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You are my hero. LOL So far, I have received such great ideas from you.

I think you and I have similar pain issues, maybe that is why everything you

suggest hits so close to home.

Thank you for all of your input.

 

Shayna

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From: Debra <i_ownaberner>

Subject: RE: headaches and ant- inflammatories

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:55 PM

Ivan,

Yes, these are called chronic daily headaches and are a B to get rid

of. You get them by taking those types of drugs

Deb RN

From: spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

[mailto:spinedisord erssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:35 PM

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Subject: headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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I would say Chiro is absolutely right about it being too much.

If he is already manipulating you and doing exercises, then PT would just double

that.

Not to keep harping on this idea, but really really sounds like Massage would be

an awesome way for you to go.

It helps with trigger points, muscle tension all of the things that could be

causing your headaches. On top of which, it is usually a great addition to Chiro

care.

If you have good insurance, it might even be covered.

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

From: Debra <i_ownaberner>

Subject: RE: headaches and ant- inflammatories

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:55 PM

Ivan,

Yes, these are called chronic daily headaches and are a B to get rid

of. You get them by taking those types of drugs

Deb RN

From: spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

[mailto:spinedisord erssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:35 PM

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Subject: headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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I feel it is a bad idea at this stage for you.

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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PT and Chiro could make things worse as your neck doesn't sound too stable right

now. Massge and trigger point therapy.

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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LOL. I'm pleased to help!

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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Hi Deb,

Since you are an RN and may know something about this drug my ob/gyn put me on

today, what do you know about Lexapro? He seemed to think I have a problem with

anxiety and depression. Go figure, 5 surgeries in 6 years (shoulder, 2 neck

fusions and this June a lumbar fusion). I know it's a serotonin uptake inhibitor

and best I can remember, that's not a good thing. But I would like your opinion,

please.

Thanks,

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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Lexapro is an SSRI Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitor, this is

 not usually considered a bad thing. Mind if I ask why you think so? It is a

common drug used for depression. It takes at least a week in your system to

start working, which is much shorter than some other SSRI's like Prozac. ALL

anti-depressants have potential unpleasant side-effects, but for some the

benefits outweigh the risks. Everyone reacts differently to all medications and

there's no way of knowing if this will work for you or if the side effects you

will experience will be unpleasant...until you have taken the drug for a good

month. Sometimes the side effects are worse in the beginning but gradually

disappear over time. I always suggest that people give it a good month before

talking to their doc about trying a different one. Sometimes it involves a

little trial and error to find the right one for YOU. One drug will work great

for one person and make another feel horrible. I would encourage you to do lots

of online research about Lexapro and

all the other choices of anti-depressants. This will give you a little more

knowledge about what you are dealing with.

Also, care needs to be taken when combining an antidepressant with Tramadol or 

opiate narcotics. Some people, usually at higher doses, can develop a syndrome

called " Seretonin Syndrome " which is what happens when your system has too much

seretonin. This is an emergency and can be fatal. Again, it doesn't commonly

happen, but it does happen. Knowing what to look for is important. I personally

don't feel that the risk of Seretonin Syndrome outweighs the potential benefit

of the antidepressant.---

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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Thanks . Seems like a drug they prescribed for me years ago was a serotonin

uptake inhibitor which I wound up not taking and later found out thru TV lawyer

commercials that the drug was bad. That's why this new drug scares me. Actually

most all new drugs scare me because of all the ones that were supposedly FDA

approved but then turn out to damage the heart or similar problems. I know that

technology has come quite a way and some of these new drugs are great but then

again I believe alot of it is about money. Some of the older, more tried and

true drugs will accomplish the same outcome and cost us much less. I think these

docs want to prescribe the latest and greatest thing the salesmen bring. It's

all about the money. Yep, I'm cynical. Been thru alot too. And the side effects

from all the combinations of drugs just make me feel terrible. I'm also diabetic

and right now my sugar is totally out of control because of my pain and stress

and the doc has raised my insulin 3 times in 2 weeks and it still isn't

controlled. I had a cup of coffee (sweetened) and a coffee cake at 7 and at 11

at my docs office, my sugar was 398, 4 hours after eating. Does anyone else have

this problem with sugar? Mine has been especially high since my surgery in June.

I just figured me being out of work and less active was doing it but something

is wrong somewhere. Oh well, sorry I've rambled. I have so much going on, I

could write a book. No one would ever believe it tho, except maybe for you guys.

Thanks again.

