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Dina,

With my Graves disease and the anti-thyroid drugs I gained somewhere around

twenty-five pounds. I've always been thin and considered myself fit, so this

was extremely disturbing for me. No matter what I did I would only loose a

pound or two. Three years into this I surrendered and let my obsession with my

weight go. I finally gave away my smaller size clothes and wouldn't you know

it, I started loosing weight. In the last year I have lost twenty-two pounds

and I haven't really changed anything. By the way I'm still taking methimazole.

I wish I could offer something more than compassion. It was an extremely

difficult side effect of this dis-ease.

MA

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[Guest guest]

Terry...this anger is not necessarily related to your thyroid, but perhaps

other events in your life. There are a couple of things I recommend:

1. Write down everything in your life that upsets you. Write a letter to a

person that you are holding a grudge towards. Do not send the letter.

2. Make an appointment to see a counselor or therapist. Get this stuff off

your chest as soon as possible. If you don't like therapists, then talk to a

trusted friend. Get to the bottom of this before it gets expressed through

illness.

ANGER IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE BODY OR THE SOUL!! Good luck!!

Esther

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Why not send the letter? Might do a world of good to you and the person

who receives the letter if the person is still alive.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 DearEsther@... wrote:

> Terry...this anger is not necessarily related to your thyroid, but perhaps

> other events in your life. There are a couple of things I recommend:

> 1. Write down everything in your life that upsets you. Write a letter to a

> person that you are holding a grudge towards. Do not send the letter.

>

> 2. Make an appointment to see a counselor or therapist. Get this stuff off

> your chest as soon as possible. If you don't like therapists, then talk to a

> trusted friend. Get to the bottom of this before it gets expressed through

> illness.

> ANGER IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE BODY OR THE SOUL!! Good luck!!

> Esther

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

This story mimics my very own story. Growing up as a child I was obese, I

would go to Mc's, almost everyday and eat not one but two value meals

and still it wasn't enough. I always felt like I was going out of my mind. I

was always getting sick. I was always getting chest pains. I always felt

more mature when I was a child. I was attracted sexually to the opposite sex

at a young age. Now its all clear to me. I was more mature. I was aging a

lot quicker and my hormones were out of whack, stuck in overdrive, because of

my poor diet. I'd like to slap both my parents for what they did ) , but

I realize they had no idea the impact of what they were doing by letting me

eat what I wanted. Recently, my mother told me that my father, who was my

main caregiver as a child, used to give me coffee and soda in my baby bottle

because that was what I wanted. Well, I'm sure it's not what I would have

wanted if I'd never been introduced to it, but so the story goes. I reached

puberty at a very early age (I think 11 or 12), in fact I started having sex

at 14 and had a child by 17. God I wish things had been much different. I'm

23 now and I'm finally turning toward good eating after being in the hospital

enough times from heart scares. I've also got adrenal exhaustion, as it also

shows on my mineral analysis workup, and definitely in how I feel and have

felt for years. I was a smoker for 7 years. I am hypoglycemic. I am

hyperthyroidic. Foods which contain high amounts of copper are helping. I've

switched to a semi-vegetarian diet for life and am noticing improvements. I

have not had any more hypoglycemic episodes in a while, though now I'm not

sure if they were thyroid related. My lifelong maintenance diet will be 40%

whole grains, 30% vegetables, 15% fruits, 10% beans, 4 %high fats (avocado,

nuts, seeds, soy), and 1% B12 (Poultry, Meat, Dairy, Fish). I got this diet

from " Long Life Now by Lee Hitchcox, D.C.. I love this book. I am not eating

the fruits now because I'm wanting to lose 30 pounds. Though I have been

eating more than above in meat products, since I find them relaxing and

necessary in my time of stress (what better for stress than the b-vitamins

right) I usually eat liver since its one of the best sources of vitamins and

minerals, I try to get organic only. I'm hungry now, gotta go!

Gian

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Gian:

Thanks for sharing your story. Actually, you should tell it 20/20 or Dateline

so the rest of America understands the ramifications of poor eating habits. We

don't hear enough about that and in my own opinion, it should be a big focus

as America's eating habits are not any to brag about.

