Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

[Guest guest]

Hi Kori...if I am totally wrong about this, someone please set me straight, and

I apologize..but the reason its impinged on one side, and hurts on the other is

because of the anatomy of the spinal cord...you could look up this info

anywhere..its like having a stroke on one side of the brain, and it affects the

opposite side. The nervous system is tricky but your neurologist should explain

this to you. I understand about where you hurt,sweetie....I have bulging discs

from T-12 to S-1,so I, too, get searing pain deep down across my hips, and down

the back of my things...that is a foramen impinging on your sciatic nerve, which

is the main nerve that runs down your legs. I hope this helped...write me back

if you have any questions...I am a former nurse....Vicki in Texas

Kori Jo <butterflygirl9193@...> wrote: Hi everyone, my MRI shows

moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to the right at the L5-S1 level.

At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc bulging asymmetric to the right, mild

facet hypertrophic changes, and right lateral stenosis. There's also posterior

disc bulging at the L2-3 level. It seems most everything is on the right but

most of my pain is on the left, why would that be?? I have this horrible

burning type pain all across my rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but

it's worse on the left. I'm just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is

happening on the right why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping sound

and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That started just a

couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I don't see the dr

again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd ask this group if they

could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Kori Jo,

I read your post....

seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

 

thru

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to the

right at the L5-S1 level.  At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc bulging

asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right lateral

stenosis.  There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.  It seems most

everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left, why would that

be??  I have this horrible burning type pain all across my rear and halfway down

the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left.  I'm just wondering why if it

says most of the stuff is happening on the right why is my pain worse on the

left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping sound

and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.  That started just a

couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be?  I don't see the dr

again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd ask this group if they

could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

 Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Hey Kori,

Think of it sort of like a rubber band, if you are pulling on one side the other

side is sustaining all the pressure.

So, when you have and issue that is pulling to the left, the pain will be on the

right and vice versa.

Hope that helps.

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1@...>

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

spinal problems

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

Hi Kori Jo,

I read your post....

seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

 

thru

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to the

right at the L5-S1 level.  At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc bulging

asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right lateral

stenosis.  There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.  It seems most

everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left, why would that

be??  I have this horrible burning type pain all across my rear and halfway down

the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left.  I'm just wondering why if it

says most of the stuff is happening on the right why is my pain worse on the

left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping sound

and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.  That started just a

couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be?  I don't see the dr

again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd ask this group if they

could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

 Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Good morning!  No, I don't have any tears that I'm aware of. I'm beginnng to get

more pain on my right, I think maybe it's because about a week ago I was

standing up and when I turned to walk to the kitchen I felt this horrible pop

and it felt like something shifted, hard, down in my lower back and since

then I've started to get more and more pain on the right.  One more week until

my first set of ESI's, I really hope they help. I got the letter from the spine

doc with before surgery instructions and if I'm reading it right it looks like

I'm getting 2 injections on the same day, one at L4-5 and one at L5-S1.  But it

also has the date of the first injection and then the date for the second so

then I'm wondering if they're doing 1 injection on the first date and the second

injection on the 2nd date.  Do they normally do 2 on the same day?

 Kori Jo

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to the

right at the L5-S1 level.  At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc bulging

asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right lateral

stenosis.  There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.  It seems most

everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left, why would that

be??  I have this horrible burning type pain all across my rear and halfway down

the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left.  I'm just wondering why if it

says most of the stuff is happening on the right why is my pain worse on the

left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping sound

and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.  That started just a

couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be?  I don't see the dr

again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd ask this group if they

could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

 Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

That does make sense, for some reason I just didn't think about it like that, or

like when you have a stroke, it happens on one side but affects the other. 

Thank you!

 Kori Jo

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to the

right at the L5-S1 level.  At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc bulging

asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right lateral

stenosis.  There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.  It seems most

everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left, why would that

be??  I have this horrible burning type pain all across my rear and halfway down

the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left.  I'm just wondering why if it

says most of the stuff is happening on the right why is my pain worse on the

left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping sound

and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.  That started just a

couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be?  I don't see the dr

again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd ask this group if they

could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

 Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Kori.

Do Not lean back.you could be doing damage to your back. As they say..if it

hurts don't do it. After having 2 back surgeries and now failed back...baby

your bacl as you cannot replace it. Also, MRI's never really equate with

the amount of pain someone has. For instance, by friend was having neck

pain ..no back pain..they did an MRI and subsequentally did major surgery on

neck.his MRI of back showed 8 herniated disks with anular tears pressing on

everything, bone spurs and a little bit of everything.BUT no pain. As the

neuro surgeon says..do Mri'S ON 1000 people...you could have 300 that have

no pain and horrible MRI " S.but they would not do surgery if not bothered.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of Kori Jo

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:33 AM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

That does make sense, for some reason I just didn't think about it like

that, or like when you have a stroke, it happens on one side but affects the

other. Thank you!