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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Yo are right to question the drugs. After trying Cymbalta for depression/chronic

pain I had horrible migraines on it. My ears started ringing and feeling clogged

on and off. A bunch of wierd stuff. I went online and did some research and

found out a lot of bad stuff about it. I won't take anything that hasn't been

out on the market for several years. When a med has a generic, that's a good

sign. A company holds a patent for 17 years before they have to release it. This

when a generic becomes available. A while ago I posted an article from Readers

Digest about the state of the FDA and how meds are being pushed though without

proper human clinical trials. The article interviewed a former FDA employee and

went so far as to say that when they are first on the market, that really IS the

clinical trials. Scary. Like you said, people assume that since technology is

advanced, the meds must be safer...sadly this is far from the truth. The FDA is

a government run

operation, with very little funding. They can't afford the proper testing and

the big pharmaceutical companies come along with their new drug and they have

the big bucks...well you can guess where things end up.

The truth is that new drugs are less tested than they used to be and the

consumer is unwittingly being used as a guinea pig to test out their meds. And

since most people don't report their negative symptoms and discontinuation of

the drug, they only know of the deaths and serious stuff that hospitals report.

---

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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as far as chiro, and this is just my opinion based on my experience,

but if you have a ruptured disc that has become bone on bone then

there is very little that a chiro can do (again just my opinion from

my personal experience)....aligning bone on bone is still bone on bone

and that is painful. If you have other issues with your

back....meaning when I was in severe pain, no massage or alignment

would help because my issue wasn't muscular nor was it alignment....it

was that I had no disc left. I think that is why this group is

important. You need to understand where your pain is coming from and

treat that issue....we all have " back problems " , but they might come

from a different place. Mine was I had a ruptured dics and a failed

discetomy...due to that I had to have a fusion and I feel better now

than I have in years. My case is different...a fusion doesn't work

for everyone...just like chiro won't work for everyone. Learn to know

what is causing your pain and research what works best. I wouldn't

recommend surgery for everyone, but it...so far....has been heaven for

me. Again....just my opinion, based on my personal pain!

>

> From: Debra <i_ownaberner>

> Subject: RE: headaches and ant-

inflammatories

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:55 PM

>

> Ivan,

>

> Yes, these are called chronic daily headaches and are a B to get rid

> of. You get them by taking those types of drugs

>

> Deb RN

>

> From: spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> [mailto:spinedisord erssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan

>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:35 PM

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Subject: headaches and ant- inflammatories

>

> Howdee all,

> Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

> anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from

continual use of

> ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the

info I read

> said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

> arthritis realted issues.

>

> ivan

>

>

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I just found out some bad info on Cymbalta in relation to causing extreme pain

in men, I myself have been experienceing this very problem right now, my PM had

me on it to enhance my pain meds, but now is in the process of taking me off of

it, I have to decee it by thaking it every other day for 6 doses, the only thing

is the enhancement that it help with the pain meds, will be supplemented by my

PM when we see what effect happens.

geo

headaches and ant- inflammatories

Howdee all,

Does anyone here who suffers from regular headaches suspect that the

anti-inflammatory he or she is taking is the cause? Or from continual use of

ultarcet/tramadol? I've heard about rebound headaches but it the info I read

said you get them if you take these meds for the headaches instead of

arthritis realted issues.

ivan

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_tpowell1977@..._ (mailto:tpowell1977@...) writes: << Ultram

aka Tramadol does not have Tylenol, only the Ultracet does,...>>

Then why do the docs tell you to discontinue using Tramadol for 7-10 days

prior to surgery? I found this out the hard way...my pre-op warning med sheet

listed Ultram but I didn't know Tramadol was the same thing.

In addition to my daily Morphine and Flexeril, I have Tramadol for

breakthrough back pain. Luckily (?) I stopped using it on my own around the end

of

August because it was giving me migraines; BUT, the day before my 9/10

capsulotomy I had such horrible back pain that I took one. The morning of

surgery they

asked what I'd eaten, drank, and medicated with the day before. As soon as I

said I had 1 Tramadol you'da thunk the world was ending in seconds! They

stopped my IV, had massive huddles around the nurse's station, grabbed my

anesthesiologist and surgeon and discussed the situ.

My surgeon told me they wanted him to cancel my operation but for many

reasons we " had " to try and do it that day. He made it clear to me and my hubby

that if he opened me up and I started bleeding too much, the surgery would be

stopped immediately.

Presumably Tramadol has blood thinning effects?

Anyway, surgery went on and was completed as scheduled.

Best regards,

Patty A

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_tpowell1977@..._ (mailto:tpowell1977@...) writes: <<...They

must have either thought you meant something else. I bet they were thinking it

was TORADOL. Have you ever taken that med? Unlike TRAMADOL, Toradol is a

powerful anti-inflammatory medication that can interfere with...>>

Nope, they knew it was TRAMADOL. I had to bring all my med bottles with me

that day. In fact, the nurse who called me for Monday's surgery just said the

same thing... " NO TRAMADOL 7-10 days " ...they apparently have my pain mgmt

clinic records of meds in front of them.