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In a message dated 4/10/1999 11:36:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sstieger@... writes:

Hi Shirley,

<< I am considering seeing a lab in Wisconsin that

cultures for " stealth

pathogens " .

:Another consideration is endrocrine

balancing in Connectcut.

:..... tell me about this one, haven't heard about it. Thanks Shirley

>>

About the Wisconsin " stealth pathogens " ...got that from this site:

http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue 18/i18-a64

And the endocrine balancing if from an audio from http://www.brodabarnes.org.

by Dr Robban Sica.

I've telephoned these places ....Dr Robban Sica charges $300 just to see you

not including lab tests. Maybe I'll give that to myself for my birthday..I

don't know.

I'm still investigating the lab. Dr Matman is an 86 year old biologist

evidently still doing research. I'm impressed! She has two books on

" stealth pathogens " or cell wall deficient pathogens...I haven't seen

them...just that they are available at and Nobles.

So far I am liking these two ideas. Right now I am leaning more toward the

lab.

I don't think it is likely your doctor will have knowledge about these two

approaches.

Probably he will say they are just quacks And that may be the way it is.

If they are not quacks why aren' t they getting a Nobel prize?

Maybe its an answer for a few. May as well keep learning.

Ann

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In a message dated 4/16/1999 10:54:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

sstieger@... writes:

<< I have read both sites and am interested in the stealth culture. Do

you know of a lab that does herpes, clamidia pneumonia and stealth together,

it would be much cheaper.: Any info. I'd appreciate. Have you decided

which way you are going? Just trying to decide myself. thanks shirley

>>

Hi Shirley,

Sounds like your another researcher and another determined to get well person.

Sometimes I wonder what I'll do when I get well and am freed of searching for

an answer. ''s found it...he helps other get well.

This group is such a blessing to us all.

So, I'm working on speaking to Dr Matman. My purpose is to ask about

stealth pathogens

finding specialist

finding researchers

tissue and blood cultures

electron microscope studies

blood tests

allopathic medicine view

alternative medicine view

Can't guarantee I'll ever get to speak to Dr Matman though.

Other interest:

Helper T cells: suppressor T cells ratio in autoimmune diseases

methods of stopping the inflammation cascade ...(other than aspirin).

Anybody have more ideas to bring up? Anybody with info?

, I can't find anything other than histadine that increases suppressor T

Cell.

I want to try to cool my immune system.

It looks like the immune system is being better understood.

I can't understand why I can't find anything about taming thyroid antibodies.

Obviously, I have arthritis of the thyroid. Do the new immune modulating

drugs also work with Graves disease as well as arthritis in joint?

What do you think? Find anything?

Ann

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: << I am considering seeing a lab in Wisconsin that

:cultures for " stealth

:

:-------------------

Ann, I have read both sites and am interested in the stealth culture. do

you know of a lab that does herpes, clamidia pneumonia and stealth together,

it would be much cheaper.: Any info. I'd appreciate. Have you decided

which way you are going? Just trying to decide myself. thanks shirley

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Shirley,

I haven't gotten any mail from this group for a few days either..... I didn't

know whether everyone else is busy living their lives or what???? LOL I

guess... our thing must have been under construction. But you know what???

I missed getting these mail. Hurry back . I think the group chat

room is very interesting we all can chat with one another.....hmmm....

something to think about.

Kozy

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No mail on this end either. Just thought I would write and concur with the

others.

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kOZY, i THINk we may have to go to the web site listed in his last

post. It is slow and cumbersome. I hope we don't have to use that.

shirley

:I haven't gotten any mail from this group for a few days either..... I

didn't

:know whether everyone else is busy living their lives or what???? LOL I

:guess... :I missed getting these mail. Hurry back . I think the

group chat

:room is very interesting we all can chat with one another.....hmmm....

:something to think about.

:

:Kozy

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I think I would watch out for the herbs in the Metabolife. You could end up

with hyperthyroid too if you have the antibodies for both like I have. Sheri

Lynn

P.S. is great and I would listen to him...as you supplement, you may not

need as much synthroid, get a full blood test every 3 months to monitor

yourself.

