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[Guest guest]

Shivani

 

You said that in many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents

running around the building on heating pipes and phone lines even when the power

main is turned off. I am pretty certain that one of the problems I face in my

home is dirty electricity coming in on the heating pipes and on the phone line.

For example, mostly during the night time, the phone gives periodic beeps or

peeps, as if someone was trying to use it, even though no one is near it or

touching it.

 

If this is the case that dirty electrical currents are running around buildings

on heating pipes and phone lines [even when the current is off] - what can we do

about them?

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

  " I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the

cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also

makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into. "

Yes, symptoms persist. But the field does not persist once the

current creating it is turned off.

If you have the appropriate meter, you can discover whether there is a

current you are not yet aware of that causes a field to persist in a

particular area when you have turned off the power there. For instance, if you

have dirty electricity running on your waterpipes and phone lines, that may

still be running there when you have turned off the breaker to that area if

the source of that current is not from the wiring controlled by that

particular breaker.

In many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents

running around the building in this way even when the power main is turned off.

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist

when they are no longer powered.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house

> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

from - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn

off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.

The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the

transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and

water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/24/2009 11:13:14 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Thanks so much, ,

I appreciate your sharing your experience with this. Have you ever tried

going without electricity for more than a day or 2? I was wondering if it

affected the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off.

Thanks again,

Diane

Do you buy into the lingering EMF thingy then ? I have a cabin in the

Norwegian Mountains tottally free from mains electricity, but alas there is a

mobile phone transmitter within 1mile and a distant tv transmitter with a

clear line of site so even here I suffer. Re the Plasma if I were to chop my

mains cable, my telecoms and all other conductive materials linked to the

network I would be ok apart from the airborne mess that it emits, this is a

bad bad scenario, one which I think people do not grasp to well, the

manufacturers should be hauled over the coals if they indeed allowed a TV to do

this premarket, its a Pioneer 42 inch Plasma that irradiates several houses

evan though it is some 50m away, the signal picked up by my AM radio is

unmistakeable that's why I found the scource so easily, it comes out of my

daughters matress, and now my low emf fishtank !

I am an some level of hell over this as I want to be taken seriously,

someone out there is looking for this one as it offers good potential for legal

redress.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, ,

 

I appreciate your sharing your experience with this.  Have you ever tried going

without electricity for more than a day or 2?  I was wondering if it affected

the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off. 

 

Thanks again,

Diane 

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: No Subject

Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:35 PM

In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

marcufoseries (DOT) com writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house

> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

from - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn

off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.

The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the

transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and

water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

 

No--not so much buying into the lingering emf thing as trying to understand emfs

that exist apart from the electrical wiring--I have the greatest problems with

this and can not understand it well enough to deal with it.  (And I am not sure

I am using my meters correctly or whether the meters even pick up what I am

reacting to.)  I was actually asking whether the plasma tv was a dirty

electricity problem that quit when the electric was turned off, or do you react

to it all the time?   Without any electicity on, I cannot get readings under 3

1/2 mG anywhere in either of my houses (and in many areas, not under 5mG). 

Outside the houses tho, I am picking up even higher readings, so I guess that

means both houses have high neighborhood problems.  My house I was fixing up

didn't bother my es this way until just before Christmas when I saw 2 tv cable

trucks parked about 50 feet away, installing something up the street.  I

did, however, react to

wiring problems there prior. 

 

My current house has a telephone substation across from it, from which its high

outside readings come (not a surprise).  My electric meter on the side of my

house I am remodeling reads over 10mG inside the livingroom and I know some of

my problem is from it (and was also before Christmas).  But I am now bad

everywhere in that house--with or without the electricity on.  HOWEVER, the

readings at my current house are the same high readings and I don't react as

badly there, so I think the 50/60 Hz readings are relatively meaningless as far

as the problem which started prior to Christmas.

 

Thanks for answering my question.  That was what I wanted to know. 

 

Diane

 

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: No Subject

Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 6:41 PM

In a message dated 4/24/2009 11:13:14 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422 (DOT) com writes:

Thanks so much, ,

I appreciate your sharing your experience with this. Have you ever tried

going without electricity for more than a day or 2? I was wondering if it

affected the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off.

