you can actually get through on the phone. Still it is well known here to go to the doctors over a cold is rather pointless, only if it starts to develop into something more serious (bad chest infection etc) does one need to go to the doctors. > > " They want doctors to incorporate sensible suggestions such as flax > seed. I think the public is smart enough to know that the doctors > don't have a patent on intelligence. That simple concept should make > it safe for the Americans who are actually grateful for the ability to > buy their supplements with their own and not taxpayers money. We can't > afford a German Commission E style health system to be given freely to > the jobless without completely banning health supplement freedom. " > > While the Canadian National Healthcare System is lacking in many > respects, there arem two advantages I notice to it: > > 1) Because anything elective is something you have to pay for, there > are fewer elective procedures done in that country. > > 2) They are more inclined to take a minimalist approach to treating > ailments and only resort to radical treatment if lesser treatments > fail. > > In the US, you might have a mild cold, and so you call the doctor, and > the doctor says come on in, and he checks you out and writes out a > perscription for anti-biotics or anti-viral drugs and tells you to > come back if it doesn't clear up. > > In Canada you call in and they ask you how bad the symptoms are over > the phone and if it doesn't sound bad, they tell you to stay home and > rest, maybe taking an aspirin or other pain reliever for a headache. > They warn you that it may take four or five days to heal. > > And voila! > > They're right. > > A cynical person can say " Yeah, well, that is the type of service you > get when you have a National Healthcare system. " > > But when you think about it, it is best for the body to build up its > own immunity and fight bacteria or viruses on its own if it can. > > I can just predict what centuries of the respective healthcare in both > countries will bring. > > Here in the US, any little bug that comes along will floor us for a > week and a half, whereas Canadians will have developed immunity to all > of those little bugs. > > Tom > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I would also add that talking to any specialist your child see's should also be scheduled. My son's pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how they mix with " natural therapies " . I learned this one the hard way! nna Mommy to Freddie 6yrs Full Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!) --- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_R@...> wrote: > I just want to take a minute to stress how important > it is to try to work > with a doctor who knows your child when using > alternative therapies.before I > try something new with Danny, I always get input > from his doctor. Also, as > a rule of thumb, when you are trying something new, > it is usually best to > only add one new thing at a time, that way, if your > child has a reaction > (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to what > caused it. > > kathyR > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Yes, I understand why this can pe a problem... I have been following this thread with great interest, as I was expectig the issue pop up, given that if it does in other lists, people readily try to shut it down. I understand it to some point, because I know people (and you probably know as well), who would give anything for their children without thinking twice. In my country people eo a lot of self-medication and many times end in hospital for that. And we should be careful also with things like ghiko biloba and natural stuff that we think that because it is natural it wont hurt, but the active principles CAN do harm. The same goes to homeopathy - a lot of people give homeopathy to their children here in Brazil. Anyway, this is to share with you my concern about alternative therapies. For one thing, I dont feel comfortable with the idea that a given dosage, considering age and weight fits all. Each individual is different an requires different amounts and different medicines for different problems they might have. My second problem is that s pediatrician doesnt buy any of this new stuff, supplements, prozac treatment, etc. He has to see medical research before changing his mind about anything, and only mice wont do. Theres only one doctor in Brazil - a genethecist in Rio, another city - that prescribes TNI for his patients. I would be much more comfortable if someone who I could trust and was familiar with the protocols would evaluate and suggest some kind of therapy. How do I overcome that? Pat mum to , from Brazil Freddies Mommy <freddie5smommy@...> escreveu: I would also add that talking to any specialist yourchild see's should also be scheduled. My son'spediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn'tnecessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism oron his medications and how they mix with "naturaltherapies". I learned this one the hard way!nnaMommy to Freddie 6yrsFull Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!)--- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:> I just want to take a minute to stress how important> it is to try to work> with a doctor who knows your child when using> alternative therapies.before I> try something new with Danny, I always get input> from his doctor. Also, as> a rule of thumb, when you are trying something new,> it is usually best to> only add one new thing at a time, that way, if your> child has a reaction> (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to what> caused it.