Re: [Spinal Disorders Support

[Guest guest]

How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it since

1999.

__,_._,__

How do you all deal

How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

with the PAIN?????

[Guest guest]

Please try to find a good pain doctor, or a physiatrist- they are helpful in

managing pain.

Re: [spinal Disorders Support

How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to pain

or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it since

1999.

__,_._,__

How do you all deal

How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

with the PAIN?????

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm and have been dealing with the intense pain since 1989

when I was injured at work. I do alot of meditation. It's not that hard

to do. I figure out the most peaceful place I have ever been and in my

mind recreate that scenario for myself. I take slow deep breaths and do

relaxation exercises starting at my toes, tense them up and then relax

and work my way to my head. When I am not doing meditation I keep my

mind as busy as possible with projects that need to be done or projects

that I am doing. None of this takes away the pain, but conditions my

mind not to focus on it. It's not always successful, but it does help.

I don't have health insurance so I have a hard time paying for the pain

meds! I'm hoping that will change SOON!

>

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group.

not new to pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been

dealing with it since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think we all deal in different ways. Plus, it really depends on what is

causing your pain.

In my case, Fibromyalgia, Stenosis, DDD, Osteoarthritis, etc...

I take Cymbalta, Lyrica, Flexeril and Lortab Daily. Plus I use Lidoderm patches,

heating pads, ice packs and extra Ibuprofen when I can. Allergic to Aspirin so,

I have to be careful with the Ibuprofen.

Also, having a good support system in place. I know it sounds corny, but the

best thing you can have is a good supportive medical staff and a good supportive

family and friends staff. LOL

They help more than any drugs could.

I am lucky in that regard. I do have very supportive friends and family. They

are accepting of my limitations and try to help me in any way they can.

This group has helped me as well. To be able to vent to people who actually

understand what you are going through and can give advice from a real

perspective of understanding.

I hope all of this helps you in some say.

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

From: @B & B <bbhorsetack@...>

Subject: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:28 AM

How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to pain

or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it since

1999.

__,_._,__

How do you all deal

How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

with the PAIN?????

[Guest guest]

,

I'm no expert nor am I a doctor, but back when I did'nt have insurance or a

doctor I had nothing to stop pain, and I am allergic to oral INSAIDs, I can't

take asprin or Ibuprofen. I had to take one day at a time, take deep breaths

when the pain gets intense. I was'nt working and could'nt hold a job down,

waiting on SSD to kick in, but I had to give up on doing anything or getting

anything accomplished, basicallythe pain monster put me, or knocked me, on my

back and I even had a hard time getting up. What I am trying to say is nothing

is really that important, so stop any and all things and concentrate on

something other than pain, just keep trying to train your mind to think the pain

does'nt hurt. I know its not much help, but thats how I got thru it myself for

almost 2 years before I could afford to see a doctor, and I almost went crazy

with it, I would pray for god just to take me now because I hurt so bad.

I will keep you in my prayers that you can resolve your pain issues, cathy, I am

so sorry you are having to deal with it this way. A soul should never have to

suffer with such severe pain.

geoAlabama

Re: [spinal Disorders Support

How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to pain

or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it since

1999.

__,_._,__

How do you all deal

How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

with the PAIN?????

[Guest guest]

Hi

Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

been following this group fro a while now

and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

already accepted their fate.

That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

world of pain for the rest of my life.

That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm 32

and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

much everything.

To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I feel

robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

helped a bit.

I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

norco/vicodin/oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other times

it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

positive but pain isn't).

The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job and

that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world to

tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and don't

need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

almost immediately.

So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been on

the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc that

they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to hurtful

when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

hope.

Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great but

not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about the

pain so I really know the place where you are.

I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

luxury....

A fellow sufferer--

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@...>wrote:

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

> pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it

> since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

[Guest guest]

_stucky101@..._ (mailto:stucky101@...) writes: << " Find a good

pain managment doc " Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to

taking pain mends and that's it. I have a pain management guy and he is

basically my " dealer " that's all. >>

I'm sorry but I disagree. I didn't know what a good pain mgmt doctor was

until I found one. They should guide you through dealing with your current pain

and the use of your meds (assuming surgery is forthcoming - up to and past

surgery), and they should guide you through withdrawal and achieving a chronic

pain maintenance program - which includes, but is not limited to:

psychotherapy, physical therapy, massage therapy, DIET, and other

alternative/holistic

routines (many herbal remedies are available).

