Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 In a message dated 10/27/2009 9:23:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: There's a reason why I didn't approve your request to join the group..apparently someone else did. Please save your spouting for the suckers in your office. And puhleeze don't call yourself a doctor. Ugh. --- Babbitt I'm hoping that means we've heard the last from this person? judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I had one show me " my " xrays, with all sorts of problems which, of course, eh could cure...though it would take 2-3 sessions a week for a year. The problem I had was my car keys were in my jean's key pocket, and while the rads extended below that...no keys on the film. Oh. Well, someone had a lot of back issues. I'm sure chiropractors like everyone else come in all flavors, but I don't see where even legit ones are going to be of much use with spinal issues. (And that's before we go into the annoyance factor of all the political ranting.) judith In a message dated 10/27/2009 10:21:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.tom@... writes: I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Thanks for your reply , I appreciate your subjective honesty however, your attempt to discredit and then, threaten are adolescent. I understand that you have personal issues, we all have. May I suggest that you consider maturing and learning facts before you make similar errors. The facts are; Chiropractic has stood up to this kind of attack before resulting in the AMA and practically all of its academies guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest growing and most trusted health care providers because, it works and most of all, it works best 90% of the time. We will be much, much healthier when there are 90% more Chiropractic Physicians. I apologize if these facts rain on your parade yet, I believe that when you cool down, you too will join the health movement. When you are ready to discuss more civilly, please, let us know. We're here to help. sincerely, Dr. AQUA > > > > " I still wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us > patients to make call easier by having only one industry perform spine > surgery. " > > That's really not possible. There are some of us that have problems beyond > bone issues that must be treated by a neurosurgeon. In order to treat my > problems my neuro has to know the job of ortho's to remove, replace, and > fuse the areas in my back after the job of working on my spinal cord/nerves > is finished. I surely would not want to take away the ability of a neuro to > be able to do the job of an ortho because then instead of paying one doctor, > people like me would have to have two. Ortho to create the opening for the > Neuro to work on the spinal cord, and then the Ortho would have to close, > fuse or whatever after the neuro was finished. Neuro's have to know > something about the bones to be able to do their job. > > It's like Tracey said if you have no spinal cord/brain issues then the > choice should probably be an ortho. > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > my > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > the > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > what > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > less > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > make > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > Bugsy > > > > > -- Roman Segal Certified Integrity Investigator 847-414-0598 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Thank you . A chiropracter has been suggested to me.I am afraid to " go there " . But neurologists fear to tread where by back is concerned. So I have to be careful... ya think? I know they help alot of people... but... I have yet as not tried massage therapy... don't know if that could help. But damaged bones and athritic changes (which none of I have except what is usual for my age). Bones out of place... Good golly. You sure do need to be careful. I probablly should not comment on this subject, because I know so little about it. But him saying 90% of medicine is wasted??? All I know, I was in extreme pain with a totally un-mistunderstating Dr., that would not help me, to the point I was popping OTC pain meds like jelly beans and hurting my heart, liver, kidneys, stomache. (Aspririn (up to 20 a day), tylenelol, advil, msm, glucomsimine, chondriotin, vitamins out the ying yang... all things these OTC things good for ya???) I do not think so. Guess what I wanted to say is just be careful all... And whatever you have, learn all you can about it. Used your common sence. And , I think this guy has been on here before... He has his own agenda, whatever that may be. in NH Re: Re: Success Story Spinal Stenosis (pathologic narrowing of the spinal canal) can cause; myelopathy (cord pathology), radiculopathy (nerve root patholofy) and or other neurologic problems. Chiropractic Physicians manage this and all other conditions best because, Chiropractic is all about helping the body body heal, naturally by modulating nerves that control all physiology. See your Chiropractic Physician first for all of your health care needs. Please, call your Fed Rep Demanding Chiropractic Inclusion in any health care reform and stop medical welfare ($1.5 Trillion per year Medicare Dope Act of 2002, muni bonds, etc, etc, etc). When medicine has no exclusive way to get at your tax money, although the evidence supporting Chiropractic efficacy as primary and neurologic specialists proving that medicine is 90% waste is well established, we'll get what works best! sincerely, AQUADC, DABCN > > > > " I still wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us > patients to make call easier by having only one industry