Kori Jo

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

I have been suffering off and on for almost 6 and half years from back pain, and

only in the last year has it graduated to the foot.

Its actually left the back to go to the leg and foot in the form of sciatica.

The doctors and Neurosurgeons I have consulted have for years put me off because

my MRI looks so benign.

" Small bulge at L5 and annular tear at L4. "

thats it, yet I have had severe pain off and on with SI pain as well.

Since the sciatica is following very specific dermatomes on the right for L5 I

have decieded Im going to ask about Coblation Nucleplasty which I have read uses

Radiofrequency to shrink the size of the bulging disc.

A lot less risk than surgery since its done out patient and they indicate no

issues of scar tissue either.

Anyone had this procedure? Apparently still in experimental stage but since its

minimally invasive it sounds like a better option for a bulging disc than

surgery. Or at least try this first.

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

WENDY,

I had radiofrequency ablation done two times before my surgeries. It

basically got me thru five years of needing a fusion...I required a fusion

and decided to go with the lesser surgery..laminectomy. got great results

from first surgery...18 months absolutely no back pain..one day walking up

the steps and was caring a can of soda and went to drop it..moved

funny...next morning I woke up and could not get up out of bed. Had to call

911.oh my gosh they totally had to knock my butt out..all I did was scream

from the pain...took them 5 tries to do a MRI...finally they knocked my but

out..I spent a week in the hospital for pain control. When they sent me

home it would take me an hour to walk 10 steps...the pain every time I moved

my leg..they told me I did not need surgery in the hospital. Went to

another neuro surgeon who stated I needed a fusion,, once again I refused.

I asked the neuro to do another laminectomy on the other side at the same

level. He told me that it causes instability and other problems..and I

insisted that I did not want a fusion. (I was a RN and he told me I could

not work for ayear)

I woke up after surgery and the pain was gone. I needed no pain medicine

after surgery (other then the patch I had on) Two days after surgery I

walked 7 miles. Two years later.and bam I have pain again. I had a

MRI..my spinal cord is now tethered from scar tissue...this is called failed

back syndrome. If I would have known..I would have just had the fusion. My

friend had one in June and is off all pain meds and doing well now.

Like I said the MRI is never really indicative of the pain you have. One of

the reasons is the MRI is done laying done not under an axial load.

I am getting ready to have a stimulator implanted.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:13 AM

spinal problems ;

spinal problems

Subject: RE: Bulging discs and stenosis

I have been suffering off and on for almost 6 and half years from back pain,

and only in the last year has it graduated to the foot.

Its actually left the back to go to the leg and foot in the form of

sciatica.

The doctors and Neurosurgeons I have consulted have for years put me off

because my MRI looks so benign.

" Small bulge at L5 and annular tear at L4. "

thats it, yet I have had severe pain off and on with SI pain as well.

Since the sciatica is following very specific dermatomes on the right for L5

I have decieded Im going to ask about Coblation Nucleplasty which I have

read uses Radiofrequency to shrink the size of the bulging disc.

A lot less risk than surgery since its done out patient and they indicate no

issues of scar tissue either.

Anyone had this procedure? Apparently still in experimental stage but since

its minimally invasive it sounds like a better option for a bulging disc

than surgery. Or at least try this first.

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Kori,

I have had probably 50 ESI's..first off they normally do them in sets of 3.

I have always had mine done by my pain doc. I am anesthetized while they do

it. That's right..asleep. The one time I tried to do it awake..I was

screaming..or you doing yours awake? And yes I normally have two

injections.the left and the right. Is your doc doing this under

fluoroscopy? Is he doing it in the hospital?

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of Kori Jo

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:32 AM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

Good morning! No, I don't have any tears that I'm aware of. I'm beginnng to

get more pain on my right, I think maybe it's because about a week ago I was

standing up and when I turned to walk to the kitchen I felt this horrible

pop and it felt like something shifted, hard, down in my lower back and

since then I've started to get more and more pain on the right. One more

week until my first set of ESI's, I really hope they help. I got the letter

from the spine doc with before surgery instructions and if I'm reading it

right it looks like I'm getting 2 injections on the same day, one at L4-5

and one at L5-S1. But it also has the date of the first injection and then

the date for the second so then I'm wondering if they're doing 1 injection

on the first date and the second injection on the 2nd date. Do they

normally do 2 on the same day?