If surgery is an option: I view surgery as a tool that should get me into a

lower pain level, but it will most likely not eliminate my pain. It took me

nearly six years of noninvasive therapies to get my chronic L5/S1 and sciatica

pain under control. I got it very manageable for over 3 yrs - until I was

rear-ended on the interstate last summer. It's been a living H-*-l-l ever since

and I am not willing to invest another 6 yrs of my life with noninvasive

procedures. I choose to take my chances.

In my opinion, if anyone feels that their pain mgmt guy is simply a legal

" dealer " , then I would be inclined to say he doesn't fit into the " good " pain

management doctor category. While it probably is true that there are way more

dealers than there are good pain mgmt doctors, there are a few REAL PM

doctors out there if you look really hard. I think that once someone finds a

good

doctor, their entire outlook (attitude towards pain mgmt and their own health)

will change in a positive fashion.

One example I'd like to share is that I watched one of my best friends go

through a 4 yr ordeal with AVN (avascular necrosis) and pain mgmt. AVN is a

horrible debilitating disease in which a person's bones are so fragile they

crush under their own body weight. She'd taken a huge amount of Prednisone in

her

youth for gymnastics. It is believed that in her case, the steroids were the

cause of bone deterioration.

Her clinic in Charlotte nearly killed her with their pain medicine

'dealings'. I went with her to 2 dr visits and BEGGED her to find a new clinic

because

I felt the doctor was acting irresponsibly. Every time a new problem crept

up, instead of identifying and trying to cure them, they Rx'ed her a new pain

medicine to mask the symptoms. She was so messed up on drugs that she lost

everything from her job and house to her driver's license, friends, spouse and

most family support. Because of that she had to move to Greensboro to be

closer to her parents, who were financially supporting her. The distance forced

her to find a new pain clinic. Within TWO months they managed to undo 4 years

of drug abuse. She became lucid again, sounded so happy and full of life,

started getting her act together and rejoined society. I couldn't believe the

difference in care and how it impacted her. It was amazing.

Anyway, there IS good care out there...it may just be hard to find.

Wishing us all better health.

Best regards,

Patty A

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

[Guest guest]

Hi Stucky

Sorry, to but in, but I just happened to glance at your post here,  just to say

I don't think it's a matter of accepting fate, but more accepting reality, I

myself don't accept this pain at all I fight it everyday. It is very hard to

just wake up in the morning to just have to face another day of miserable pain,

and having to take the meds to try and counter act pain effects. I don't think

you should feel alone, though I think we are all here to help each other get

thru the depression of having pain the first thing on our mind each and every

day. I don't think theres one person here that has'nt thought at one or another

that if this is my fate I would rather not have to live with it (PAIN), and it

has cost me a lot more than just my youth.

Don't get me wrong Stucky, though I just wanted you to understand more about

what I thought about the pain and how it effects. Just only my opinion though:)

geo

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

Hi

Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

been following this group fro a while now

and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

already accepted their fate.

That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

world of pain for the rest of my life.

That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm 32

and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

much everything.

To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I feel

robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

helped a bit.

I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

norco/vicodin/ oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other times

it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

positive but pain isn't).

The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job and

that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world to

tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and don't

need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

almost immediately.

So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been on

the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc that

they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to hurtful

when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

hope.

Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great but

not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about the

pain so I really know the place where you are.

I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

luxury....

A fellow sufferer--

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@ adelphia. net>wrote:

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

> pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it

> since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stucky

Sorry, to but in, but I just happened to glance at your post here,  just to say

I don't think it's a matter of accepting fate, but more accepting reality, I

myself don't accept this pain at all I fight it everyday. It is very hard to

just wake up in the morning to just have to face another day of miserable pain,

and having to take the meds to try and counter act pain effects. I don't think

you should feel alone, though I think we are all here to help each other get

thru the depression of having pain the first thing on our mind each and every

day. I don't think theres one person here that has'nt thought at one or another

that if this is my fate I would rather not have to live with it (PAIN), and it

has cost me a lot more than just my youth.

Don't get me wrong Stucky, though I just wanted you to understand more about

what I thought about the pain and how it effects. Just only my opinion though:)

geo

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

Hi

Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

been following this group fro a while now

and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

already accepted their fate.

That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

world of pain for the rest of my life.

That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm 32

and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

much everything.

To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I feel

robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

helped a bit.

I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

norco/vicodin/ oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other times

it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

positive but pain isn't).

The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job and

that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world to

tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and don't

need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

almost immediately.

So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been on

the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc that

they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to hurtful

when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

hope.

Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great but

not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about the

pain so I really know the place where you are.

I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

luxury....

