Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Bob, I think your statement " I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! " Says a lot about you. You do PT in addition to Chiro, and I think you know when you can help verses making a Chiro can 'cure' anything. I went to a Chiro for a short time a couple of years years ago. Lovely man, great staff, and went I am able, I plan on going to his massage therapists again. He told me the same thing, " I cannot cure you. " He did try to make me feel better, after seening the x-rays, and MRI's (from my Ortho's office), he decided that he could end up hurting me, and told me to stick with the ortho but try to avoid surgery as long as I could. I have RA, so avoid surgery once RA starts eating away on a joint is a matter of time. I just wanted to let you know that I had a good experience with a chiropactor and his staff. That said, in my opinion you are light years away from the troll we currently have on our list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > > > my > > > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > > > the > > > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > > > what > > > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > > > less > > > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > > > make > > > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roman Segal > > > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > > > 847-414-0598 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks . It's close to me because my little brother, who is trying SO HARD to avoid surgery, has multi-level stenosis among one or two other things. He's been getting milked by a chiro for years now. Twice a month, sometimes more for several years. And since he had a work injury, the chiro saw dollar signs because work comp pays for it, and has him convinced he needs to go. So has regular buisness from my brother, and no matter what I say, that chiro is so convinced of his own abilities and sells himself so well...my brother keeps going. No one but a spine surgeon can relieve spinal stenosis...you have to remove bone! --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@...> spinal problems Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 10:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , Thank you for your compliments. Yes, like Bob, I have history of medical training and experience. However, I also have history practicing Chiropractic and now, clinical neurology. Helping others is lifes greatest reward and I trust that you can share that fact. Also, Chiropractic Physicians do not practice PT. PTs' are medical slaves designed to do a medics biding, usually do not know how to manage because, they can not diagnose much less plan treatment. That's the reason we have Chiropractic Physicians. Try peace, you'll like it. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: cynthiadew1 <vikingbead@...> Subject: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 5:42 PM Bob, I think your statement " I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! " Says a lot about you. You do PT in addition to Chiro, and I think you know when you can help verses making a Chiro can 'cure' anything. I went to a Chiro for a short time a couple of years years ago. Lovely man, great staff, and went I am able, I plan on going to his massage therapists again. He told me the same thing, " I cannot cure you. " He did try to make me feel better, after seening the x-rays, and MRI's (from my Ortho's office), he decided that he could end up hurting me, and told me to stick with the ortho but try to avoid surgery as long as I could. I have RA, so avoid surgery once RA starts eating away on a joint is a matter of time. I just wanted to let you know that I had a good experience with a chiropactor and his staff. That said, in my opinion you are light years away from the troll we currently have on our list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > > > my > > > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > > > the > > > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > > > what > > > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > > > less > > > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > > > make > > > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roman Segal > > > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > > > 847-414-0598 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 . That has to be grim for anyone. I managed to avoid either throwing up or fainting while observing one autopsy for work (I was a Public Defender) but I seriously had to NOT look at the next table over...they were autopsying a baby. In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:32:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: REALLY??? AGAIN???? It's actually making me chuckle...which is much needed today after having to autopsy a 12 year old girl with H1N1. I needed a laugh. --- Babbitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Aqua or whatever you name is I wasn't complimenting you. I would like you to pack your toys and take you and your baggage train to your next set of victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Ah, but many low-rent chiros rely on equally sleazy lawyers to give them a steady stream of " patients " after a vehicular accidents on OTJ injuries, or claims there of, to run up the bill for workman's comp or the insurance company involved, which will generally up the lawyer's fee as well. Bottom feeders tend to find one another. Chiros are more than happy to bill forever for slapping a warm wet towel on the back of someone's neck and calling it therapy. judith In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:33:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: You disgust me with statements like that AQUA. Court has nothing to do with what a person experienced. There are far MORE injuries and misdiagnoses than EVER make it to court, as they are very difficult to prove. It does NOT however mean that something did or did not happen. It is not for you nor I to judge whos at fault and who dropped the ball. It IS important to edcate and SUPPORT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Oh, I'm quite calm, quite civil and