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Dear Froglady,

Broccoli and soy products repress the thyroid, so I would avoid them if I

were hypo. As for diuretics, that stuff the drs. prescribe is awful. If you

use Progest for two weeks each month before your period, that should help

with the bloating. There are also many other natural remedies for water

retention, herbs and such, that have been mentioned on this board. Any good

natural nutrition book in a health food store will list foods and supplements

to address this condition.

Good luck,

AntJoan

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Dear AntJoan!

Thank You so much. I will check into a good book. I will also try the

Progest. I must say I'm a little sad about the broccoli though, I

enjoy it. But as long as I feel better, its an acceptable loss. Soy I

wasn't too fond of. :-)

Thank again,

Froglady

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> Dear Froglady,

>

> Broccoli and soy products repress the thyroid, so I would avoid them

if I

> were hypo. As for diuretics, that stuff the drs. prescribe is awful.

If you

> use Progest for two weeks each month before your period, that should

help

> with the bloating. There are also many other natural remedies for

water

> retention, herbs and such, that have been mentioned on this board.

Any good

> natural nutrition book in a health food store will list foods and

supplements

> to address this condition.

>

> Good luck,

> AntJoan

>

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Dear Kat,

I sympathize w/your tofu dilemma. I am also a vegetarian who relies on tofu

as a protein source. I don't know much about which foods stimulate the

thyroid, and which foods repress it, except for the tofu and broccoli, which

was told to me by a Chinese acupuncturist. My suggestion would be to look up

foods that stimulate the thyroid and try to eat a lot of those. That way,

even if you do eat some tofu, you might offset the effects. You might also

try tempeh, but I don't know if that has the same effects as tofu--you'd have

to find out. Wheat gluten might also work for you--it's not expensive, and I

believe is a good protein source. I also eat lots of rice and beans--another

inexpensive source of protein.

Good luck--let me know what you find out.

AntJoan

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Hi everyone,

THis is Joyce from Vermont who is in Maine for a few days seeing the

craggy coast for the first time.

I am in Augusta at a medical center in the very early a.m.

I have been berry picking before I left. And eager to see how the

supplements work when walking around the Maine coast. will keep you

posted!

Kind regards,

Joyce who is usually in Vermont

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Dear nne,

Do not get RAI! In two years or so after treatment you'll be hypo for life.

Read through the files for past discussions.

Joan

[Guest guest]

I'm really behind in reading my email.

Anyway. One thing I believe is

if you want a normal thyroid blood test

so you look good on paper

is to fast at least 12 hours before you get your blood drawn.

That works for me I came in right in the mid range of normal in all my

thyroid test.

That's after no medications for 2 months.

I feel no different. I still have times when I feel really hyperthyroid...

Especially if I eat a lot of carbohydrates and sugars.

I still take the supplements and I can feel that it helps.

I don't do it absolutely consistently thought. Just really get motivated

when I feel bad.

I was diagnosed with Graves disease a little over a year ago.

Took anti thyroid med on and off. It made me sick and made my arthritis

really bad so I didn't stay on it very long at a time. I was strongly urged

over and over to do the RAI but refused.

Looks like I'm back to normal in the thyroid department anyway.

Thank you and all of you for your help, support and answers.

My interest in this group continues. I don't want any relapses.

Read so hype about Calcium AEP so I ordered that in hopes that it will

clear up what is left of the inflammation in my feet.

Still have one eye that is a little more prominate that the other.

So I still have things to learn and work to do on my health.

I have to tell you that I am frightened that I was urged to take RAI and

would have been left with a life long dependency on thyroid medication.

Ann

[Guest guest]

Ann,

What is the Calcium AEP, because I have swollen ankles. I use to be able to

see my ankle bones but not since I've been on Tapazole for 7 months.

Thanks,

Fara

Re: No Subject

I'm really behind in reading my email.

Anyway. One thing I believe is

if you want a normal thyroid blood test

so you look good on paper

is to fast at least 12 hours before you get your blood drawn.

That works for me I came in right in the mid range of normal in

all my

thyroid test.

That's after no medications for 2 months.

I feel no different. I still have times when I feel really

hyperthyroid...

Especially if I eat a lot of carbohydrates and sugars.

I still take the supplements and I can feel that it helps.

I don't do it absolutely consistently thought. Just really get

motivated

when I feel bad.

