Re: spinal Stenoise

October 28, 2009

Yes, I was stuck in a waiting room watching an infomercial on it over and

over and over.

(I'd just note that " outpatient " covers a lot of territory these days, it

still involves a hospital and general anesthesia for the " installation. " .)

In a message dated 10/28/2009 7:27:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bugsy1970@... writes:

Let me know if

anyone heard of this before?

October 28, 2009

Yes, I was stuck in a waiting room watching an infomercial on it over and

over and over.

(I'd just note that " outpatient " covers a lot of territory these days, it

still involves a hospital and general anesthesia for the " installation. " .)

In a message dated 10/28/2009 7:27:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bugsy1970@... writes:

Let me know if

anyone heard of this before?

October 28, 2009

Gosh, so chiros all work for FREE? I'd not known that before.

In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:51:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

aquadc@... writes:

many other medical money making procedures a

October 28, 2009

I have found something that anyone over the age of 50 suffering should take

a look at this link. The device is called X-Stop by Medtronic it is

installed on a outpatient bases but should really talk to your Dr about it.

http://www.drschiffer.com/procedures_xstop_symptoms.html Let me know if

anyone heard of this before?

Roman

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Bugsy <Bugsy1970@...> wrote:

> First off no one removes any spinal cords if they do you be paralyzed.

>

> Second spinal stanois is caused by bones hitting against spinal cord and

> thus cause narrowing.

>

> Roman

>

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Barb <ellijaygal@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Spinal Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal where it compresses on

>> nerves and sometimes the spinal cord isn't it? It can be corrected by

>> decompression of the roots/cord by a laminectomy (bone surgery) is that

>> correct??

>>

>> When I said I have spinal cord issues I mean problems a bit more involved

>> with the spinal cord itself.

>>

>> I truly don't understand the " Spinal Stenois is a spinal cord issue? " if

>> you are being genuine in your question or being sarcastic. Every back injury

>> has an effect on the spinal cord or the nerve roots or else it wouldn't

>> hurt. What I am saying is that some issues are more complex and require more

>> than bone manipulation, it requires actual spinal cord removal, disection,

>> and repair. I would prefer a neuro for that and I would prefer they know how

>> to repair the bone when finished.

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second

>> surgery and

>> > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go

>> down

>> > > my

>> > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro

>> > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to

>> the

>> > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a

>> re-occurance.

>> > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the

>> ball

>> > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that

>> who of

>> > > the

>> > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery?

>> From

>> > > what

>> > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain

>> is

>> > > less

>> > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many

>> nerve

>> > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I

>> still

>> > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients

>> to

>> > > make

>> > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery.

>> > > >

>> > > > Bugsy

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Roman Segal

>> > Certified Integrity Investigator

>> > 847-414-0598

>> >

October 28, 2009

Roman,

As a Chiropractic Physician that went to school way too long to become a

Clinical Neurologist I am very well versed with L-spine extension dynamics.

X-stop is an invasive appliance that limits ability for that single vertebra

from extending. There's a simple fact that goes something like this; when one

part of a system is limited, other parts must make up that loss. In simple

english; X-stop causes more problems.

This isn't a new medical scam, much like Discectomy (when progressive hard

neurologic deficiets aren't present), Fusion (when instability is not an issue)

and many, many other medical money making procedures at our tax expense, real

people are left with outcome that cascade into greater problems requiring even

more medical money making ventures.

It's time for change - it's time for Chiropractic.

regards,

AQUADC, DABCN

>

>>

>> Spinal Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal where it compresses on

>> nerves and sometimes the spinal cord isn't it? It can be corrected by

>> decompression of the roots/cord by a laminectomy (bone surgery) is that

>> correct??

>>

>> When I said I have spinal cord issues I mean problems a bit more involved

>> with the spinal cord itself.

>>

>> I truly don't understand the " Spinal Stenois is a spinal cord issue? " if

>> you are being genuine in your question or being sarcastic. Every back injury

>> has an effect on the spinal cord or the nerve roots or else it wouldn't

>> hurt. What I am saying is that some issues are more complex and require more

>> than bone manipulation, it requires actual spinal cord removal, disection,

>> and repair. I would prefer a neuro for that and I would prefer they know how

>> to repair the bone when finished.

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second

>> surgery and

>> > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go

>> down

>> > > my

>> > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro

>> > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to

>> the

>> > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a

>> re-occurance.

>> > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the

>> ball

>> > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that

>> who of

>> > > the

>> > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery?

>> From

>> > > what

>> > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain

>> is

>> > > less

>> > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many

>> nerve

>> > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I

>> still

>> > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients

>> to

>> > > make

>> > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery.