Kori Jo

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Stimulator Implant, is that the same as Tens implant?

Sorry for asking questions.

>

> From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Hi Kori Jo,

> I read your post....

> seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

>

> thru

>

> Bulging discs and stenosis

>

> Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

asymmetric to

> the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

> bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

and right

> lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

> It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

the left,

> why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

> rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

left. I'm

> just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the

right

> why is my pain worse on the left??

>

> Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

popping

> sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

> started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

> don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

thought I'd

> ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

>

> Thanks!

> Kori Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

TENS are not impanted. TENS stands for trans electrical nerve stimulation.

I asked the doc if it was similar and was told NO.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of Margee'

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:40 AM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

Stimulator Implant, is that the same as Tens implant?

Sorry for asking questions.

>

> From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Hi Kori Jo,

> I read your post....

> seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

>

> thru

>

> Bulging discs and stenosis

>

> Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

asymmetric to

> the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

> bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

and right

> lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

> It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

the left,

> why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

> rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

left. I'm

> just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the

right

> why is my pain worse on the left??

>

> Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

popping

> sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

> started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

> don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

thought I'd

> ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

>

> Thanks!

> Kori Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Debra

I too am an RN and Im sure I injured my back with all the lifting and pulling of

patients as well as being hit from behind while driving when I was doing home

care, I was hit about 3 times, which ended my carear in Home Care which I really

liked.

So I have had many, many Epidurals over the past 2 years, I am always awake, no

problem, but sometimes they hurt a day after more than other times.

So the Radiofrequency bought you some time?

I know I need to bite the bullet and do a Discogram, I just have been afraid of

possible complications.

You know my Neurosurgeon said the same thing about the Discetomy, that it would

cause instability further on down the road.

He told me if I could live with this I would be better off.

Unfortunately its the almost daily severe sciatica that is driving me crazy!

Not to mention that weakness I have on my right glute medius which affects hip

adduction, abduction. So I have to do daily exercises to make sure those

muscles stay strong, if they get weak than I develop an Upslip in the Sacrum

which is excrutiatingly painful!

Anyway the Sciatica is the pitts...

It comes and goes with a mind of its own. Funny, my back doesnt really bother

me anymore.

So thank you for your feedback!

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Yes it bought me five years before the first surgery. I originally hurt

myself lifting a 280 lb quad as a new grad. At that time I was maybe 95

lbs. Then I was hit on the highway I was stopped and hit by 5 cars.

My pain management doc does not recommend a discogram. They are extremely

painful. The neuro surgeon never requested one either.

If I could do another radiofrequency abaltation I would in a heartbeat.

You are asleep for most of the procedure. They wake you up to make sure

they are in the right spot...if you are screaming they are in the right spot

and they put you back to sleep. Increase in pain for 3-5 days and that's

it.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:53 AM

spinal problems

Subject: RE: Bulging discs and stenosis

Thanks Debra

I too am an RN and Im sure I injured my back with all the lifting and

pulling of patients as well as being hit from behind while driving when I

was doing home care, I was hit about 3 times, which ended my carear in Home

Care which I really liked.

So I have had many, many Epidurals over the past 2 years, I am always awake,

no problem, but sometimes they hurt a day after more than other times.

So the Radiofrequency bought you some time?

I know I need to bite the bullet and do a Discogram, I just have been afraid

of possible complications.

You know my Neurosurgeon said the same thing about the Discetomy, that it

would cause instability further on down the road.

He told me if I could live with this I would be better off.

Unfortunately its the almost daily severe sciatica that is driving me crazy!

Not to mention that weakness I have on my right glute medius which affects

hip adduction, abduction. So I have to do daily exercises to make sure those

muscles stay strong, if they get weak than I develop an Upslip in the Sacrum

which is excrutiatingly painful!

Anyway the Sciatica is the pitts...

It comes and goes with a mind of its own. Funny, my back doesnt really

bother me anymore.

So thank you for your feedback!

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

screaming huh? jeez that sounds horrible. Thought when I had my first SI

injection by a physiatrist who clearly didnt do them often, well I used lots of

curse words and would have confessed to anything.

One Neurosurgeon I saw said I didnt need a discogram, but the physiatrist seems

to think I need to rule out whether its the bulge or the annular tear at L4.