perform spine > surgery. " > > That's really not possible. There are some of us that have problems beyond > bone issues that must be treated by a neurosurgeon. In order to treat my > problems my neuro has to know the job of ortho's to remove, replace, and > fuse the areas in my back after the job of working on my spinal cord/nerves > is finished. I surely would not want to take away the ability of a neuro to > be able to do the job of an ortho because then instead of paying one doctor, > people like me would have to have two. Ortho to create the opening for the > Neuro to work on the spinal cord, and then the Ortho would have to close, > fuse or whatever after the neuro was finished. Neuro's have to know > something about the bones to be able to do their job. > > It's like Tracey said if you have no spinal cord/brain issues then the > choice should probably be an ortho. > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > my > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > the > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > what > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > less > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > make > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > Bugsy > > > > > -- Roman Segal Certified Integrity Investigator 847-414-0598 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ________________________________ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@...> spinal problems Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 great points bob! That was all very well " said " . Hopefully others could comprehend these truths and diminish the many lies in which this licensed occupation exists. ________________________________ From: bob kirby <bigcity5590@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 12:09:55 AM Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlink .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Time for change, yes, as in " time for the chiro cheerleaders to go away. " In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:42:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: It's time for change, it's time for Chiropractic! regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Time for change, yes, as in " time for the chiro cheerleaders to go away. " In a message dated 10/28/2009 8:42:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: It's time for change, it's time for Chiropractic! regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thank you Tracey for sticking up. I do have to admit that there were at times that the chiro did help me with my pain but did not resolve any issues. nor did the pain dr because as I got epidural shots and they have wear off the pain came back stronger. Thank you for sticking up to for us Tracey. Roman On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>wrote: > > > Really...I am so tired of the well-meaning chiropractors we het on > here...think they can save the world...they think that surgeons destroy > people and if people just knew more about chiropractic care they could avoid > surgery and live perfect lives.... > > We've heard from choropractors like you many times before. > > The reality is that you cannot remove bone spurs not stop their damage. > You cannot heal a degenerated disk that is unstable and prevent someone > from needing a fusion. > You cannot heal a compression fracture. > You cannot reverse anything but MAYBE a small disc bulge. > > What you ARE good at is milking people for all they've got > financially. Tellling people they need to come weekly..even monthly for so > long. They actually believe it's true and say they can tell when they are > overdue for a visit...have you heard of the " placebo effect " ? > > There's a reason why I didn't approve your request to join the > group..apparently someone else did. > > Please save your spouting for the suckers in your office. And puhleeze > don't call yourself a doctor. Ugh. > --- Babbitt > > ________________________________ > From: b p <aquadc@... <aquadc%40>> > To: spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\ ups.com> > Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:50:07 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Success Story > > > Spinal Stenosis (pathologic narrowing of the spinal canal) can cause; > myelopathy (cord pathology), radiculopathy (nerve root patholofy) and or > other neurologic problems. > > Chiropractic Physicians manage this and all other conditions best because, > Chiropractic is all about helping the body body heal, naturally by > modulating nerves that control all physiology. See your Chiropractic > Physician first for all of your health care needs. > > Please, call your Fed Rep Demanding Chiropractic Inclusion in any health > care reform and stop medical welfare ($1.5 Trillion per year Medicare Dope > Act of 2002, muni bonds, etc, etc, etc). When medicine has no exclusive way > to get at your tax money, although the evidence supporting Chiropractic > efficacy as primary and neurologic specialists proving that medicine is 90% > waste is well established, we'll get what works best! > > sincerely, > AQUADC, DABCN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I still wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us > > > patients to make call easier by having only one industry perform spine > > > surgery. " > > > > > > That's really not possible. There are some of us that have problems > beyond > > > bone issues that must be treated by a neurosurgeon. In order to treat my > > > problems my neuro has to know the job of ortho's to remove, replace, and > > > fuse the areas in my back after the job of working on my spinal > cord/nerves > > > is finished. I surely would not want to take away the ability of a neuro > to > > > be able to do the job of an ortho because then instead of paying one > doctor, > > > people like me would have to have two. Ortho to create the opening for > the > > > Neuro to work on the spinal cord, and then the Ortho would have to close, > > > fuse or whatever after the neuro was finished. Neuro's have to know > > > something about the bones to be able to do their job. > > > > > > It's like Tracey said if you have no spinal cord/brain issues then the > > > choice should probably be an ortho. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery > and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go > down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a > re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who > of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I > still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thank You Bob, Our lives are similar as I too had 4 years AC/TLS EMT-Paramedic FIre Fighting experience working in medically managed communities while engaging 12 years post grad education earning Clinical Neurology Diplomat. I've witnessed the result of Chiropractic and medicine. It is obvious that Chiropractic has much more to give on many levels to our extremely needy communities. Thanks again for your good work Dr. Bob. It's time for change, it's time for Chiropractic! regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: bob kirby <bigcity5590@...> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlink .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Howdee all, My chiropractor has helped me in pain management, not a cure. He's helped with the tingling down my arms. That doesn't mean chiros are for everybody. Just that I'll take any help I can get with the various issues with my spine. Ivan From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Howdee all, My chiropractor has helped me in pain management, not a cure. He's helped with the tingling down my arms. That doesn't mean chiros are for everybody. Just that I'll take any help I can get with the various issues with my spine. Ivan From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Are you aware that in true accusations that a person or entity has a record of felonious conviction is libel per se? In a message dated 10/28/2009 12:26:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey, you could make a lot of MY pain go away right now. Just STFU. Thank you. judith (truly sick of hearing this same shit over and over) In a message dated 10/28/2009 1:58:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest growing and most trusted health care providers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Chiropractic (The Alt Med) is all about helping the body heal itself, naturally without dope or cutting. Think in terms of; how does the body heal itself? When one knows the endogenous healing process, they can easily learn how to manage with self healing mechanisms. That's what Chiropractic is all about. Doesn't it make sense to treat by helping the natural mechanisms that must always work no matter what one does? You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Medics are VERY Afraid of Chiropractic because, they know Chiropractic works better for most health issues. I can tell you how Chiropractic works because, it's efficacy is so well scientifically and clinically documented; nerves control all physiology and Chiropractic modulates healing mechanisms resulting in healthier outcomes than medicine or other systems. Call your Fed Rep Demanding Chiropractic Inclusion in any health care reform and Stop US Taxed Medical Welfare ($1.5 Trillion per year Medicare Dope Act, Muni Building Bonds, Medical Student Loan Excuses, etc). respectfully yours, AQUADC, DABCN From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:36 AM And I have no issues with posts like yours, but the self-laudatory- verging-on- nutcase chiros posting here (who apparently also never learned spelling despite claims of 28 years of formal education) are a royal pain in the ass that only a chiro-ectomy is likely to cure for me. judith In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:32:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, darkrabbit2003 writes: Howdee all, My chiropractor has helped me in pain management, not a cure. He's helped with the tingling down my arms. That doesn't mean chiros are for everybody. Just that I'll take any help I can get with the various issues with my spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Chiropractic (The Alt Med) is all about helping the body heal itself, naturally without dope or cutting. Think in terms of; how does the body heal itself? When one knows the endogenous healing process, they can easily learn how to manage with self healing mechanisms. That's what Chiropractic is all about. Doesn't it make sense to treat by helping the natural mechanisms that must always work no matter what one does? You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Medics are VERY Afraid of Chiropractic because, they know Chiropractic works better for most health issues. I can tell you how Chiropractic works because, it's efficacy is so well scientifically and clinically documented; nerves control all physiology and Chiropractic modulates healing mechanisms resulting in healthier outcomes than medicine or other systems. Call your Fed Rep Demanding Chiropractic Inclusion in any health care reform and Stop US Taxed Medical Welfare ($1.5 Trillion per year Medicare Dope Act, Muni Building Bonds, Medical Student Loan Excuses, etc). respectfully yours, AQUADC, DABCN From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:36 AM And I have no issues with posts like yours, but the self-laudatory- verging-on- nutcase chiros posting here (who apparently