>> > > >

>> > > > Bugsy

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Roman Segal

>> > Certified Integrity Investigator

>> > 847-414-0598

>> >

October 28, 2009

Spinal Stenosis can be caused by any space occupying lesion from; infection,

neoplasm, trauma, etc. The most common cause is failed back surgery for IVD HNP

cascading into post operative Spondylosis. Post Operative Spondyloapthy is so

common, it has its own ICD-9 Code.

The healthiest place to begin care for any condition, especially Spinal is with

your Chiropractic Physician.

Learn facts.

regards,

AQUADC, DABCN

>

>>

>> Spinal Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal where it compresses on

>> nerves and sometimes the spinal cord isn't it? It can be corrected by

>> decompression of the roots/cord by a laminectomy (bone surgery) is that

>> correct??

>>

>> When I said I have spinal cord issues I mean problems a bit more involved

>> with the spinal cord itself.

>>

>> I truly don't understand the " Spinal Stenois is a spinal cord issue? " if

>> you are being genuine in your question or being sarcastic. Every back injury

>> has an effect on the spinal cord or the nerve roots or else it wouldn't

>> hurt. What I am saying is that some issues are more complex and require more

>> than bone manipulation, it requires actual spinal cord removal, disection,

>> and repair. I would prefer a neuro for that and I would prefer they know how

>> to repair the bone when finished.

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second

>> surgery and

>> > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go

>> down

>> > > my

>> > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro

>> > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to

>> the

>> > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a

>> re-occurance.

>> > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the

>> ball

>> > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that

>> who of

>> > > the

>> > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery?

>> From

>> > > what

>> > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain

>> is

>> > > less

>> > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many

>> nerve

>> > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I

>> still

>> > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients

>> to

>> > > make

>> > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery.

>> > > >

>> > > > Bugsy

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Roman Segal

>> > Certified Integrity Investigator

>> > 847-414-0598

>> >

October 28, 2009

Good lord...you have no real life medical experience with spine and

surgery...that was a whole lot of five dollar words and acronyms that really

don't account for a whole lot. Just stop.

--- Babbitt

________________________________

From: b p <aquadc@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:51:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re: spinal Stenoise

Spinal Stenosis can be caused by any space occupying lesion from; infection,

neoplasm, trauma, etc. The most common cause is failed back surgery for IVD HNP

cascading into post operative Spondylosis. Post Operative Spondyloapthy is so

common, it has its own ICD-9 Code.

The healthiest place to begin care for any condition, especially Spinal is with

your Chiropractic Physician.

Learn facts.

regards,

AQUADC, DABCN

>

>>

>> Spinal Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal where it compresses on

>> nerves and sometimes the spinal cord isn't it? It can be corrected by

>> decompression of the roots/cord by a laminectomy (bone surgery) is that

>> correct??

>>

>> When I said I have spinal cord issues I mean problems a bit more involved

>> with the spinal cord itself.

>>

>> I truly don't understand the " Spinal Stenois is a spinal cord issue? " if

>> you are being genuine in your question or being sarcastic. Every back injury

>> has an effect on the spinal cord or the nerve roots or else it wouldn't

>> hurt. What I am saying is that some issues are more complex and require more

>> than bone manipulation, it requires actual spinal cord removal, disection,

>> and repair. I would prefer a neuro for that and I would prefer they know how

>> to repair the bone when finished.

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second

>> surgery and

>> > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go

>> down

>> > > my

>> > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro

>> > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to

>> the

>> > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a

>> re-occurance.

>> > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the

>> ball

>> > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that

>> who of

>> > > the

>> > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery?

>> From

>> > > what

>> > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain

>> is

>> > > less

>> > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many

>> nerve

>> > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I

>> still

>> > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients

>> to

>> > > make

>> > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery.

>> > > >

>> > > > Bugsy

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Roman Segal

>> > Certified Integrity Investigator

>> > 847-414-0598

>> >

October 28, 2009

So true--it's happened to me. Now I'm trying to hold off as long as I can,

sadly. My surgeon said he didn't want to fuse me because of my age (I was 38 at

the time). Now I'm 41 and in as bad of shape as last time, but without the nerve

root being completely truncated.

>

> AQUADC,

>

> ...there's a reason to fuse someone with a bad disc, someone who cannot

function anymore with a bad disc...and that is because doing a discectomy first

only adds a procedure. They will need a fusion eventually due to the discectomy.

So it actually is a decision in the best interest of the patient and health

finances to do a fusion right off instead of yanking a patient around and

subjecting them to multiple surgeries.

> --- Babbitt

October 28, 2009

Acupuncture is great too. Best treatment around for back pain.