quite informed. But...despite what research shows...personal experience is worth far more. Don't think I'm uneducated and unappreciative of the good that chiropractors can do. I do believe they have a valid place in modern medicine....but I've found that it's gone to the heads of far too many DC's. To the point that they do their own organization harm, as well as the patients they take advantge of. My opinion is that a physical therapist with a Masters' or PhD could learn to do the manipulations that chiros do and be far more effective, as they treat the myo-fascial part of the spine that has FAR more effect on back pain. They are doing cranio-sacral therapy, massage, gentle yoga for pain reduction, stretching and strengthening the imperative core muscle group along with the adjunct supportive muscles. The intricate way muscles combine and connect with other muscles to support the spine should be much more a focus. Something I have championed here multiple times. I am not someone who encourages surgery right off. I have been a part of this group for many years in the hopes of helping those avoid surgery who can, and be fully ducated about the options as well as the facts and downfalls of surgery, which as you know is sometimes inevitable. Oh, and you're really holding on to a 21 year old conviction? Your words on that topic fall on deaf ears. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: b p <aquadc@...> spinal problems Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 10:25:09 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thanks for your reply , I appreciate your subjective honesty however, your attempt to discredit and then, threaten are adolescent. I understand that you have personal issues, we all have. May I suggest that you consider maturing and learning facts before you make similar errors. The facts are; Chiropractic has stood up to this kind of attack before resulting in the AMA and practically all of its academies guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest growing and most trusted health care providers because, it works and most of all, it works best 90% of the time. We will be much, much healthier when there are 90% more Chiropractic Physicians. I apologize if these facts rain on your parade yet, I believe that when you cool down, you too will join the health movement. When you are ready to discuss more civilly, please, let us know. We're here to help. sincerely, Dr. AQUA > > > > " I still wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us > patients to make call easier by having only one industry perform spine > surgery. " > > That's really not possible. There are some of us that have problems beyond > bone issues that must be treated by a neurosurgeon. In order to treat my > problems my neuro has to know the job of ortho's to remove, replace, and > fuse the areas in my back after the job of working on my spinal cord/nerves > is finished. I surely would not want to take away the ability of a neuro to > be able to do the job of an ortho because then instead of paying one doctor, > people like me would have to have two. Ortho to create the opening for the > Neuro to work on the spinal cord, and then the Ortho would have to close, > fuse or whatever after the neuro was finished. Neuro's have to know > something about the bones to be able to do their job. > > It's like Tracey said if you have no spinal cord/brain issues then the > choice should probably be an ortho. > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > my > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > the > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > what > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > less > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > make > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > Bugsy > > > > > -- Roman Segal Certified Integrity Investigator 847-414-0598 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks for your support and reply . Yours is another perfect example of why chiropractors need to be reigned in. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: Price <pebbles2125@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:29:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters Tracey, I myelf agree with u. I was sent to one for my back and my headaches and here to find out I have Chiari malformation and i see the surgeon tomorrow for that and my back the deteration in my spine and my herniated discs. I will not go back to a Chiro it made everything worse. price From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Well if you reach the point where nothing gets to you, time to hang up your nurse's cap, not that nurses wear them any more. In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:05:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: Yeah, as tough as nails as I can be, I cried for 15 minutes before, 15 minutes after and in the shower when I got home. And I won't feel weak or ashamed about it. It was hard and I had to be soooooo brave to pick up that scalpel. Funny, the 5 day old baby didn't get to me the way the 12 year old did. Maybe because I have a 12 year old...maybe because the stress is mounting at every dept of health...we are all very concerned about H1N1...and I'm not one to worry. This is just so different and it's disconcerting to see the " experts " taken by surprise, and being concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , I'm sorry you feel that way and hope that you feel better soon . Let me know how I may help. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: cynthiadew1 <vikingbead@...> Subject: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 6:47 PM Aqua or whatever you name is I wasn't complimenting you. I would like you to pack your toys and take you and your baggage train to your next set of victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 You disgust me with statements like that AQUA. Court has nothing to do with what a person experienced. There are far MORE injuries and misdiagnoses than EVER make it to court, as they are very difficult to prove. It does NOT however mean that something did or did not happen. It is not for you nor I to judge whos at fault and who dropped the ball. It IS important to edcate and SUPPORT. Amada don't listen to this guy. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: b p <aquadc@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:56:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters , I am sorry to read your story because, unfortunately, if you were hurt, until you win a criminal and or malpractice claim, it didn't happen. I suggest you tell your Chiropractic Physician what you perceive and let them provide care, be it different treatment protocols, referral to a Chiropractic Neurologist or other. As a Chiropractic Neurologist I have diagnosed many Chiari Malformations and even post trauma Cerebellar tonsil herniations with healthy outcomes. You deserve the best and we are here to help. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 His AMA felony charge is all he has to stand on...which in and of itself is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard on here. He continues to repeat the same few statistics over and over...but has yet to actually say anything that makes chiropractors look good. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: " jarcher107@... " <jarcher107@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:41:56 PM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters Are you aware that in true accusations that a person or entity has a record of felonious conviction is libel per se? In a message dated 10/28/2009 12:26:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc (DOT) com writes: You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 REALLY??? AGAIN???? It's actually making me chuckle...which is much needed today after having to autopsy a 12 year old girl with H1N1. I needed a laugh. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: b p <aquadc@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:46:10 PM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters On September 25, 1987, Getzendanner issued her opinion that the AMA had violated Section 1, but not 2, of the Sherman Act, and that it had engaged in an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade " to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession. " (Wilk v. American Medical Ass'n, 671 F. Supp. 1465, N.D. Ill. 1987). She further opined that the " AMA had entered into a long history of illegal behavior " . And, she then issued a permanent injunction against the AMA under Section 16 of the Clayton Act to prevent such future behavior. From: jarcher107aol (DOT) com <jarcher107aol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:41 PM Are you aware that in true accusations that a person or entity has a record of felonious conviction is libel per se? In a message dated 10/28/2009 12:26:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc (DOT) com writes: You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If it was that bad, wouldn't your brother know it? The fact is that pain is not identical to any physical condition or lack thereof. There are many alternative methods for treating pain, and each case varies with each individual. Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery > > > and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go > > > down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to > > > the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a > > > re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who > > > of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? > > > From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain > > > is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many > > > nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I > > > still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah, as tough as nails as I can be, I cried for 15 minutes before, 15 minutes after and in the shower when I got home. And I won't feel weak or ashamed about it. It was hard and I had to be soooooo brave to pick up that scalpel. Funny, the 5 day old baby didn't get to me the way the 12 year old did. Maybe because I have a 12 year old...maybe because the stress is mounting at every dept of health...we are all very concerned about H1N1...and I'm not one to worry. This is just so different and it's disconcerting to see the " experts " taken by surprise, and being concerned. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: " jarcher107@... " <jarcher107@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 11:46:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters . That has to be grim for anyone. I managed to avoid either throwing up or fainting while observing one autopsy for work (I was a Public Defender) but I seriously had to NOT look at the next table over...they were autopsying a baby. In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:32:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977 writes: REALLY??? AGAIN???? It's actually making me chuckle...which is much needed today after having to autopsy a 12 year old girl with H1N1. I needed a laugh. --- Babbitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well I hope it is restricted, because I've just seen it abused endlessly, with low-life lawyers aiding and abetting. I was rear-ended while stopped in a construction zone years ago and fractured a couple cervical vertabrae..I was still young enough to be immortal, so don't even ask which ones or how bad: all I can say is it was minor enough that nothing was done, though there was the offer a chiropractic " treatment.. " I asked what it would involve and was told that yes, draping warm, moist towels about my neck was the extent of it. I just laughed and said " I think I can manage that on my own, I " ll take a pass. " judith In a message dated 10/29/2009 8:31:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.tom@... writes: Yes thats why there are the Nurse Case Managers that have to follow that stuff in workmans comp, and it can go on and on and on...the poor patient hoping that just one more treatment will finally end their misery...but it doesnt. With the insurance company I work with they at least try to control that stuff with referrals that last only 90 days, and than the chiro has to get another referral and submit notes for review and if the patient is not making any " progress " they will not be renewed. I think that stuff will get stricter as health care dollars are being squeezed even tighter. thanks and good input Judith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I cant even describe what I would imagine you must have gone through to do an autospy of a 12 yr old. You are an increidably brave, strong woman, and continue to be that! I cant even imagine doing that, than coming home to reading crazy emails started by our crazy buddy who I hope is gone...I understand why you said you got the giggles, in the face of life's stresses and the scope of it all, his crazy statements were so ridiculous as to make one crack up into a laughing frenzy...