> > kathyR> > > > __________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Abra sua conta no , o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 , You wrote: "My second problem is that s pediatrician doesnt buy any of this new stuff, supplements, prozac treatment, etc. He has to see medical research before changing his mind about anything, and only mice wont do." That sounds like 's pediatrician. has to take Pulmicort breathing treatments using a nebulizer twice a day as a maintenance medication to prevent asthma flare ups every time he gets a cold. I'm not sure it is really helping as he has had 2 more flare ups of asthmatic bronchiolitis even while on the Pulmicort. I'd love to be able to get him off the Pulmicort and use herbal and homeopathic remedies instead. But if I did that, and he had an asthma flare up, the pediatrician would blame me for it. I'm trying to build up 's immune system, and I'm keeping him home for the month of Jan., except for doctor appointments, and I'm also working on building up the immune systems of my 7 yr. old and 10 yr. old who keep sharing their colds with him. I am also going to try supplementing with extra glutathione and selenium, because I've read that the levels of these are often low in patients with chronic lung conditions (such as asthma). I'll start out with a little and then increase just a bit and see if I notice improvement. I don't plan to mention it to his pediatrician. As long as I am still giving the Pulmicort, according to his instructions, he will be satisfied. If does really well for a month or two, with no episodes of asthmatic bronchiolitis, I will ask if we may cut back to one breathing treatment per day. Then, if he does well at that level for a month or two, I will ask if we may try without the Pulmicort. Well that is my plan, anyhow, and if does so well that the pediatrician is amazed and just can't believe his new level of robust health, then maybe I will tell him what we've been doing! I do give Nutrivene, even though his pediatrician doesn't believe in it, and he knows that I do. Of course, with all the problems has had this winter, so far, he probably considers that as proof that Nutrivene doesn't work. But I hope that eventually he may come to change his thinking. And I hope that will turn out to be positive proof that targeted nutritional intervention does indeed make a difference. I realize it would be simple enough to just change to a different pediatrician, but this man is a Christian and we have lots of respect for him and my husband feels we should stick with him and learn to see our differences as mutually beneficial. Just like in marriage! Also, 's pediatrician believes in the sanctity of human life and is opposed to abortion and values the differently- abled. So, we have lots in common where it really counts! A friend of mine took her infant daughter with DS for her first visit to their pediatrician, and he scolded them for not having had an amniocentesis done during the pregnancy! [she was older and this was her 10th child and they'd lost one baby to a chromosomal defect (not DS), so she had a higher risk of having another child with a chromosomal defect.] Anyway, they promptly changed doctors! GOD's BEST! Almeida <pat_lucas@...> wrote: Yes, I understand why this can pe a problem... I have been following this thread with great interest, as I was expectig the issue pop up, given that if it does in other lists, people readily try to shut it down. I understand it to some point, because I know people (and you probably know as well), who would give anything for their children without thinking twice. In my country people eo a lot of self-medication and many times end in hospital for that. And we should be careful also with things like ghiko biloba and natural stuff that we think that because it is natural it wont hurt, but the active principles CAN do harm. The same goes to homeopathy - a lot of people give homeopathy to their children here in Brazil. Anyway, this is to share with you my concern about alternative therapies. For one thing, I dont feel comfortable with the idea that a given dosage, considering age and weight fits all. Each individual is different an requires different amounts and different medicines for different problems they might have. My second problem is that s pediatrician doesnt buy any of this new stuff, supplements, prozac treatment, etc. He has to see medical research before changing his mind about anything, and only mice wont do. Theres only one doctor in Brazil - a genethecist in Rio, another city - that prescribes TNI for his patients. I would be much more comfortable if someone who I could trust and was familiar with the protocols would evaluate and suggest some kind of therapy. How do I overcome that? Pat mum to , from Brazil Freddies Mommy <freddie5smommy > escreveu: I would also add that talking to any specialist yourchild see's should also be scheduled. My son'spediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn'tnecessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism oron his medications and how they mix with "naturaltherapies". I learned this one the hard way!nnaMommy to Freddie 6yrsFull Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!)--- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:> I just want to take a minute to stress how important> it is to try to work> with a doctor who knows your child when using> alternative therapies.before I> try something new with Danny, I always get input> from his doctor. Also, as> a rule of thumb, when you are trying something new,> it is usually best to> only add one new thing at a time, that way, if your> child has a reaction> (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to what> caused it.