I was diagnosed with Graves disease a little over a year ago.

Took anti thyroid med on and off. It made me sick and made my

arthritis

really bad so I didn't stay on it very long at a time. I was

strongly urged

over and over to do the RAI but refused.

Looks like I'm back to normal in the thyroid department anyway.

Thank you and all of you for your help, support and answers.

My interest in this group continues. I don't want any relapses.

Read so hype about Calcium AEP so I ordered that in hopes that it

will

clear up what is left of the inflammation in my feet.

Still have one eye that is a little more prominate that the other.

So I still have things to learn and work to do on my health.

I have to tell you that I am frightened that I was urged to take RAI

and

would have been left with a life long dependency on thyroid

medication.

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I take Imuran and every few months, my hep Dr does a blood test to check the

toxicity of the imuran in my liver to make sure everything is ok...but for the

life of me , I can't remeber the name of the test.

Take Care,

Kathy

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> I vaguely remember hearing about a test that determined whether

Imuran

was

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>appropriate for someone. Does anyone else remember this?

>

>Harper

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[Guest guest]

I believe the test is to be sure you do not have an inherited deficiency of a

specific metabolic enzyme. A lack of this enzyme can predispose you to serious

side effects-

Tina

[Guest guest]

The test ordered prior to beginning Imuran is Pro Predict TPMT from

Prometheus labs. It determines if you can produce the enzyme TPMT and

the risk of toxicity. After starting Imuran the metabolites can be

checked 6-MP for toxicity and 6-TG for clinical response to adjust

dosage.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your encouragement! Indeed, intake vrs weight loss is an

important factor....I just must eat less. A friend of mine said that she spoke

with a specialist once that said he worked with the morbidly obsese and he gave

her a formula for weight loss. He told her that if you multiply your current

weight by 10, that will give you the amount of calories you need to MAINTAIN

your current weight. Since it takes 3500 calories less to lose one pound, all

you need to do is to cut back in order to lose gradually.

This formula simplified totally for me and I was glad to know....I have been

told multiple times how to lose weight...each way different than the next.

Anyway, overall, I know I must lose the weight......I am currently approximately

55 pounds than 2 years ago, and THAT is a gradual loss.....bit by bit, I will

make it. At least I am going to give it a good try! Indeed, weighing less

truly does increase fewer problems than being overweight, and it does make

sense.

As for the insert and the side effects for predisone...I doubt that any doctor

prescribing it has ever read it! Oh well....I don't ever plan on seeing that

doctor again.

Good to hear from you Harper!

Debby

[ ] No Subject

Congratulations on having lost ten pounds! You give me hope!

Your doctor says Prednisone doesn't cause weight gain? Ask him why the

package inserts for Prednisone list obesity as a side effect!

I don't think it will be a matter of finding a surgeon who's willing to

perform a transplant on someone who is overweight -- I think it's more

complicated,

dependent on liver allotment to those with risk factors. Others can tell you

more than I can.

Best wishes.

Harper

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> he said that prednisone does NOT cause one to gain weight!

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Hi Everyone, I hope this email finds all of you with a bit less pain

today! I have been on an absolute roller coaster of emotions. For those

of you who dont know, I had my first spinal surgery on Oct 2nd, and my

second spine surgery this past January 26th. Just about16 weeks apart!

Well, All of these injuries resulted from falling down a flight of

stairs. I also have a torn rotary cuff which is going to be fixed next

week, and two disks in my Neck that also need to be fixed. So, I am still

looking at two more surgeries! My doctors arent sure if and when I will

be able to return to work. It is so frustrating. However, I know that you

all understand what I am going through! The unknown can be the worst

part! Anyway, thanks for letting me vent! April

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In a message dated 4/23/2009 11:59:08 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

SArjuna@... writes:

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist

when they are no longer powered.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.

I agree, notwithstanding any quantum effects, but also the delayed or

elongated effect and accumulation of emf load may lead the person to feel that

the previous recent emf exposure that they associated with their symptoms

although off, is still present, they may simply be more sensitive (or indeed

tuned in) than a few hours earlier, they may also go into a phase like a

non symptomatic window, which allows accumulation but no apparent effects,

until later - shabang!

uk - sorry I am a bit muddled.