A fellow sufferer--

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@ adelphia. net>wrote:

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

> pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it

> since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to cut in too, I think we are all fighting our pain, I agree, every day I

wake up and fight it, some days its not bad and others its terrible, its almost

like every other day. Been that way now off and on for about 7 years.

It is very frustrating- I too have been evaluated by Neurosurgeons and they

basically say they same as Rocky's- that if you can function, have good days,

can hold down a job, than count your blessings cause if you have surgery than

there is no guarantee and it could be worse.

I've had one surgeon say if I can live with it I should.

My pain is excruciating sciatic pain from right si joint area or hip through

leg to foot and two to three numb toes.

Ive been told that forget about fixing the numbness, that if thats what Im

trying to do than I have a long road indeed.

I still try to fight though- 2 years of PT, and I do try to take long walks.

Its just a crappy luck of the draw, I guess statistically there are a certian

percentage that have bad discs and all the affiliated crap that goes along with

it.

But we still have to fight and if that means taking assorted cocktails of meds

to fight the pain, than thats what we have to do and hopefully it wont be

forever!

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

Hi

Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

been following this group fro a while now

and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

already accepted their fate.

That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

world of pain for the rest of my life.

That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm 32

and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

much everything.

To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I feel

robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

helped a bit.

I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

norco/vicodin/ oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other times

it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

positive but pain isn't).

The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job and

that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world to

tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and don't

need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

almost immediately.

So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been on

the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc that

they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to hurtful

when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

hope.

Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great but

not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about the

pain so I really know the place where you are.

I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

luxury....

A fellow sufferer--

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@ adelphia. net>wrote:

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

> pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it

> since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stucky,

I've had to sit here and think long and hard about what I want to

say. I've been in constant 24/7 pain with the exception of 6 weeks

since 1989. I was 30 years old when I was hurt.

I feel as though we are being blasted for answering a plea for

assistance. She asked us HOW we deal with the pain. We answered her

question. You assume that we have accepted our conditions, but until

you walk a mile in our shoes, DO NOT ASSUME that you are correct. I

was injured in 1989. In 2004 I became unable to work. That does not

mean that I have accepted my condition or my pain. Whether or not I

accept it or not does not determine whether or not I feel the pain.

Did you really read my post or did you assume you knew what I said?

Please reread it! I don't take the pain meds regularly because I

cannot afford them. I am not addicted and if I was, it would not be

your business. I don't mean to sound terse or unfeeling, but I've had

my fill of people who don't believe that I have pain and people that

think that because I break down and actually ask for help that I am

less of a person or drug seeking. If this is your attitude, then

please do not read any of my posts, because they are not for you. If

people ask a question and I have feedback, I will answer it. That's

the way I have always been regardless of my pain levels.

My mother always taught me that if you cannot say something nice then

don't say anything at all. I have to apologize to my mother again.

Sorry Mom, but it had to be said!

> Hi

>

> Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way

but I have

> been following this group fro a while now

> and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here

have

> already accepted their fate.

> That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to

accept

> that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

> world of pain for the rest of my life.

> That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you

are. I'm 32

> and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has

ruined pretty

> much everything.

> To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the

pain. I get

> depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years

ago. I feel

> robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering

that I've

> always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain

hasn't

> helped a bit.

> I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

> norco/vicodin/oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

> Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at

other times

> it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this

isn't very

> positive but pain isn't).

> The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and

my mind

> is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without

thinking too

> much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full

time job and

> that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are

pretty

> bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the

world to

> tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now

and then

> an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same

effect.

> I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day

and don't

> need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a

tolarance

> almost immediately.

> So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and

IDET, been on

> the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford

Doc that

> they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty

much

> f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can

deal with

> the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I

really

> haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay

to hurtful

> when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse

than no

> hope.

> Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that

great but

> not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

> Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think

about the

> pain so I really know the place where you are.

> I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't

have to

> explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have

that

> luxury....

>

> A fellow sufferer--

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@...>wrote:

>

> >

> > How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group.

not new to

> > pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been

dealing with it

> > since 1999.