(thats actually what I did after reading awhile) and that laughter was very therapuetic. (Helps put it all in perspective.) Anyway I dont think anyone on here has a job like you, I just process stuiped medical claims now (that my back has got me out of patient care) and so I just want to say a big " Thank you " for the job you do, that impacts the rest of us in the progress that health & medical science.. progress every day...with the likes of you assisting bringing the data to the research table with your job...you have one hell of a tough but very meaningful job. Thank you for doing it, the rest of us depend on someone like you out there! Hang in there and big Hugs today! ((())) Take a hot soak with some nice Epson salts and tell the kids to make you dinner! RN in DC > > Well if you reach the point where nothing gets to you, time to hang up > your nurse's cap, not that nurses wear them any more. > > > In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:05:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tpowell1977@... writes: > > Yeah, as tough as nails as I can be, I cried for 15 minutes before, 15 > minutes after and in the shower when I got home. And I won't feel weak or > ashamed about it. It was hard and I had to be soooooo brave to pick up that > scalpel. > > Funny, the 5 day old baby didn't get to me the way the 12 year old did. > Maybe because I have a 12 year old...maybe because the stress is mounting at > every dept of health...we are all very concerned about H1N1...and I'm not > one to worry. This is just so different and it's disconcerting to see the > " experts " taken by surprise, and being concerned. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yes thats why there are the Nurse Case Managers that have to follow that stuff in workmans comp, and it can go on and on and on...the poor patient hoping that just one more treatment will finally end their misery...but it doesnt. With the insurance company I work with they at least try to control that stuff with referrals that last only 90 days, and than the chiro has to get another referral and submit notes for review and if the patient is not making any " progress " they will not be renewed. I think that stuff will get stricter as health care dollars are being squeezed even tighter. thanks and good input Judith. RN in DC > > Ah, but many low-rent chiros rely on equally sleazy lawyers to give them a > steady stream of " patients " after a vehicular accidents on OTJ injuries, > or claims there of, to run up the bill for workman's comp or the insurance > company involved, which will generally up the lawyer's fee as well. > > Bottom feeders tend to find one another. Chiros are more than happy to > bill forever for slapping a warm wet towel on the back of someone's neck and > calling it therapy. > > judith > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:33:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tpowell1977@... writes: > > You disgust me with statements like that AQUA. Court has nothing to do > with what a person experienced. There are far MORE injuries and misdiagnoses > than EVER make it to court, as they are very difficult to prove. It does NOT > however mean that something did or did not happen. It is not for you nor I > to judge whos at fault and who dropped the ball. It IS important to edcate > and SUPPORT. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 , You are so right about the myo-fascial component. You explained that very well. My PT did so much more for me than all those trips to the chiro years ago, and a good massage therapist (whom I have found) can also help with this..and all the great benefits of massage going along as well. RN > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yes they should take care of it if its work related, I was referring to just regular insurance here (sorry I made a leap without explaining) , like when someone is at home, back goes into spasm, they go to the MD and get a referral for chiropractic, or PT or whatever....they uusally get referrals that last for 90 days and than the chiro, PT has to submit notes to get more visits. Usually they get more visits and than if the notes dont sustain medical necessity the insurance can deny to the provider on the back end. Workmans comp is a different program. I dont work in that area so only know what some of my co-workers who used to do that have told me, which isnt a whole lot, just that they have Nurse case managers. RN > > > > Ah, but many low-rent chiros rely on equally sleazy lawyers to give them a > > steady stream of " patients " after a vehicular accidents on OTJ injuries, > > or claims there of, to run up the bill for workman's comp or the insurance > > company involved, which will generally up the lawyer's fee as well. > > > > Bottom feeders tend to find one another. Chiros are more than happy to > > bill forever for slapping a warm wet towel on the back of someone's neck and > > calling it therapy. > > > > judith > > > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:33:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > tpowell1977@ ... writes: > > > > You disgust me with statements like that AQUA. Court has nothing to do > > with what a person experienced. There are far MORE injuries and misdiagnoses > > than EVER make it to court, as they are very difficult to prove. It does NOT > > however mean that something did or did not happen. It is not for you nor I > > to judge whos at fault and who dropped the ball. It IS important to edcate > > and SUPPORT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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