Thanks again,

Diane

Do you buy into the lingering EMF thingy then ? I have a cabin in the

Norwegian Mountains tottally free from mains electricity, but alas there is a

mobile phone transmitter within 1mile and a distant tv transmitter with a

clear line of site so even here I suffer. Re the Plasma if I were to chop my

mains cable, my telecoms and all other conductive materials linked to the

network I would be ok apart from the airborne mess that it emits, this is a

bad bad scenario, one which I think people do not grasp to well, the

manufacturers should be hauled over the coals if they indeed allowed a TV to do

this premarket, its a Pioneer 42 inch Plasma that irradiates several houses

evan though it is some 50m away, the signal picked up by my AM radio is

unmistakeable that's why I found the scource so easily, it comes out of my

daughters matress, and now my low emf fishtank !

I am an some level of hell over this as I want to be taken seriously,

someone out there is looking for this one as it offers good potential for legal

redress.

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

 

I was asking if this happened even after 2 days of no electricity.  (Can wifi,

etc, exist on the electrical wiring long-term even when it is not transmitting

electricity.  And also, if you were to remove the wiring altogether, would that

then take care of your problem with the plasma--but from what you said about

your cabin, I guess wiring has nothing to do with it.  Thanks for answering both

questions.)

 

It was interesting that, when I tried my meter by a subpanel box, I still got

electrical readings there with the circuits off.  So I now wonder how common

this is???  I definitely need rewired at that house, but I am asking myself

whether this is worth doing if I am going to end up not being able to live there

anyway from other frequency problems?  If I cannot figure out a way to remediate

the problem that started just before Christmas, then all the rewiring in the

world is not going to help the situation. 

 

Thanks again,

Diane

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: No Subject

Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:35 PM

In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

marcufoseries (DOT) com writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house

> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

from - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn

off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.

The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the

transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and

water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marc, 

 

I appreciate the info.  This was what I was trying to figure out.  I think this

has to be why various people were telling me I'd react for so long after turning

off the electricity altogether. 

 

(Sorry I am behind on my email and I still owe several, especially one to Laurel

and .  If anyone reading is one of those I owe, I have not forgotten. 

Just got behind!  And longer emails have to wait because I am only able to be

online several minutes at a time.)

 

Thanks again, Marc,

Diane

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: No Subject

Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:19 PM

> If I may pick your brain a

> bit, because I am still trying to understand why other people were

> telling me that the electricity had to be off at the circuit breaker for

> so many hours.... Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house

> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

> were telling me the circuits had to be off so long?

These questions were directed at Shivani, but I'll add my 2 cents... :-)

Certainly the wiring is still acting like an antenna for ambient

EMF (radio, TV, cellphone), but when these lines are powered down,

I don't think they should affect you nearly as much, as they

don't have any strong field around them to " transmit " the

noisy frequencies to you.

I think the " waiting for hours " suggestion must be due to lingering

" bad energy " in the area, which Shivani is not taking into account

because it does not show up on her EMF meter (but could still

affect sensitive people).

> You didn't speak to the subject of the Ethernet wire--is an antennae type

> device able to pick up and give off frequencies when it is not plugged

> in?

I think any metal is able to pickup and re-radiate EMF, so that

would include wires. I was experimenting with shielded ethernet

cable, and I think I actually prefer the UNshielded cable, perhaps

because it has less metal content as is picking up less

frequencies (???)

Marc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/27/2009 9:33:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Hi, ,

I was asking if this happened even after 2 days of no electricity. (Can

wifi, etc, exist on the electrical wiring long-term even when it is not

transmitting electricity. And also, if you were to remove the wiring

altogether, would that then take care of your problem with the plasma--but from

what

you said about your cabin, I guess wiring has nothing to do with it.

Thanks for answering both questions.)

paul replies -

yes wifi etc will conduct along wires evan if they have no mains power

running via them. the metal content of the wires makes them highly conductive

to radio/microwaves and in turn they act like re-radiating antennea. If I

could cut away the mains cable to my house along with telecoms and fit a

plastic water pipe then the problem with the Plasma tv would diminish to

negligible levels but alas I cant put my family in the stone age !

best wishes -

ps maybe the predicted massive solar flare in 2012 will sort this one out ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/27/2009 9:10:33 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

was fixing up didn't bother my es this way until just before Christmas

when I saw 2 tv cable trucks parked about 50 feet away, installing something

up the street. I did, however, react to

wiring problems there prior.

If they have installed cable tv and supporting electronics then this might

be your problem try an AM radio this might be your best bet, as you say

the stuff you are reacting to maybe way off 60hz

paul