> > __,_._,__

> > How do you all deal

> >

> > How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

> >

> > with the PAIN?????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree.  My wife hurts 24/7 and when we go to the doctor, she acts as if my

wife shouldn't be in pain etc.  No one seems to believe her but they dont live

with her.  I see for myself how much pain she is in, but it really makes me mad

when even the doctors don't seem to believe her.  They are always thinking she

is seeking drugs etc.  Why do they dr's have to be that way.  Even members of

our own family seem that way too.  They say well the surgery should have fixed

it and you should not be in pain. They just do not understand and it is hard to

make them understand.  My sister n law came and stayed with us for a week and

actually saw my wife in pain and knew she was not faking it.  You can't fake it

when your whole body shakes from the pain, especially in your sleep.  My wife

wakes me up in the middle of the night - just Shaking ( almost like a seizure)

from the pain. She is in tears and really hurts but no one be myself and our

kids seem to

believe her.  Very frustrating!  I wish one of the doctors would come and live

with us for a week and acutally see what she goes through!  Then they may

believe.  Sorry to Vent - but I do understand!  I myself have a certain amount

of pain in my legs and feet from neuroapathy and knee pain in my joints and I do

have buldging disc in my back (3) not herinated.  So I do understand some of the

pain but not anything like my wife is going through.  Thanks for your prayers

and concern. It is great to get on here and know we are not alone with all this.

It really makes me mad when I read all the post how the dr's dont believe you-

Sometimes I think all doctors are stupid and unfeeling!  I guess I get angry and

want some relief for my wife.  Thanks everyone!

>

> >

> > How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group.

not new to

> > pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been

dealing with it

> > since 1999.

> > __,_._,__

> > How do you all deal

> >

> > How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

> >

> > with the PAIN?????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Stucky, this is very well stated....one does feel imprisoned within his or her

pain...cause it limits one and needs one to ALWAYS figure out how any given

activity will be affected by that pain, and how much....and remember

this....overall, some...emphasis some, my fellow medical colleagues do not have

a clue as to the impact pain has on the life style of their pain patients...NOR

DID I....sadly. Unless one is affected, one never knows...I can only pity my

colleagues living in their vacuums...sad, sad. And thusly, our federal

government holds a club over their licenses, which is heartless and

dispassionate....The docs MUST have a vigorous balls out exercise program for

all patients...documented...on their chart review!!!!

I have a numb-sharp pain oftimes that words can't even describe...sort of

alternates...and then to give it a number...I find that the number is

continuously variable....yet that has no place in their descriptions

oftimes....frustrating trying to even communicate with the care

givers...sometimes....other times, they are the kindest caring people on the

planet..enough of this

stucky <stucky101@...> wrote:

Hi

Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

been following this group fro a while now

and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

already accepted their fate.

That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

world of pain for the rest of my life.

That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm 32

and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

much everything.

To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I feel

robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

helped a bit.

I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

norco/vicodin/oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other times

it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

positive but pain isn't).

The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job and

that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world to

tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and don't

need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

almost immediately.

So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been on

the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc that

they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to hurtful

when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

hope.

Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great but

not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about the

pain so I really know the place where you are.

I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

luxury....

A fellow sufferer--

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@...>wrote:

>

> How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new to

> pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with it

> since 1999.

> __,_._,__

> How do you all deal

>

> How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

>

> with the PAIN?????

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Geo

Sure we all deal with it differently. I was just venting like I hadn't done

in ages.

One of the things that get to me though are answers like " Find a good pain

managment doc "

Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to taking pain mends and

that's it.

I have a pain management guy and he is basically my " dealer " that's all. He

helps

me get stuff I can't legally obtain otherwise. I just think the phrase " pain

management "

is used in a misleading way many times. I'm sure already has a pain

management in some shape or form

but clearly she still has trouble dealing with the pain so to me such an

answer is simply useless.

No offence to anymone...

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Lambert <glambert28@...>wrote:

> Hi Stucky

> Sorry, to but in, but I just happened to glance at your post here, just to

> say I don't think it's a matter of accepting fate, but more accepting

> reality, I myself don't accept this pain at all I fight it everyday. It is

> very hard to just wake up in the morning to just have to face another day of

> miserable pain, and having to take the meds to try and counter act pain

> effects. I don't think you should feel alone, though I think we are all here

> to help each other get thru the depression of having pain the first thing on

> our mind each and every day. I don't think theres one person here that

> has'nt thought at one or another that if this is my fate I would rather not

> have to live with it (PAIN), and it has cost me a lot more than just my

> youth.

> Don't get me wrong Stucky, though I just wanted you to understand more

> about what I thought about the pain and how it effects. Just only my opinion

> though:)

> geo

>

>

> Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

>

> Hi

>

> Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

> been following this group fro a while now

> and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

> already accepted their fate.

> That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

> that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

> world of pain for the rest of my life.

> That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm

> 32

> and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

> much everything.

> To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

> depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I

> feel

> robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

> always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

> helped a bit.

> I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

> norco/vicodin/ oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

> Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other

> times

> it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

> positive but pain isn't).

> The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

> is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

> much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job

> and

> that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

> bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world

> to

> tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

> an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

> I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and

> don't

> need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

> almost immediately.