I know I have heard they are extremely painful, thats why I havent done it!

wendy

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

,

Pain management docs do the most of these injections. Radiofrequency

ablation basically they are burning the nerve that causes pain. As they

apply the heat your nerve dies. They can not do these awake. Was the

physiatrist going to do the discogram? My neuro surgeon does not believe in

them.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:24 PM

spinal problems

Subject: RE: Bulging discs and stenosis

screaming huh? jeez that sounds horrible. Thought when I had my first SI

injection by a physiatrist who clearly didnt do them often, well I used lots

of curse words and would have confessed to anything.

One Neurosurgeon I saw said I didnt need a discogram, but the physiatrist

seems to think I need to rule out whether its the bulge or the annular tear

at L4.

I know I have heard they are extremely painful, thats why I havent done it!

wendy

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

I had a discogram or some call it a discography. I'm glad I had it

done. I was very much afraid but I have a great doctor and the

nurses were such a blessing. One nurse even held my hand all the way

through the procedure! My pain doctor performed the discogram and it

did confirm my worst nightmare, a torn disc at L5-S1. Now I have the

peace of mind of at least knowing exactly what causes the pain and

how to go about treating it.

I would have a discogram again in a heart beat. It was less painful

than facet injections I had received months earlier.

Good luck to you,

Jill

>

> From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Hi Kori Jo,

> I read your post....

> seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

>

> thru

>

> Bulging discs and stenosis

>

> Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

asymmetric to

> the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior

disc

> bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

and right

> lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3

level.

> It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

the left,

> why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all

across my

> rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

left. I'm

> just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on

the right

> why is my pain worse on the left??

>

> Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

popping

> sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.

That

> started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might

be? I

> don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

thought I'd

> ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

>

> Thanks!

> Kori Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Did this show up on MRI..if not what did your MRI show? Were you awake with

your discogram? My PM said he puts you to sleep and wakes you up only to

reproduce the pain... what did they suggest to treat the problem?

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of Jill

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:08 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

I had a discogram or some call it a discography. I'm glad I had it

done. I was very much afraid but I have a great doctor and the

nurses were such a blessing. One nurse even held my hand all the way

through the procedure! My pain doctor performed the discogram and it

did confirm my worst nightmare, a torn disc at L5-S1. Now I have the

peace of mind of at least knowing exactly what causes the pain and

how to go about treating it.

I would have a discogram again in a heart beat. It was less painful

than facet injections I had received months earlier.

Good luck to you,

Jill

>

> From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Hi Kori Jo,

> I read your post....

> seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

>

> thru

>

> Bulging discs and stenosis

>

> Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

asymmetric to

> the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior

disc

> bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

and right

> lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3

level.

> It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

the left,

> why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all

across my

> rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

left. I'm

> just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on

the right

> why is my pain worse on the left??

>

> Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

popping

> sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.

That

> started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might

be? I

> don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

thought I'd

> ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

>

> Thanks!

> Kori Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

My Ortho discussed with me about implanting tens in back of my head

just last week.

> >

> > From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> > Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

> >

> > Hi Kori Jo,

> > I read your post....

> > seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> > the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> > it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> > Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

> >

> > thru

> >

> > Bulging discs and stenosis

> >

> > Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

> asymmetric to

> > the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior

disc

> > bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

> and right

> > lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3

level.

> > It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

> the left,

> > why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all

across my

> > rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

> left. I'm

> > just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the

> right

> > why is my pain worse on the left??

> >

> > Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

> popping

> > sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

> > started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might

be? I

> > don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

> thought I'd

> > ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Kori Jo

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My MRI only showed that I have a slightly bulging disc. I found out later I had

a low quality MRI.

 

I was awake during the whole procedure. My PM gave me a sedative to calm me

down.  It relaxed me and my doctor told me exactly what he was doing step by

step. It was not as traumatic as I thought it would be.

 

The only treatment for me is disc replacement.  I have not had the surgery yet. 

I have an attorney fighting Blue Cross/Blue Shield because they will not cover

disc replacement only spinal fusion. I refuse to have my spine fused. Thanks to

Joanne from this support group I found out about Stenum Hospital in Germany. 

I'm in the process of getting all my films together to send to Stenum s I can

have replacement surgery there. I have heard many good things about Stenum.

 

Let me know if I can help you with any other questions,

 

Jill

From: Debra <i_ownaberner@...>

Subject: RE: Bulging discs and stenosis

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:21 PM

Jill,

Did this show up on MRI..if not what did your MRI show? Were you awake with

your discogram? My PM said he puts you to sleep and wakes you up only to

reproduce the pain... what did they suggest to treat the problem?