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_tpowell1977@..._ (mailto:tpowell1977@...) writes: << Also,

Tylenol does NOT interfere with blood clotting, only anti-inflammatories like

Motrin aka: advil, ibuprofen, etc>>

I'm gastric bypass, we aren't allowed to have any anti-inflammatories for

life. Tylenol only.

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That's insane! I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is NO risk for

bleeding with this medication. They must have either thought you meant something

else. I bet they were thinking it was TORADOL. Have you ever taken that med?

Unlike TRAMADOL, Toradol is a powerful anti-inflammatory medication that can

interfere with the ability for the body to clot. This is a med that you have to

discontinue  7-10 days prior to surgery. ---

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_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977) writes: << Ultram

aka Tramadol does not have Tylenol, only the Ultracet does,...>>

Then why do the docs tell you to discontinue using Tramadol for 7-10 days

prior to surgery? I found this out the hard way...my pre-op warning med sheet

listed Ultram but I didn't know Tramadol was the same thing.

In addition to my daily Morphine and Flexeril, I have Tramadol for

breakthrough back pain. Luckily (?) I stopped using it on my own around the end

of

August because it was giving me migraines; BUT, the day before my 9/10

capsulotomy I had such horrible back pain that I took one. The morning of

surgery they

asked what I'd eaten, drank, and medicated with the day before. As soon as I

said I had 1 Tramadol you'da thunk the world was ending in seconds! They

stopped my IV, had massive huddles around the nurse's station, grabbed my

anesthesiologist and surgeon and discussed the situ.

My surgeon told me they wanted him to cancel my operation but for many

reasons we " had " to try and do it that day. He made it clear to me and my hubby

that if he opened me up and I started bleeding too much, the surgery would be

stopped immediately.

Presumably Tramadol has blood thinning effects?

Anyway, surgery went on and was completed as scheduled.

Best regards,

Patty A

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Also, Tylenol does NOT interfere with blood clotting, only anti-inflammatories

like Motrin aka: advil, ibuprofen, etc... There is no reason for you to not take

Tramadol, I know they prefer you to take a shorter acting pain med like Percocet

or Vicodin (which do contain tylenol) as they will be giving you heavy narcotics

during surgery. What a bunch of idiots...

Re: headaches and ant- inflammatories

_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977) writes: << Ultram

aka Tramadol does not have Tylenol, only the Ultracet does,...>>

Then why do the docs tell you to discontinue using Tramadol for 7-10 days

prior to surgery? I found this out the hard way...my pre-op warning med sheet

listed Ultram but I didn't know Tramadol was the same thing.

In addition to my daily Morphine and Flexeril, I have Tramadol for

breakthrough back pain. Luckily (?) I stopped using it on my own around the end

of

August because it was giving me migraines; BUT, the day before my 9/10

capsulotomy I had such horrible back pain that I took one. The morning of

surgery they

asked what I'd eaten, drank, and medicated with the day before. As soon as I

said I had 1 Tramadol you'da thunk the world was ending in seconds! They

stopped my IV, had massive huddles around the nurse's station, grabbed my

anesthesiologist and surgeon and discussed the situ.

My surgeon told me they wanted him to cancel my operation but for many

reasons we " had " to try and do it that day. He made it clear to me and my hubby

that if he opened me up and I started bleeding too much, the surgery would be

stopped immediately.

Presumably Tramadol has blood thinning effects?

Anyway, surgery went on and was completed as scheduled.

Best regards,

Patty A

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extremely odd....really....I know of no explanation for this

 

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_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977) writes: <<...They

must have either thought you meant something else. I bet they were thinking it

was TORADOL. Have you ever taken that med? Unlike TRAMADOL, Toradol is a

powerful anti-inflammatory medication that can interfere with...>>

Nope, they knew it was TRAMADOL. I had to bring all my med bottles with me

that day. In fact, the nurse who called me for Monday's surgery just said the

same thing... " NO TRAMADOL 7-10 days " ...they apparently have my pain mgmt

clinic records of meds in front of them.

Best regards,

Patty A

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The reason they did not want you to take it was several fold...one is the

effect on your liver..when your liver does not work properly you bleed. The

second is that ultram lowers the seizure threshold. It could be dangerous

to be in status epilepticus while under anesthesia cause you could be

seizing for hours and because you are paralyzed they would not know it.and

therefore you could fry your brain.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

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Babbitt

Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:55 AM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: headaches and ant- inflammatories

Also, Tylenol does NOT interfere with blood clotting, only

anti-inflammatories like Motrin aka: advil, ibuprofen, etc... There is no

reason for you to not take Tramadol, I know they prefer you to take a

shorter acting pain med like Percocet or Vicodin (which do contain tylenol)

as they will be giving you heavy narcotics during surgery. What a bunch of

idiots...