> So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been

> on

> the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc

> that

> they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

> f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

> the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

> haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to

> hurtful

> when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

> hope.

> Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great

> but

> not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

> Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about

> the

> pain so I really know the place where you are.

> I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

> explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

> luxury....

>

> A fellow sufferer--

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@ adelphia.

> net>wrote:

>

> >

> > How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new

> to

> > pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with

> it

> > since 1999.

> > __,_._,__

> > How do you all deal

> >

> > How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

> >

> > with the PAIN?????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes your right in one aspect of your thought, a pain management doc is one

diploma short of being a dealer, but thanks enough for that, because DEA says

you must obtain you drugs leagally. I still say if everyone here had the ability

to change their fate, do you really think any one of us would accept it as it

is?

geo

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

>

> Hi

>

> Finally someone " real " and I don't mean that in an offending way but I have

> been following this group fro a while now

> and it can't help getting the impression that a lot of folks here have

> already accepted their fate.

> That has always made me feel left out since I simply cannot seem to accept

> that I'm supposed to be locked in a constant

> world of pain for the rest of my life.

> That's why your out cry struck a nerve with me. I know where you are. I'm

> 32

> and have had chronic lower back pain since early 1996. It has ruined pretty

> much everything.

> To answer your question let me be honest - I DONT deal with the pain. I get

> depressed over it almost the same way to day than I did 10 years ago. I

> feel

> robbed of my youth and freedom. It's like a jail and considering that I've

> always had a somewhat bleak outlook on life to begin with the pain hasn't

> helped a bit.

> I'm also EXTREMELY afraid of addiction to any meds so I only take

> norco/vicodin/ oxicontin when I really feel I need to.

> Like going to the movies. At times the pain is less there but at other

> times

> it makes you wanna put a bullet though your head (sorry if this isn't very

> positive but pain isn't).

> The one thing I noticed is that if I'm very much into something and my mind

> is very occupied I can go on for a few hours sometimes without thinking too

> much about it. In that sense i'm lucky that I still hold a full time job

> and

> that I love what I do there. However, outside of work things are pretty

> bleak. I can't really travel cause there aren't enough pills in the world

> to

> tie me over and as I said - addiction. I only take these pills now and then

> an still I notice that I seem to need more and more to get the same effect.

> I have no idea how folks here take 3 or 4 different meds every day and

> don't

> need double or triple the dosis by now. My body seems to build a tolarance

> almost immediately.

> So you are not alone for sure. I have had epidurals, and IDET, been

> on

> the back stretcher, etc...but no luck. I've been told by a Stanford Doc

> that

> they know more about the heart than the spine and that I'm pretty much

> f*# & %. He literally said that if I can still work full time I can deal with

> the pain and there are other cases that are worse. Since then I really

> haven't even tried anything since the dissapoitment is just waaay to

> hurtful

> when in the end it doesn't work again. Crushed hope seems far worse than no

> hope.

> Look like a lot of folks here have religion on their side and that great

> but

> not everybody has that. I assume it helps them.

> Let me tell you not a singley day goes by that I don't think about

> the

> pain so I really know the place where you are.

> I does help to have an understanding boy/girlfriend so you don't have to

> explain why you can't do this or that but again not all of us have that

> luxury....

>

> A fellow sufferer--

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, @B & B <bbhorsetack@ adelphia.

> net>wrote:

>

> >

> > How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group. not new

> to

> > pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been dealing with

> it

> > since 1999.

> > __,_._,__

> > How do you all deal

> >

> > How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

> >

> > with the PAIN?????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

But that's what management is... *management*. Managing things... In this

case, pain. It's not making it go away, only dealing with it the best we can.

My family is upset because my pain doc won't " fix me " . I keep telling them he

can't. All he can do is make the pain barable.

If you see your pain management physician as nothing but a dealer, then you've

got, in my opinion, a skewed outlook. Many pain management physicians and

clinics don't prescribe drugs at all. Many prescribe narcotics in combination

with other therapies.

Treating pain is a branch of medical care that presents many unique challenges

to both the physician and the patient... To hold a physician in the same class

as a drug dealer seems... A bit... Narrow-minded to me.

--

Dodge

From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

--Basil Hume

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- stucky <stucky101@...> wrote:

=============

Hi Geo

Sure we all deal with it differently. I was just venting like I hadn't done

in ages.

One of the things that get to me though are answers like " Find a good pain

managment doc "

Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to taking pain mends and

that's it.