also never learned spelling despite claims of 28 years of formal education) are a royal pain in the ass that only a chiro-ectomy is likely to cure for me. judith In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:32:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, darkrabbit2003 writes: Howdee all, My chiropractor has helped me in pain management, not a cure. He's helped with the tingling down my arms. That doesn't mean chiros are for everybody. Just that I'll take any help I can get with the various issues with my spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you are going to try to cite cases, at least learn how to follow them through to their end: _895 F2d 352 Wilk Dc Dc Dc Dc v. American Medical Association a Wilk Dc W Dc B_ (http://openjurist.org/895/f2d/352) Issuing an injunction is not the same as a finding that someone is a felon. (I did love reading that the Committee on Quackery was involved though.) As well as the notion that it might be of some benefit for chiropractors to be allowed to learn from doctors and use hospital xray equipment. That would be a step up from the chiro-quack I saw, who apparently had 5 or 6 bad back rads he pulled out to d show people " their " back problems. Bottom line in the above referenced case is the AMA was enjoined from forbidding its members from accepting references from or to a chiro if/when they felt it was in the patient's best interest. Quite the limited holding. Now go away and quit holding out a 20+ year old case as proving doctors and the AMA are felons. All you are doing on this list is proving what many already think, that chiros are quacks and charlatans at best, flaming idiots at worst. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:32:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: On September 25, 1987, Getzendanner issued her opinion that the AMA had violated Section 1, but not 2, of the Sherman Act, and that it had engaged in an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade " to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession. " (Wilk v. American Medical Ass'n, 671 F. Supp. 1465, N.D. Ill. 1987). She further opined that the " AMA had entered into a long history of illegal behavior " . And, she then issued a permanent injunction against the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , I am sorry to read your story because, unfortunately, if you were hurt, until you win a criminal and or malpractice claim, it didn't happen. I suggest you tell your Chiropractic Physician what you perceive and let them provide care, be it different treatment protocols, referral to a Chiropractic Neurologist or other. As a Chiropractic Neurologist I have diagnosed many Chiari Malformations and even post trauma Cerebellar tonsil herniations with healthy outcomes. You deserve the best and we are here to help. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks for your reply , I appreciate your subjective honesty however, your attempt to discredit and then, threaten are adolescent. I understand that you have personal issues, we all have. May I suggest that you consider maturing and learning facts before you make similar errors. The facts are; Chiropractic has stood up to this kind of attack before resulting in the AMA and practically all of its academies guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest growing and most trusted health care providers because, it works and most of all, it works best 90% of the time. We will be much, much healthier when there are 90% more Chiropractic Physicians. I apologize if these facts rain on your parade yet, I believe that when you cool down, you too will join the health movement. When you are ready to discuss more civilly, please, let us know. We're here to help. sincerely, Dr. AQUA From: bob kirby <bigcity5590> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:09 AM tracy babbit i wasnt here when anyone appointed you God. As a chiropractor for 12 years, an RN for 20 and a rad tech for 25 and even an orderly (when they called them that in the 70's) i can say without exception that i am not a cookie cutter chiropractor and not all of us espouse the ridiculous assertions you claim here. i have had 4 surgeries in the past year, for cervical fusion and micro lumbar discectomy. i have operated C arms in 1000's of cases, worked in several medical offices and served rural Alaska as a practicing chiropractor now for 3 years. I treat patients with a plethora of complaints and have never once told any one of them i could cure anything! i do all the rehab here in this town 500 miles above the arctic circle. there is no PT here. post op rehab is all on me or it doesnt happen. to throw me into a group of practitioners who are not " doctors " is like spitting in my face. your experience may be different, but stating all members of my profession are charletons is like saying all md's are perfect and should never be doubted. you cannot denounce something you have no knowledge of. I have over 5000 hours of post grad education to earn the title of doctor. do you? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@earthlin k .net> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 6:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Chiropracters Thank you for saying this I got suckered by chiropractors many years ago, I had one (who still practices in our neighborhood and swears he can cure every disease, Im not kidding,) and he wanted me to go to him for 3 months, 3 times a week...of which I balked and said " something is wrong with this picture " . I read this guy's adds in the local Hill Magazine and its criminal what he says he can cure...its like the old turn of the century traveling Docs who sold " magic potions " of which were mostly alcohol. Well said, no one could have summed it up as good as you did tonite, thank you for that!!!! RN in DC > > > > > > > > Actually Tacy you raised some good points. This was my second surgery and > > > > both neuro and ortho agreed of fusion before the pain started to go down > > > my > > > > right leg again as before 4 years ago. When neo and ortho do micro > > > > discetimys they do take out the bone witch is 4 mm around to get to the > > > > disc. out of all microdiscetemys the 5-10% few will have a re-occurance. > > > > The fact is both sugeons perform the same operations and get the ball > > > > rolling with microdiscetimies but the question still remains that who of > > > the > > > > two are more affective in fusions and in spinal sclerosis surgery? From > > > what > > > > I know and saw when the neuro does fusion the recovery rate and pain is > > > less > > > > and faster The spine is a delicate place because you have so many nerve > > > > ending there more then bone thats why I choose neuro surgeons but I still > > > > wish that the medical industry would make it easier for us patients to > > > make > > > > call easier by having only one industry perform spine surgery. > > > > > > > > Bugsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman Segal > > Certified Integrity Investigator > > 847-414-0598 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 In a message dated 10/28/2009 5:40:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ellijaygal@... writes: Let's just ignore him and maybe he will go away???? LOL Sounds like a plan. I'm just deleting his posts now, unread, with..amazingly enough..no great sense of loss.... As for my own spine, after hearing about fusion recovery, I'm finding....it really doesnt hurt so much after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 On September 25, 1987, Getzendanner issued her opinion that the AMA had violated Section 1, but not 2, of the Sherman Act, and that it had engaged in an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade " to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession. " (Wilk v. American Medical Ass'n, 671 F. Supp. 1465, N.D. Ill. 1987). She further opined that the " AMA had entered into a long history of illegal behavior " . And, she then issued a permanent injunction against the AMA under Section 16 of the Clayton Act to prevent such future behavior. From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:41 PM Are you aware that in true accusations that a person or entity has a record of felonious conviction is libel per se? In a message dated 10/28/2009 12:26:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc (DOT) com writes: You are aware that in 1988, the AMA and most of its academies were Convicted Felons for trying to eliminate Chiropractic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Let's just ignore him and maybe he will go away???? LOL > > Hey, you could make a lot of MY pain go away right now. > > Just STFU. > > Thank you. > > judith (truly sick of hearing this same shit over and over) > > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 1:58:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aquadc@... writes: > > guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust > conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest > growing and most trusted health care providers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Barb, All I ask is that those few ignorant of facts stop bashing Chiropractic and let US civilly discuss honest facts. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: Barb <ellijaygal@...> Subject: Re: Chiropracters spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:38 PM Let's just ignore him and maybe he will go away???? LOL > > Hey, you could make a lot of MY pain go away right now. > > Just STFU. > > Thank you. > > judith (truly sick of hearing this same shit over and over) > > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 1:58:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aquadc@... writes: > > guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust > conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest > growing and most trusted health care providers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 No....what you did was take a message where someone wanted understanding and advice from other people who have lived through similar situations and turned it into a crusade for yourself or your " profession. " You should be ashamed of yourself because the original poster of this message was basically dismissed and is probably sitting there thinking YOU are a lunatic and there may be nobody anywhere who understands what she is going through and that she can talk to us and some of us probably have been through what she is going through, and if we haven't we can at least show some caring and compassion!!!!!!! I'm sure she appreciates that you took her question/post and turned it into your own agenda. If you want to discuss/argue your position as a chiropractor that's fine, but don't do it on messages that other people have posted wanting advice, understanding and caring. Start your own message if you want to argue the point. > > > > > > Hey, you could make a lot of MY pain go away right now. > > > > > > Just STFU. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > judith (truly sick of hearing this same shit over and over) > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 1:58:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > aquadc@ writes: > > > > > > guilty of Felony Sherman Antitrust > > > conviction in 1988. Chiropractic Physicians have become the fastest > > > growing and most trusted health care providers > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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