Re: headaches and ant- inflammatories

_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977) writes: << Ultram

aka Tramadol does not have Tylenol, only the Ultracet does,...>>

Then why do the docs tell you to discontinue using Tramadol for 7-10 days

prior to surgery? I found this out the hard way...my pre-op warning med

sheet

listed Ultram but I didn't know Tramadol was the same thing.

In addition to my daily Morphine and Flexeril, I have Tramadol for

breakthrough back pain. Luckily (?) I stopped using it on my own around the

end of

August because it was giving me migraines; BUT, the day before my 9/10

capsulotomy I had such horrible back pain that I took one. The morning of

surgery they

asked what I'd eaten, drank, and medicated with the day before. As soon as I

said I had 1 Tramadol you'da thunk the world was ending in seconds! They

stopped my IV, had massive huddles around the nurse's station, grabbed my

anesthesiologist and surgeon and discussed the situ.

My surgeon told me they wanted him to cancel my operation but for many

reasons we " had " to try and do it that day. He made it clear to me and my

hubby

that if he opened me up and I started bleeding too much, the surgery would

be

stopped immediately.

Presumably Tramadol has blood thinning effects?

Anyway, surgery went on and was completed as scheduled.

Best regards,

Patty A

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_tpowell1977@..._ (mailto:tpowell1977@...) writes: << Tramadol

does not make your liver function improperly unless you are taking a large

amount over a long time...>>

Well, now my guess here is that, while it may be true that Tramadol itself

doesn't cause liver malfunction, the fact that I am post-op gastric bypass

does. Our livers are severely compromised.

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Tramadol does not make your liver function improperly unless you are taking  a

large amount over a long time , and one dose the day before would not be enough

under any circumstances cause this or delay surgery. As far as the seizure

threshold is concerned, unless someone already has had problems with seizures

this would not even be a thought in the surgical process, and if a patient had

problems with seizures already, they would not be taking tramadol in the first

place. Patients are routinely operated on with Tramadol in their system.

 

Furthermore, the patient stated that the surgeon said it was in regards to

bleeding and potential for blood loss. The basics are that Tramadol in and of

itself  does not cause blood thinning.

Re: headaches and ant- inflammatories

_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977 ) writes: << Ultram

aka Tramadol does not have Tylenol, only the Ultracet does,...>>

Then why do the docs tell you to discontinue using Tramadol for 7-10 days

prior to surgery? I found this out the hard way...my pre-op warning med

sheet

listed Ultram but I didn't know Tramadol was the same thing.

In addition to my daily Morphine and Flexeril, I have Tramadol for

breakthrough back pain. Luckily (?) I stopped using it on my own around the

end of

August because it was giving me migraines; BUT, the day before my 9/10

capsulotomy I had such horrible back pain that I took one. The morning of

surgery they

asked what I'd eaten, drank, and medicated with the day before. As soon as I

said I had 1 Tramadol you'da thunk the world was ending in seconds! They

stopped my IV, had massive huddles around the nurse's station, grabbed my

anesthesiologist and surgeon and discussed the situ.

My surgeon told me they wanted him to cancel my operation but for many

reasons we " had " to try and do it that day. He made it clear to me and my

hubby

that if he opened me up and I started bleeding too much, the surgery would

be

stopped immediately.

Presumably Tramadol has blood thinning effects?

Anyway, surgery went on and was completed as scheduled.

Best regards,

Patty A

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Perhaps true, but most meds have a possibility of affecting your liver, there's

nothing about Tramadol that makes it more likely to hurt you liver. If it was

likely, they wouldn't let you have it at all. The point is that one dose before

surgery will not affect your liver, not will it cause you to bleed. Someone at

the hospital was misinformed somewhere along the line. I've just done a bunch of

research online and can still find nothing that ties Tramadol to anything

regarding surgery.

I did find one study that was done in where moms were given it right before

their c-section...which is a heavy blood loss procedure. They wouldn't ever do

that if it could affect blood loss. ---

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_tpowell1977_ (mailto:tpowell1977) writes: << Tramadol

does not make your liver function improperly unless you are taking a large

amount over a long time...>>

Well, now my guess here is that, while it may be true that Tramadol itself

doesn't cause liver malfunction, the fact that I am post-op gastric bypass

does. Our livers are severely compromised.

Best regards,

Patty A

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