Deb RN

From: spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

[mailto:spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jill

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:08 PM

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

I had a discogram or some call it a discography. I'm glad I had it

done. I was very much afraid but I have a great doctor and the

nurses were such a blessing. One nurse even held my hand all the way

through the procedure! My pain doctor performed the discogram and it

did confirm my worst nightmare, a torn disc at L5-S1. Now I have the

peace of mind of at least knowing exactly what causes the pain and

how to go about treating it.

I would have a discogram again in a heart beat. It was less painful

than facet injections I had received months earlier.

Good luck to you,

Jill

>

> From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

> Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Hi Kori Jo,

> I read your post....

> seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

> the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

> it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

> Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

>

> thru

>

> Bulging discs and stenosis

>

> Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes

asymmetric to

> the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior

disc

> bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes,

and right

> lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3

level.

> It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on

the left,

> why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all

across my

> rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the

left. I'm

> just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on

the right

> why is my pain worse on the left??

>

> Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new

popping

> sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something.

That

> started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might

be? I

> don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I

thought I'd

> ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

>

> Thanks!

> Kori Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debra

Yes the Physiatrist was going to do the Discogram, the Neurosurgeon at

town whom I have seen doesnt think I need it.

I am torn because I realize that the disc maybe more complicated in structure

than just " bulging " as seen on the MRI.

My L5 has a central bulge and the L4 has the Annular tear. The Neurosurgeon

thinks its the L5 and one of the Physiatrists in the group I have seen thinks

its the Annular Tear, so you can see you get differing opinions on what is

causing pain and god knows maybe its both of them!

So I guess I feel that maybe I need to rule it out to make sure we know for sure

which is the pain generator.

I checked at town and the Chief of Interventional Neuroradiology also

does the Discogram and there they put in the IV with some lite sedation where as

the Physiatrist just has you take oral valium before the procedure. That makes

me nervous because what if there is a complication?

I like the idea of lite sedation.

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Definitely go with the IV sedation which is what I had. I had to have extra

sedation because I was so nervous.  With an IV that can be done immediately. 

Oral meds take awhile to take effect. After being on narcotic pain killers for

months oral Valium does not work very effectively for me.

 

Jill

From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

Hi Kori Jo,

I read your post....

seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

thru

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

thanks for the feedback.

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

I have had 3 discograms over the last 7 years and nothing good came out of them.

And yes they are painful, but you do have to be able to feel some pain for them

to do the test. I would get as far away from any one as I could that just wanted

to give me a pill before one

From: Joanne Shively <thruhiseyes1>

Subject: Re: Bulging discs and stenosis

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:33 PM

Hi Kori Jo,

I read your post....

seems to me that is the direction the bulge is touching

the nerve and causing the issues on the left side..I think

it might be the angle....but I am not a Dr.

Do you know if you have any tears..in the disc?

thru

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

thank you for your input. Thats what I thought.

They told me that the prolotherapy would help and that put me back like 6 months

in therapy and caused a lot of nerve pain.

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb, after reading about the screaming I'm going to make sure I'm asleep when

he does it!!  I'm having it done in a procedure room at the doctor's office.  He

didn't mention anything about fluoroscopy and to be honest I'm not sure what

that is. I wish I could spend more time at the computer so I could read up on

all these types of procedures, I think I wouldn't feel so afraid if I understood

more of this back stuff.  Fusions, lamenictomy, discograms, etc......He told me

about fusion surgery but it sounds like there's many procedures that are done

for back pain/problems and none of them sound like very much fun and it doesn't

sound like there's one specific procedure that works great for everybody.  I'm

35 and have had 9 surgeries in my life (mostly women related stuff that started

when I was 14) including a back surgery at the T11-12 level in 2004 where they

removed a very large congenital cyst that I didn't know I had, but this is the

first time where the thought of surgery scares me.

 Kori Jo

Bulging discs and stenosis

Hi everyone, my MRI shows moderate facet hypertrophic changes asymmetric to

the right at the L5-S1 level. At the L4-5 level it shows posterior disc

bulging asymmetric to the right, mild facet hypertrophic changes, and right

lateral stenosis. There's also posterior disc bulging at the L2-3 level.

It seems most everything is on the right but most of my pain is on the left,

why would that be?? I have this horrible burning type pain all across my

rear and halfway down the back of my thighs but it's worse on the left. I'm

just wondering why if it says most of the stuff is happening on the right

why is my pain worse on the left??

Also, when I do this leaning back kind of stretch I have this new popping

sound and it feels like bones are rubbing together or something. That

started just a couple weeks ago, does anybody know what that might be? I

don't see the dr again until the 18th, for my first ESI, so I thought I'd

ask this group if they could answer any of my questions.

Thanks!

Kori Jo