Re: Re: spinal Stenoise

Spinal Stenosis can be caused by any space occupying lesion from; infection,

neoplasm, trauma, etc. The most common cause is failed back surgery for IVD

HNP cascading into post operative Spondylosis. Post Operative Spondyloapthy

is so common, it has its own ICD-9 Code.

The healthiest place to begin care for any condition, especially Spinal is

with your Chiropractic Physician.

Learn facts.

regards,

AQUADC, DABCN

>

>>

>> Spinal Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal where it compresses on

>> nerves and sometimes the spinal cord isn't it? It can be corrected by

>> decompression of the roots/cord by a laminectomy (bone surgery) is that

>> correct??

>>

>> When I said I have spinal cord issues I mean problems a bit more involved

>> with the spinal cord itself.

>>

>> I truly don't understand the " Spinal Stenois is a spinal cord issue? " if

>> you are being genuine in your question or being sarcastic. Every back

>> injury

>> has an effect on the spinal cord or the nerve roots or else it wouldn't

>> hurt. What I am saying is that some issues are more complex and require

>> more

>> than bone manipulation, it requires actual spinal cord removal,

>> disection,

>> and repair. I would prefer a neuro for that and I would prefer they know

>> how

>> to repair the bone when finished.

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second

>> surgery and

>> > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go

>> down

>> > > my

>> > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro

>> > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to

>> the

>> > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a

>> re-occurance.

>> > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the

>> ball

>> > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that

>> who of

>> > > the

>> > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery?

>> From

>> > > what

>> > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and

>> > > > pain

>> is

>> > > less

>> > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many

>> nerve

>> > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I

>> still

>> > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients

>> to

>> > > make

>> > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery.

>> > > >

>> > > > Bugsy

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Roman Segal

>> > Certified Integrity Investigator

>> > 847-414-0598

>> >

October 29, 2009

, Knowing what I now know, I know exactly what you're talking about in this

post. (I deleted parts that were not relevant to this post.) HOWEVER, when I

had my 1st surgery (and what I'd like to be the ONLY surgery), I was led to

believe by the surgeon that fusion puts stress on the disc above & below, (which

causes futures problems???and more surgery.) I don't feel I had ALL of the

details about fusion. But because I have a bulging disc above the microsurgery,

this justified to me why I shouldn't have a fusion (from what he was telling

me). Does anyone else have any do's & don'ts after a microdisectomy?

Also, Can you or anyone recommend any activity(s) to avoid in order to prolong

the need for another surgery? I don't lift much as this causes pain in that

area and no push/pull motion.

Thanks

>

And there's a reason to fuse someone with a bad disc, someone who cannot

function anymore with a bad disc...and that is because doing a discectomy first

only adds a procedure. They will need a fusion eventually due to the discectomy.

So it actually is a decision in the best interest of the patient and health

finances to do a fusion right off instead of yanking a patient around and

subjecting them to multiple surgeries.

> --- Babbitt

>

October 30, 2009

tracy is absolutely right. I wish I would have jumped straight to fusion of my

lumbar herniation rather than go thru

the pain, misery and 2 discectomies prior. I let my need to cover my office

supercede my own health. I was back at

work bending, twisting and torquing daily and of course they discs reherniated

even worse. I had a cervical fusion in addition

to the first discectomy and have had NO problems with that at all. Hindsight

rears it ugly head.

dr bob

________________________________

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 12:36:31 PM

Subject: Re: Re: spinal Stenoise

Get acupuncture.

Re: spinal Stenoise

, Knowing what I now know, I know exactly what you're talking about in

this post. (I deleted parts that were not relevant to this post.) HOWEVER,

when I had my 1st surgery (and what I'd like to be the ONLY surgery), I was

led to believe by the surgeon that fusion puts stress on the disc above &

below, (which causes futures problems???and more surgery.) I don't feel I

had ALL of the details about fusion. But because I have a bulging disc

above the microsurgery, this justified to me why I shouldn't have a fusion

(from what he was telling me). Does anyone else have any do's & don'ts after

a microdisectomy?

Also, Can you or anyone recommend any activity(s) to avoid in order to

prolong the need for another surgery? I don't lift much as this causes pain

in that area and no push/pull motion.

Thanks

>

And there's a reason to fuse someone with a bad disc, someone who cannot

function anymore with a bad disc...and that is because doing a discectomy

first only adds a procedure. They will need a fusion eventually due to the

discectomy. So it actually is a decision in the best interest of the patient

and health finances to do a fusion right off instead of yanking a patient

around and subjecting them to multiple surgeries.

> --- Babbitt

>

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October 30, 2009