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March 22, 2006

In einer eMail vom 22.03.2006 20:57:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...:

AP - 18 minutes ago NEW YORK - Scientists say they've found a reason bird flu isn't spreading easily from person to person: The virus concentrates itself too deep in the respiratory tract to be spewed out by coughing and sneezing. But the virus could change that behavior by genetic mutation, taking a step toward unleashing a worldwide outbreak of lethal flu. Experts said the new finding doesn't indicate how likely such a pandemic is. The virus may also need other mutations to take off in the human population, they said. Still, the work suggests a particular sign to watch for in new virus samples to help gauge the danger to humans.

it may infect the lungs first but later in the desease almost any organ is infected

as I read.

March 22, 2006

>Do you recall where you heard that?

>>it may infect the lungs first but later in the desease almost any organ is

infected

>>as I read.

probably Fluwiki forum.Or curevents.

I remember a discussion about why Relenza therapy should switch to Tamiflu

later,

because Relenza only protects the lungs.

I can search for it, if it's important

I just read in the recent Osterholm interview too that liver,kidney...would

fail

March 22, 2006

Do you recall where you heard that? sterten@... wrote: In einer eMail vom 22.03.2006 20:57:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...: AP - 18 minutes ago NEW YORK - Scientists say they've found a reason bird flu isn't spreading easily from person to person: The virus concentrates itself too deep in the respiratory tract to be spewed out by coughing and sneezing. But the virus could change that behavior by genetic mutation, taking a step toward unleashing a worldwide outbreak of lethal flu. Experts said the new finding doesn't indicate how likely such a

pandemic is. The virus may also need other mutations to take off in the human population, they said. Still, the work suggests a particular sign to watch for in new virus samples to help gauge the danger to humans. it may infect the lungs first but later in the desease almost any organ is infected as I read. . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke

Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

March 23, 2006

In einer eMail vom 24.03.2006 00:41:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt darkdaysarecoming@...:

H5N1 does not infect or live anywhere but in thepulminary system.

J.H.Beigel et.al. NEnglJMed,353,1374(Sep29,2005)

showed H5N1 in human intestine

March 23, 2006

That is an inncorrect statement.

H5N1 does not infect or live anywhere but in the

pulminary system. Organ failure is cause by what is

called the Cytokine Storm, during which the body is

attcked by its' own overreacting immune system.

As it is nowadays, there is a web page for everything.

Read this: http://cytokinestorm.com/ for a very deatil

explaination.

--- sterten@... wrote:

>

> In einer eMail vom 22.03.2006 20:57:14

> Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt

> rboylern@...:

>

> AP - 18 minutes ago

> NEW YORK - Scientists say they've found a reason

> bird flu isn't spreading

> easily from person to person: The virus concentrates

> itself too deep in the

> respiratory tract to be spewed out by coughing and

> sneezing. But the virus could

> change that behavior by genetic mutation, taking a

> step toward unleashing a

> worldwide outbreak of lethal flu. Experts said the

> new finding doesn't

> indicate how likely such a pandemic is. The virus

> may also need other mutations to

> take off in the human population, they said. Still,

> the work suggests a

> particular sign to watch for in new virus samples

> to help gauge the danger to

> humans.

>

> it may infect the lungs first but later in the

> desease almost any organ is

> infected

> as I read.

>

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March 23, 2006

In einer eMail vom 24.03.2006 02:34:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt darkdaysarecoming@...:

Yes, the intesines also, sorry. But it is not whatcauses overall organ failure. It is linked to diarrehahowever.

hmm, I read:

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What makes them so similar is that they both cause this cytokine storm phenomenon.

CP: Which essentially results in a person's drowning in his or her own blood as it fills the lungs, right?

Osterholm: It's even worse than that. You get that kind of leakage, yes, but it also goes in and begins to shut down all your vital organs. It's a domino effect. Your kidneys go down, then your liver goes down, you have all this destruction through necrosis of your lungs and your internal organs. Everything goes.

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so, yes, that was about cytokine storm. So, when there is no c.s.,

i.e. in the elderly, then only the lungs are affected and Relenza

might be enough ?

BTW, here is the link to the journal article youcites:http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1374

thanks ! I only had the referrence. Good article.

March 23, 2006

Yes, the intesines also, sorry. But it is not what

causes overall organ failure. It is linked to diarreha

however.

BTW, here is the link to the journal article you

cites:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1374

--- sterten@... wrote:

>

> In einer eMail vom 24.03.2006 00:41:53

> Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt

> darkdaysarecoming@...:

>

> H5N1 does not infect or live anywhere but in the

> pulminary system.

>

> J.H.Beigel et.al. NEnglJMed,353,1374(Sep29,2005)

> showed H5N1 in human intestine

>

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March 23, 2006

It seems to me that the involvement of organ systems beyond the respiratory have more to do with the body's overall immune response which is so overwhelming as to cause, in some cases, multiple organ failure. I have seen similar things happen with other infectious diseases when I was in clinical practice. The body will fight infection very strongly but sometimes the body can go just so far even when appropriate medical interventions are in place.Dark Man <darkdaysarecoming@...> wrote: Yes, the intesines also, sorry. But it is not whatcauses overall organ failure. It is linked to diarrehahowever.BTW, here is the link to the journal article youcites:http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1374--- sterten@...

wrote:> > In einer eMail vom 24.03.2006 00:41:53> Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > darkdaysarecoming@...:> > H5N1 does not infect or live anywhere but in the> pulminary system. > > J.H.Beigel et.al. NEnglJMed,353,1374(Sep29,2005)> showed H5N1 in human intestine> __________________________________________________

March 25, 2006

I also vaguely remember an interview with Webster, where he said, H5N1 were going up the

central nervous system in the spine up into the head.

