Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 > 1) I have not found much info (yes I have looked > through the links) > on immunity to major childhood disease linked with > breastfeeding > (which I am doing) Hello, ! I have a story regarding that one. My mom was nursing my sister, who was nine months old, but also on solid foods. My two-year old brother contracted a good case of the chicken pox. He would swipe my sister's pacifier out of her mouth and suck on it, and, when he saw someone coming, would pop it back into her mouth immediately. This happened many times while he was contagious, but my sister never came down with CP. She may just be one of those people that never get it, (she's 12, unvaxed, and still hasn't had it) but we're still impressed. violet~* ____________________________________________________ Sell on Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi and welcome. At 10:58 PM 7/9/2005 -0000, you wrote: >As requested, here is my intro: > >Hello everyone, > >Thanks for allowing me to join your list. It was recommended to me by >a " crunchy " mama I know. > >My name is and I live north of Orlando Florida with my husband >and dd Anneke (9/02) and ds Ryker(5/05). I am interested in this list >as my son is due for his first set of shots in a few weeks. My dd is >fully vaxd to age 2. When I got preg. with my son, I started actually >researching vax issues along with some natural life changes (products, >foods, etc.) and have been disturbed by what I have found. I have >also however been frustrated as I slog through all the data as much of >it seems out of date and confusing. It seems to be a he said/she said >type of issue in many cases, and honestly, I am having a hard time >putting together a convincing case to present to my husband. My gut >is telling me that I at LEAST want to delay shots, but also at a >minimum selectively vax. I have already declined Hep B twice and will >for sure decline the Chicken Pox vax. glad you have declined thsoe you have. once you learn about the reality of the diseases you start to lose your fear of them which drives the vaccine business > >This decision is especially difficult, because although my gut is >telling me one thing (to not vax), my mom is an RN, so I get pressure >from her about vaxing and also my husband is resistant due to the fact >that our daughter is fully vaxd with no short term consequences (that >we are aware of). Yes that is hard. But I am an RN too and there are several on this list. I woke up in the early 80's (was a peds RN for much of my work). It is hard to argue with him because she has been >the picture of health, never having a single ear infection, only like >3 minor colds, one day of fever (ever), one stomach bug and literally >nothing else. not all children are susceptible to vaccine injury at first. Some are, some take longer and some never have problems. I have found a pediatrician in the area who does not >condone, but will support delayed & non vaxing - that is HARD to do in >this area. I am getting very stressed though because Ryker's 2 month >appt is right around the corner and I need to make a decision on the >first round at least. many stop seeing PEDS as their main purpose these days is to vaccinate it seems - especailly well baby visits. Many have changed to homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors or at least older family practice docs. Don't go for the appointment until you are sure. Or just say no until you are sure. Postpone. You can't take them out. > >Here are a couple of questions I have related to the issue that maybe >some of you might be able answer? > >1) I have not found much info (yes I have looked through the links) >on immunity to major childhood disease linked with breastfeeding >(which I am doing) - this type of data would at least allow me to more >easily convince my hubby to DELAY. not surre what you are saying here > >2) CURRENT stats comparison on stuff like how many kids in US are >affected by X disease, how many of those are actually vaccinated and >how many casualties, compared to issues / casualties for vaccine for >same X disease. Again, a direct numbers comparison would help in >convincing hubby that the risk of the vax is greater than the risk of >catching or casualty due to the disease itself. I have found some OLD >stuff and overseas info, but no real current data from the US. I teach much of this in my vaccine course. The diseases are extremely rare or NON-existent in the US and those that do exist are not that life threatening to most. > >3) Any info on DELAYING has been hard to come by. I know so many >people delay until a later age but noone has been able to give me any >real facts on WHY and what age - the only real physical data I have >read is that the brain is not fully developed until age 2. there is no guarantee that delaying will prvent injury - of course earlier would be worse probably, but there is no safe way to delay. > >Anyways, I thank you again for allowing me on the group - I think it >is wonderful that such a group exists and look forward to learning as >much I can about the issue to make an informed choice for