> > kathyR> > > > __________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Abra sua conta no , o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and ! Yes, they're all ours!) Is. 40:31 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 nna, You wrote: "My son's pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how they mix with "natural therapies". I learned this one the hard way!" Would you mind to elaborate on that just a little? I mean is there something we should know that you found out about a certain "natural therapy" that should not be given if a child is on a certain medication? has not been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, but his last blood test (2 mos. ago) was on the borderline, so he is to be retested in another month. I hope it will be fine. He does grow very slowly, but that may be due to his uncorrected CHD. Anyway, if he ever does get put on thyroid meds, I don't want to "learn the hard way" what "natural therapy" NOT to try! Blessings, Freddies Mommy <freddie5smommy@...> wrote: I would also add that talking to any specialist yourchild see's should also be scheduled. My son'spediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn'tnecessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism oron his medications and how they mix with "naturaltherapies". I learned this one the hard way!nnaMommy to Freddie 6yrsFull Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!)--- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:> I just want to take a minute to stress how important> it is to try to work> with a doctor who knows your child when using> alternative therapies.before I> try something new with Danny, I always get input> from his doctor. Also, as> a rule of thumb, when you are trying something new,> it is usually best to> only add one new thing at a time, that way, if your> child has a reaction> (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to what> caused it.> > kathyR> > > > __________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and ! Yes, they're all ours!) Is. 40:31 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 , I can't answer the questions you asked nna, since I am not sure what she is exactly speaking of either . Is your son borderline HYPERthyroid or HYPOthryoid? There's a big difference! Most of the time, in DS the problem is hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism will cause slow growth, but like you said, that could also be due to his CHD. We've dealt with thyroid issues (hypo side of things) with my brother quite a bit since he was 8 months old (since he was born actually, but we didn't find out unti he was 8 months old!). Qadoshyah Book ~ Down Syndrome: What You CAN Dowww.gotdownsyndrome.net/Book/whatyoucandobook.html Re: alternative therapies nna, You wrote: "My son's pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how they mix with "natural therapies". I learned this one the hard way!" Would you mind to elaborate on that just a little? I mean is there something we should know that you found out about a certain "natural therapy" that should not be given if a child is on a certain medication? has not been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, but his last blood test (2 mos. ago) was on the borderline, so he is to be retested in another month. I hope it will be fine. He does grow very slowly, but that may be due to his uncorrected CHD. Anyway, if he ever does get put on thyroid meds, I don't want to "learn the hard way" what "natural therapy" NOT to try! Blessings, Freddies Mommy <freddie5smommy > wrote: I would also add that talking to any specialist yourchild see's should also be scheduled. My son'spediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn'tnecessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism oron his medications and how they mix with "naturaltherapies". I learned this one the hard way!nnaMommy to Freddie 6yrsFull Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!)--- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:> I just want to take a minute to stress how important> it is to try to work> with a doctor who knows your child when using> alternative therapies.before I> try something new with Danny, I always get input> from his doctor. Also, as> a rule of thumb, when you are trying something new,> it is usually best to> only add one new thing at a time, that way, if your> child has a reaction> (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to what> caused it.> > kathyR> > > > __________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and ! Yes, they're all ours!) Is. 40:31 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Qadoshyah, I guess hypothyroid. Sorry. I knew there were 2 different issues with thyroid, but I guess I'm not very knowledgeable about them and missed that it was the other one. I am giving coconut oil, as you suggested, but not daily. He has been sick so frequently, this fall and winter, and there has been so much to remember to give him, and he doesn't eat well when he is sick. At the moment, he is well, so now is the time to get in the routines again. Blessings, Qadoshyah <feargod@...