In 1918 most people still died of pneumonia, I think. Yes, cytokine storm

was a problem but only in some % of people (from Berry's book, AFAIR)

March 25, 2006

It is now thought that the deaths in the 1918/19 pandemic were

largely caused by the victims' immune response over-reacting to a

virus which which " embedded itself " in regions of the lungs which

ordinary Winter flu doesn't get to.

Descriptions of the dying include " the face turning purple, and

coughing and retching " as the lungs filled with the victims'own

blood: ergo, they drowned in their own blood. It explains why

ordinarily healthy, young, fit people contracted this disease more

readily; their immune system was more active, prompting death.

>

> >

> > In einer eMail vom 24.03.2006 00:41:53

> > Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt

> > darkdaysarecoming@...:

> >

> > H5N1 does not infect or live anywhere but in the

> > pulminary system.

> >

> > J.H.Beigel et.al. NEnglJMed,353,1374(Sep29,2005)

> > showed H5N1 in human intestine

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 27, 2006

(Re: " largely caused by the victims' immune response over-reacting " )

Hi, I've been lurking here for a while, just soaking up all the info.

However, this topic did get my attention and I really would like to

know more about it. Does this mean that people with Autoimmune

disorders, (Diabetes, Celiac Disease, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis,

etc) would be more susceptible to this? Has there been any studies to

indicated that most of the victims had an autoimmune disease? Just

curious?

~Sky

>

> It is now thought that the deaths in the 1918/19 pandemic were

> largely caused by the victims' immune response over-reacting to a

> virus which which " embedded itself " in regions of the lungs which

> ordinary Winter flu doesn't get to.

>

> Descriptions of the dying include " the face turning purple, and

> coughing and retching " as the lungs filled with the victims'own

> blood: ergo, they drowned in their own blood. It explains why

> ordinarily healthy, young, fit people contracted this disease more

> readily; their immune system was more active, prompting death.

>

March 27, 2006

People with autoimmune diesases would only be more

susceptible to dying, not more susceptible to getting

Avian Flu.

--- Beth <skylark7k@...> wrote:

> (Re: " largely caused by the victims' immune response

> over-reacting " )

>

> Hi, I've been lurking here for a while, just soaking

> up all the info.

> However, this topic did get my attention and I

> really would like to

> know more about it. Does this mean that people with

> Autoimmune

> disorders, (Diabetes, Celiac Disease, Lupus,

> Rheumatoid Arthritis,

> etc) would be more susceptible to this? Has there

> been any studies to

> indicated that most of the victims had an autoimmune

> disease? Just

> curious?

>

> ~Sky

>

> >

> > It is now thought that the deaths in the 1918/19

> pandemic were

> > largely caused by the victims' immune response

> over-reacting to a

> > virus which which " embedded itself " in regions of

> the lungs which

> > ordinary Winter flu doesn't get to.

> >

> > Descriptions of the dying include " the face

> turning purple, and

> > coughing and retching " as the lungs filled with

> the victims'own

> > blood: ergo, they drowned in their own blood. It

> explains why

> > ordinarily healthy, young, fit people contracted

> this disease more

> > readily; their immune system was more active,

> prompting death.

> >

>

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September 2, 2010

I'm taking the bull by the horns at this point. I am very unsatisfied at the

ability of my docs to fix the pain I have left and/or to medicate it

properly....without the use of a spine stim...at least not yet!

The worst of my pain comes from my right L5 facet joint. Not at all uncommon

considering I am fused from L4 to S1...it's made worse still by the fact that at

21 years of age, my third surgery was my first fusion. This pioneering young

doctor from big name Boston Hospital...tells me all about this new technique

he's using. I'll be the youngest patient ever. He says I'll have less pain after

surgery and my recovery will be much faster. It's called Lumbar Fusion with

Facet Fixation...normal fixation for the fusion process is done by placing heavy

duty screws into the stronger bone of the vertebrae's pedicles. This new

procedure involves much less hardware. The less sturdy screws are drilled

through the less sturdy and highly innervated facet joint, immediately ceasing

motion thereby creating stability. So the process was intended.

Long story short, a few years later I was in agonizing pain all day long. Went

to see Boston doc who gave me MRI...I never saw it or report. He just

immediately offered surgery and I could literally have it tomorrow if I wanted.

Hmmm....should have seemed weird to me.

Didn't want surgery AGAIN...DUH! So he suggested facet injection. I went to my

own pain clinic at my Big Boston Hospital where I worked. What they saw upon

xray made them catch their breath. First they had never seen facet fixation so

the screw placement was new to them. Worse than that, the screw traversing my

right facet joint was badly broken and wearing into my facet joint. The left

facet screw was also broken, but still in place. Add to that the condition of

what was supposed to be my fusion...It was all crumbled and fractured bone!!!

At this point I'd been walking around like this for three years. Amazing that I

could stand the pain. They looked at me and said...your only way out of this is

surgery dear.

Oh God NOOOOO!

Three surgeries later, I am so much better and can function quite well. I do

have pain every day but I'm not given adequate medication so I suffer. The

direct source of 90% of my pain is that right facet joint that had the broken

screw. It's been killing me for years.

Nobody seems to understand whats going on...so I'm doing a little research on my

own to see what it is and if there's anything to help.

I will post here some links to interesting info, wether it be specifically for

facets or not. Hope some of you find it useful!

September 2, 2010

http://www.chiropractic-books.com/Immobilisation-Arthritis.html

Anyone here been told of Immobilization Arthritis????

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From: B <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

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