my son. My time is limited right now and I'm sure others can jump in and help too! Also see my webpages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm My next classes aren't until the fall but if you wanted to join now, you could access the info on the webpage of the class (separate from my other webpage). I have a part 1 class http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm and then there is a part 2 addressing each disease and vaccines and alternative treatment, but that class is in progress and I'm writing it as we go. I've covered Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Diphtheria, pertussis, Tetanus, and Flu so far. There is a fee of $25 for each of these classes Welcome Sheri listowner > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 , Get a copy of " Evidence of Harm " by Kirby and ask your husband to read it. I'd be very surprised if he opposes your wish not to vaccinate after finishing this book. I cried many times during the course of reading. Re: My intro and questions > Hi and welcome. > > At 10:58 PM 7/9/2005 -0000, you wrote: >>As requested, here is my intro: >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>Thanks for allowing me to join your list. It was recommended to me by >>a " crunchy " mama I know. >> >>My name is and I live north of Orlando Florida with my husband >>and dd Anneke (9/02) and ds Ryker(5/05). I am interested in this list >>as my son is due for his first set of shots in a few weeks. My dd is >>fully vaxd to age 2. When I got preg. with my son, I started actually >>researching vax issues along with some natural life changes (products, >>foods, etc.) and have been disturbed by what I have found. I have >>also however been frustrated as I slog through all the data as much of >>it seems out of date and confusing. It seems to be a he said/she said >>type of issue in many cases, and honestly, I am having a hard time >>putting together a convincing case to present to my husband. My gut >>is telling me that I at LEAST want to delay shots, but also at a >>minimum selectively vax. I have already declined Hep B twice and will >>for sure decline the Chicken Pox vax. > > glad you have declined thsoe you have. once you learn about the reality > of > the diseases you start to lose your fear of them which drives the vaccine > business > >> >>This decision is especially difficult, because although my gut is >>telling me one thing (to not vax), my mom is an RN, so I get pressure >>from her about vaxing and also my husband is resistant due to the fact >>that our daughter is fully vaxd with no short term consequences (that >>we are aware of). > > Yes that is hard. But I am an RN too and there are several on this list. > I woke up in the early 80's (was a peds RN for much of my work). > > It is hard to argue with him because she has been >>the picture of health, never having a single ear infection, only like >>3 minor colds, one day of fever (ever), one stomach bug and literally >>nothing else. > > not all children are susceptible to vaccine injury at first. Some are, > some take longer and some never have problems. > > I have found a pediatrician in the area who does not >>condone, but will support delayed & non vaxing - that is HARD to do in >>this area. I am getting very stressed though because Ryker's 2 month >>appt is right around the corner and I need to make a decision on the >>first round at least. > > many stop seeing PEDS as their main purpose these days is to vaccinate it > seems - especailly well baby visits. > Many have changed to homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors or at least > older family practice docs. > Don't go for the appointment until you are sure. Or just say no until you > are sure. Postpone. You can't take them out. > >> >>Here are a couple of questions I have related to the issue that maybe >>some of you might be able answer? >> >>1) I have not found much info (yes I have looked through the links) >>on immunity to major childhood disease linked with breastfeeding >>(which I am doing) - this type of data would at least allow me to more >>easily convince my hubby to DELAY. > > not surre what you are saying here > > >> >>2) CURRENT stats comparison on stuff like how many kids in US are >>affected by X disease, how many of those are actually vaccinated and >>how many casualties, compared to issues / casualties for vaccine for >>same X disease. Again, a direct numbers comparison would help in >>convincing hubby that the risk of the vax is greater than the risk of >>catching or casualty due to the disease itself. I have found some OLD >>stuff and overseas info, but no real current data from the US. > > I teach much of this in my vaccine course. > The diseases are extremely rare or NON-existent in the US and those that > do > exist are not that life threatening to most. >> >>3) Any info on DELAYING has been hard to come by. I know so many >>people delay until a later age but noone has been able to give me any >>real facts on WHY and what age - the only real physical data I have >>read is that the brain is not fully developed until age 2. > > there is no guarantee that delaying will