I have a pain management guy and he is basically my " dealer " that's all. He

helps

me get stuff I can't legally obtain otherwise. I just think the phrase " pain

management "

is used in a misleading way many times. I'm sure already has a pain

management in some shape or form

but clearly she still has trouble dealing with the pain so to me such an

answer is simply useless.

No offence to anymone...

[Guest guest]

Geo and group:

I think there is a difference between accepting our pain and accepting that we

always will be in pain and nothing will change, a.k.a, giving up.

I accept that right now, I am in severe pain. I accept that my injuries and

diseases have put me here. I *choose* not to let pain run my life. I *choose*

to fight it, to continue to work, to continue to help others. I *choose* not to

become a prisoner of my pain, but to be proactive in managing it and dealing

with it... You see, I have pain, it doesn't have me.

--

Dodge

From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

--Basil Hume

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- Lambert <glambert28@...> wrote:

=============

Hi Stucky

Sorry, to but in, but I just happened to glance at your post here,  just to say

I don't think it's a matter of accepting fate, but more accepting reality, I

myself don't accept this pain at all I fight it everyday. It is very hard to

just wake up in the morning to just have to face another day of miserable pain,

and having to take the meds to try and counter act pain effects. I don't think

you should feel alone, though I think we are all here to help each other get

thru the depression of having pain the first thing on our mind each and every

day. I don't think theres one person here that has'nt thought at one or another

that if this is my fate I would rather not have to live with it (PAIN), and it

has cost me a lot more than just my youth.

Don't get me wrong Stucky, though I just wanted you to understand more about

what I thought about the pain and how it effects. Just only my opinion though:)

geo

[Guest guest]

AMEN, Dodge!!! AMEN!!!

>

> But that's what management is... *management*. Managing

things... In this case, pain. It's not making it go away, only

dealing with it the best we can.

>

> My family is upset because my pain doc won't " fix me " . I keep

telling them he can't. All he can do is make the pain barable.

>

> If you see your pain management physician as nothing but a dealer,

then you've got, in my opinion, a skewed outlook. Many pain

management physicians and clinics don't prescribe drugs at all. Many

prescribe narcotics in combination with other therapies.

>

> Treating pain is a branch of medical care that presents many unique

challenges to both the physician and the patient... To hold a

physician in the same class as a drug dealer seems... A bit...

Narrow-minded to me.

>

> --

> Dodge

>

> From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

> To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

> --Basil Hume

>

> Read my blog at:

> http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

>

> ---- stucky <stucky101@...> wrote:

>

> =============

> Hi Geo

>

> Sure we all deal with it differently. I was just venting like I

hadn't done

> in ages.

> One of the things that get to me though are answers like " Find a

good pain

> managment doc "

> Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to taking pain

mends and

> that's it.

> I have a pain management guy and he is basically my " dealer " that's

all. He

> helps

> me get stuff I can't legally obtain otherwise. I just think the

phrase " pain

> management "

> is used in a misleading way many times. I'm sure already has

a pain

> management in some shape or form

> but clearly she still has trouble dealing with the pain so to me

such an

> answer is simply useless.

> No offence to anymone...

>

[Guest guest]

Dealing with and accepting pain is really two different things, You need to sit

down and really think about that. You say you cant understand how some of us can

take so many pain meds. from the tone of your letter maybe you should try some

more. Its very hard to understand how a person can stay in terrible pain when he

has the means to lighten it up.

If some one with chronic pain does get addicted to a pain killer, its really no

big deal if it helps them to have a better quality of life  A lot of chronic

pain people will hurt the rest of their life., do you want them to stay right on

the edge of suicide just because they might get addicted to something?  From the

way you talk it sounds like you should  see another type of doctor also. A man

that is in such terrible pain as you say you are and has the tools to make some

of it go away  and doesn¢t use them   its sorta hard to work up much sympathy

for.

>

> >

> > How do you alll deal wlith the PAIN???? I am new to this group.

not new to

> > pain or what it can make your life an absolute HELL...Been

dealing with it

> > since 1999.

> > __,_._,__

> > How do you all deal

> >

> > How do you all deal with the PAIN?????