> wrote: , I can't answer the questions you asked nna, since I am not sure what she is exactly speaking of either . Is your son borderline HYPERthyroid or HYPOthryoid? There's a big difference! Most of the time, in DS the problem is hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism will cause slow growth, but like you said, that could also be due to his CHD. We've dealt with thyroid issues (hypo side of things) with my brother quite a bit since he was 8 months old (since he was born actually, but we didn't find out unti he was 8 months old!). Qadoshyah Book ~ Down Syndrome: What You CAN Dowww.gotdownsyndrome.net/Book/whatyoucandobook.html Re: alternative therapies nna, You wrote: "My son's pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how they mix with "natural therapies". I learned this one the hard way!" Would you mind to elaborate on that just a little? I mean is there something we should know that you found out about a certain "natural therapy" that should not be given if a child is on a certain medication? has not been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, but his last blood test (2 mos. ago) was on the borderline, so he is to be retested in another month. I hope it will be fine. He does grow very slowly, but that may be due to his uncorrected CHD. Anyway, if he ever does get put on thyroid meds, I don't want to "learn the hard way" what "natural therapy" NOT to try! Blessings, (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and ! Yes, they're all ours!) Is. 40:31 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 , I suspected it was probably hypothyroid, but I know it can get confusing at times! I know what you mean about him being sick and not wanting to eat much . Hope he gets better! Qadoshyah Book ~ Down Syndrome: What You CAN Dowww.gotdownsyndrome.net/Book/whatyoucandobook.html Re: alternative therapies nna, You wrote: "My son's pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how they mix with "natural therapies". I learned this one the hard way!" Would you mind to elaborate on that just a little? I mean is there something we should know that you found out about a certain "natural therapy" that should not be given if a child is on a certain medication? has not been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, but his last blood test (2 mos. ago) was on the borderline, so he is to be retested in another month. I hope it will be fine. He does grow very slowly, but that may be due to his uncorrected CHD. Anyway, if he ever does get put on thyroid meds, I don't want to "learn the hard way" what "natural therapy" NOT to try! Blessings, (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and ! Yes, they're all ours!) Is. 40:31 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mout up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hi ! It wasn't so much a " natural therapy " as it was a sincere desire to get my son off of high fat/hormone laced cows milk. I decided hey lets try soy! Wrong. Apparently soy interrupts with the proper absorption of certain meds. In Freddie's case it was his thyroid meds. My son's pediatrician didn't know it either. I read it on the medication manufactures web site. I called the Endocrinologist and he confirmed it only after he called the manufacture himself. That makes two physicians who didn't know about the combination of meds and soy. Worries ya a little doesn't it? Turned out it wasn't so much using soy as it was the time between taking the meds and taking ant soy product. I imagine there are a lot of over the counter meds or herbs that would effect other prescription meds. As I said, do your research! nna Mommy to Freddie 6 yrs Full Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good thing!!!) --- Keener <ninepreciousgiftsfromgod@...> wrote: > nna, > > You wrote: " My son's pediatrician is an awesome > doctor but he isn't necessarily an expert on my > son's hyperthyroidism or on his medications and how > they mix with " natural therapies " . I learned this > one the hard way! " > > Would you mind to elaborate on that just a little? > I mean is there something we should know that you > found out about a certain " natural therapy " that > should not be given if a child is on a certain > medication? has not been diagnosed with > hyperthyroidism, but his last blood test (2 mos. > ago) was on the borderline, so he is to be retested > in another month. I hope it will be fine. He does > grow very slowly, but that may be due to his > uncorrected CHD. Anyway, if he ever does get put on > thyroid meds, I don't want to " learn the hard way " > what " natural therapy " NOT to try! > > Blessings, > > > > > Freddies Mommy <freddie5smommy@...> wrote: > I would also add that talking to any > specialist your > child see's should also be scheduled. My son's > pediatrician is an awesome doctor but he isn't > necessarily an expert on my son's hyperthyroidism or > on his medications and how they mix with " natural > therapies " . I learned this one the hard way! > > nna > Mommy to Freddie 6yrs > Full Inclusion Kindy (Again-But it's a good > thing!!!) > > --- Kathy Ratkiewicz <Kathy_R@...> wrote: > > > I just want to take a minute to stress how > important > > it is to try to work > > with a doctor who knows your child when using > > alternative therapies.before I > > try something new with Danny, I always get input > > from his doctor. Also, as > > a rule of thumb, when you are trying something > new, > > it is usually best to > > only add one new thing at a time, that way, if > your > > child has a reaction > > (good or bad) you will have a better idea as to > what > > caused it. > > > > kathyR > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > (one and only wife to Fred; mom to Kari, Melody, > Faith, Heidi, Isaac, Josiah, , Alana, and > ! Yes, they're all ours!) > > Is. 40:31 " They that wait upon the Lord shall > renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings > as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they > shall walk and not faint. " > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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