prvent injury - of course earlier > would be worse probably, but there is no safe way to delay. > >> >>Anyways, I thank you again for allowing me on the group - I think it >>is wonderful that such a group exists and look forward to learning as >>much I can about the issue to make an informed choice for my son. > > My time is limited right now and I'm sure others can jump in and help too! > > Also see my webpages > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > My next classes aren't until the fall but if you wanted to join now, you > could access the info on the webpage of the class (separate from my other > webpage). > I have a part 1 class http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > and then there is a part 2 addressing each disease and vaccines and > alternative treatment, but that class is in progress and I'm writing it as > we go. > I've covered Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Diphtheria, pertussis, Tetanus, and > Flu so far. > There is a fee of $25 for each of these classes > > Welcome > Sheri > listowner >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > ****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy > information > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 At 12:12 PM 7/10/2005 +0100, you wrote: >, > >Get a copy of " Evidence of Harm " by Kirby and ask your husband to read >it. I'd be very surprised if he opposes your wish not to vaccinate after >finishing this book. I cried many times during the course of reading. > > I haven't had a chance to read it yet due to everything else going on, but have it. Its also available thru my webpage http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm#vaccine good recommendation> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hello , Yes, there is alot of confusing info out there but I would ask you to just look at the " unatural ingredients " in each vaccine that should never be put in any human body. That alone...without going any further and looking at graphic statistics provided by Sheri Nakken should say it all. When i was 7 months pregnant with my first in 2001 my chiropractor at the time gave me Barbara Loe Fishers' book to read, " Shot in the Dark " . My husband and i probably just read 1/2 of it and it was enough of a risk for us not to vaccinate. We never looked back and have raised many brows at our decision not to vaccinate and to homeschool her. My daughter is so healthy today and i will always be so grateful. Mine and my husbands decision went like this and still goes today......If our daughter gets something we at least will know we did not give it to her and we will deal with the an illness if and when it happens. We also have a good Classical Homeopathe in the wings. Good luck. Mona Re: My intro and questions > Hi and welcome. > > At 10:58 PM 7/9/2005 -0000, you wrote: >>As requested, here is my intro: >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>Thanks for allowing me to join your list. It was recommended to me by >>a " crunchy " mama I know. >> >>My name is and I live north of Orlando Florida with my husband >>and dd Anneke (9/02) and ds Ryker(5/05). I am interested in this list >>as my son is due for his first set of shots in a few weeks. My dd is >>fully vaxd to age 2. When I got preg. with my son, I started actually >>researching vax issues along with some natural life changes (products, >>foods, etc.) and have been disturbed by what I have found. I have >>also however been frustrated as I slog through all the data as much of >>it seems out of date and confusing. It seems to be a he said/she said >>type of issue in many cases, and honestly, I am having a hard time >>putting together a convincing case to present to my husband. My gut >>is telling me that I at LEAST want to delay shots, but also at a >>minimum selectively vax. I have already declined Hep B twice and will >>for sure decline the Chicken Pox vax. > > glad you have declined thsoe you have. once you learn about the reality > of > the diseases you start to lose your fear of them which drives the vaccine > business > >> >>This decision is especially difficult, because although my gut is >>telling me one thing (to not vax), my mom is an RN, so I get pressure >>from her about vaxing and also my husband is resistant due to the fact >>that our daughter is fully vaxd with no short term consequences (that >>we are aware of). > > Yes that is hard. But I am an RN too and there are several on this list. > I woke up in the early 80's (was a peds RN for much of my work). > > It is hard to argue with him because she has been >>the picture of health, never having a single ear infection, only like >>3 minor colds, one day of fever (ever), one stomach bug and literally >>nothing else. > > not all children are susceptible to vaccine injury at first. Some are, > some take longer and some never have problems. > > I have found a pediatrician in the area who does not >>condone, but will support delayed & non vaxing - that is HARD to do in >>this area. I am getting very stressed though because Ryker's 2 month >>appt is right around the corner and I need to make a decision on the >>first round at least. > > many stop seeing PEDS as their main purpose these days is to vaccinate it > seems - especailly well baby visits. > Many have changed to homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors or at least > older family practice docs. > Don't go for the appointment until you are sure. Or just say no until you > are sure. Postpone. You can't take them out. > >> >>Here are a couple of questions I have related to the issue that maybe >>some of you might be able answer? >> >>1) I have not found much info (yes I have looked through the links) >>on immunity to major childhood disease linked with breastfeeding >>(which I am doing) - this type of data would at least allow me to more >>easily convince my hubby to DELAY. > > not surre what you are saying here > > >> >>2) CURRENT stats comparison on stuff like how many kids in US are >>affected by X disease, how many of those are actually vaccinated and >>how many casualties, compared to issues / casualties for vaccine for >>same X disease. Again, a direct numbers comparison would help in >>convincing hubby that the risk of the vax is greater than the risk of >>catching or casualty due to the disease itself. I have found some OLD >>stuff and overseas info, but no real current data from the US. > > I teach much of this in my vaccine course. > The diseases are extremely rare or NON-existent in the US and those that > do > exist are not that life threatening to most. >> >>3) Any info on DELAYING has been hard to come by. I know so many >>people delay until a later age but noone has been able to give me any >>real facts on WHY and what age - the only real physical data I have >>read is that the brain is not fully developed until age 2. > > there is no guarantee that delaying will prvent injury - of course earlier > would be worse probably, but there is no safe way to delay. > >> >>Anyways, I thank you again for allowing me on the group - I think it >>is wonderful that such a group exists and look forward to learning as >>much I can about the issue to make an informed choice for my son. > > My time is limited right now and I'm sure others can jump in and help too! > > Also see my webpages > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > My next classes aren't until the fall but if you wanted to join now, you > could access the info on the webpage of the class (separate from my other > webpage). > I have a part 1 class http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > and then there is a part 2 addressing each disease and vaccines and > alternative treatment, but that class is in progress and I'm writing it as > we go. > I've covered Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Diphtheria, pertussis, Tetanus, and > Flu so far. > There is a fee of $25 for each of these classes > > Welcome > Sheri > listowner >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > ****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy > information > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi , I'm a former RN like Sheri (pediatrics and obstetrics for me) . I used to believe all the hype about vaccines being so necessary and safe, too. Until I started researching it myself. I'm sure your mom has probably not done any, and is falling back on what she's been taught. I got out of nursing about 8 years ago to be home with my kids, but I could never go back to it now, knowing what I know after 4+ years of research on the dangers of vaccines and just allopathic medicine in general. We use homeopathy exclusively and my kids will never get another vaccine as long as I can help it. YOU are the one who has done the research. Don't let anyone pressure you into doing something you know is harmful. Chances are the ones pressuring you haven't done a bit of research and don't know what they are talking about. The information is there, but if people refuse to check it out for themselves, that's their fault. Don't let their ignorance harm your children. All the best! Kay > >This decision is especially difficult, because although my gut is >telling me one thing (to not vax), my mom is an RN, so I get pressure >from her about vaxing and also my husband is resistant due to the fact >that our daughter is fully vaxd with no short term consequences (that >we are aware of). Yes that is hard. But I am an RN too and there are several on this list. I woke up in the early 80's (was a peds RN for much of my work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi - Look online or go to a medical library for current statistics on communicable diseases. The statistics are for most of the diseases that we vax for and includes STD's and AIDS. Shows you how many cases reported and how many deaths. Unfortunatly they aren't broken down into age groups. Best of luck. Dorinda CURRENT stats comparison on stuff like how many kids in US are affected by X disease, how many of those are actually vaccinated and how many casualties, compared to issues / casualties for vaccine for same X disease. --------------------------------- Sell on Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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