> >

> > with the PAIN?????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A god pain doctor will see his job as to try and ease the pain   by what ever

none invasive means he can  right at the start., And at the same time trying to

think up a way to get some long lasting relief by other means. There is nothing

in the world wrong for a doctor to try and get  a pain  therapy started to

relive the pain  by using meds till he finds the right one or the right

combination. Or would you rather like to stay in a level 8 or 9 pain and not

take any narcotics till he comes up with something? The reason we went to him in

the first place is we have pain so bad we cant hardly stand it

From: NCGorgeous1963@... <NCGorgeous1963@...>

Subject: Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 11:46 PM

_stucky101gmail (DOT) com_ (mailto:stucky101gmail (DOT) com) writes: << " Find a good

pain managment doc " Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to

taking pain mends and that's it. I have a pain management guy and he is

basically my " dealer " that's all. >>

I'm sorry but I disagree. I didn't know what a good pain mgmt doctor was

until I found one. They should guide you through dealing with your current pain

and the use of your meds (assuming surgery is forthcoming - up to and past

surgery), and they should guide you through withdrawal and achieving a chronic

pain maintenance program - which includes, but is not limited to:

psychotherapy, physical therapy, massage therapy, DIET, and other alternative/

holistic

routines (many herbal remedies are available).

If surgery is an option: I view surgery as a tool that should get me into a

lower pain level, but it will most likely not eliminate my pain. It took me

nearly six years of noninvasive therapies to get my chronic L5/S1 and sciatica

pain under control. I got it very manageable for over 3 yrs - until I was

rear-ended on the interstate last summer. It's been a living H-*-l-l ever since

and I am not willing to invest another 6 yrs of my life with noninvasive

procedures. I choose to take my chances.

In my opinion, if anyone feels that their pain mgmt guy is simply a legal

" dealer " , then I would be inclined to say he doesn't fit into the " good " pain

management doctor category. While it probably is true that there are way more

dealers than there are good pain mgmt doctors, there are a few REAL PM

doctors out there if you look really hard. I think that once someone finds a

good

doctor, their entire outlook (attitude towards pain mgmt and their own health)

will change in a positive fashion.

One example I'd like to share is that I watched one of my best friends go

through a 4 yr ordeal with AVN (avascular necrosis) and pain mgmt. AVN is a

horrible debilitating disease in which a person's bones are so fragile they

crush under their own body weight. She'd taken a huge amount of Prednisone in

her

youth for gymnastics. It is believed that in her case, the steroids were the

cause of bone deterioration.

Her clinic in Charlotte nearly killed her with their pain medicine

'dealings'. I went with her to 2 dr visits and BEGGED her to find a new clinic

because

I felt the doctor was acting irresponsibly. Every time a new problem crept

up, instead of identifying and trying to cure them, they Rx'ed her a new pain

medicine to mask the symptoms. She was so messed up on drugs that she lost

everything from her job and house to her driver's license, friends, spouse and

most family support. Because of that she had to move to Greensboro to be

closer to her parents, who were financially supporting her. The distance forced

her to find a new pain clinic. Within TWO months they managed to undo 4 years

of drug abuse. She became lucid again, sounded so happy and full of life,

started getting her act together and rejoined society. I couldn't believe the

difference in care and how it impacted her. It was amazing.

Anyway, there IS good care out there...it may just be hard to find.

Wishing us all better health.

Best regards,

Patty A

************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

(http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)

[Guest guest]

you hit the nail right on the head GREAT LETTER!. And most pain doctors after

they see you a couple of times and make the judgement that your for real and not

using your pain as a way to get drugs. he will open up and give you something

that will do some good.

>

> But that's what management is... *management* . Managing

things... In this case, pain. It's not making it go away, only

dealing with it the best we can.

>

> My family is upset because my pain doc won't " fix me " . I keep

telling them he can't. All he can do is make the pain barable.

>

> If you see your pain management physician as nothing but a dealer,

then you've got, in my opinion, a skewed outlook. Many pain

management physicians and clinics don't prescribe drugs at all. Many

prescribe narcotics in combination with other therapies.

>

> Treating pain is a branch of medical care that presents many unique

challenges to both the physician and the patient... To hold a

physician in the same class as a drug dealer seems... A bit...

Narrow-minded to me.

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for putting it so well, I am on the same page Dodge.

wendy

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

Geo and group:

I think there is a difference between accepting our pain and accepting that we

always will be in pain and nothing will change, a.k.a, giving up.

I accept that right now, I am in severe pain. I accept that my injuries and

diseases have put me here. I *choose* not to let pain run my life. I *choose* to

fight it, to continue to work, to continue to help others. I *choose* not to

become a prisoner of my pain, but to be proactive in managing it and dealing

with it... You see, I have pain, it doesn't have me.

--

Dodge

From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

--Basil Hume

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- Lambert <glambert28@...> wrote:

=============

Hi Stucky

Sorry, to but in, but I just happened to glance at your post here, just to say

I don't think it's a matter of accepting fate, but more accepting reality, I

myself don't accept this pain at all I fight it everyday. It is very hard to

just wake up in the morning to just have to face another day of miserable pain,

and having to take the meds to try and counter act pain effects. I don't think

you should feel alone, though I think we are all here to help each other get

thru the depression of having pain the first thing on our mind each and every

day. I don't think theres one person here that has'nt thought at one or another

that if this is my fate I would rather not have to live with it (PAIN), and it

has cost me a lot more than just my youth.

Don't get me wrong Stucky, though I just wanted you to understand more about

what I thought about the pain and how it effects. Just only my opinion though:)

geo

[Guest guest]

stucky

if I sounded flip suggesting a good pain management doctor that is not what I

intended. I mean that there are a lot of them out there that just prescribe

drugs and out the door you go and you dont see them again for months .

There are very good ones out there too, but sometimes it takes digging and

talking to Docs and maybe you might get a referral to someone good, or you

research and finally find someone who is willing to listen to you, see you

regular and frequent to get you on track and get you off the narcotics if that

is an option, which for some its not and for some it is.

A good pain managment Doc also encourage more in life than just drugs-

meditation, accupuncture, physical therapy, exercise of some kind that is

manageable, a good hobby.

So that is what I mean- finding someone good. It can take a long time to find

someone good, but once you do, your quality of life can improve. In the

meantime we still fight every day to participate in life and enjoy a quality of

life that we can.

wendy

Re: Re: [spinal Disorders Support

But that's what management is... *management*. Managing things... In this case,

pain. It's not making it go away, only dealing with it the best we can.

My family is upset because my pain doc won't " fix me " . I keep telling them he

can't. All he can do is make the pain barable.

If you see your pain management physician as nothing but a dealer, then you've

got, in my opinion, a skewed outlook. Many pain management physicians and

clinics don't prescribe drugs at all. Many prescribe narcotics in combination

with other therapies.

Treating pain is a branch of medical care that presents many unique challenges

to both the physician and the patient... To hold a physician in the same class

as a drug dealer seems... A bit... Narrow-minded to me.

--

Dodge

From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

--Basil Hume

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- stucky <stucky101@...> wrote:

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Hi Geo

Sure we all deal with it differently. I was just venting like I hadn't done

in ages.

One of the things that get to me though are answers like " Find a good pain

managment doc "

Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight to taking pain mends and

that's it.

I have a pain management guy and he is basically my " dealer " that's all. He

helps

me get stuff I can't legally obtain otherwise. I just think the phrase " pain

management "

is used in a misleading way many times. I'm sure already has a pain

management in some shape or form

but clearly she still has trouble dealing with the pain so to me such an

answer is simply useless.

No offence to anymone...

[Guest guest]

TomTom

My heart goes out to your wife and your family. It

makes me so angry to know people suffer so and aren't

taken seriously. It happens to me and all of us on

here.

I pray for an answer for her and healing, as well as

the strength to carry on. I know that it's hard for

family members as well, to cope with a loved one in

chronic pain. It takes a toll on everyone.

God bless you,

[Guest guest]

Amen Dodge.

--- Dodge <medicdodge@...> wrote:

> But that's what management is... *management*.

> Managing things... In this case, pain. It's not

> making it go away, only dealing with it the best we

> can.

>

> My family is upset because my pain doc won't " fix

> me " . I keep telling them he can't. All he can do

> is make the pain barable.

>

> If you see your pain management physician as nothing

> but a dealer, then you've got, in my opinion, a

> skewed outlook. Many pain management physicians and

> clinics don't prescribe drugs at all. Many

> prescribe narcotics in combination with other

> therapies.

>

> Treating pain is a branch of medical care that

> presents many unique challenges to both the

> physician and the patient... To hold a physician in

> the same class as a drug dealer seems... A bit...

> Narrow-minded to me.

>

> --

> Dodge

>

> From acquaintances we conceal our real selves.

> To our friends we reveal our weaknesses.

> --Basil Hume

>

> Read my blog at:

> http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

>

> ---- stucky <stucky101@...> wrote:

>

> =============

> Hi Geo

>

> Sure we all deal with it differently. I was just

> venting like I hadn't done

> in ages.

> One of the things that get to me though are answers

> like " Find a good pain

> managment doc "

> Let's face it - pain mangement translates straight

> to taking pain mends and

> that's it.

> I have a pain management guy and he is basically my

> " dealer " that's all. He

> helps

> me get stuff I can't legally obtain otherwise. I

> just think the phrase " pain

> management "

> is used in a misleading way many times. I'm sure

> already has a pain

> management in some shape or form

> but clearly she still has trouble dealing with the

> pain so to me such an

> answer is simply useless.

> No offence to anymone...

>

>