Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 At 03:48 AM 07/04/2000 -0000, you wrote: >which exemption, do you think, would be the best one to file? > >i am in colorado and can file any of the 3 types of exemptions, >medical, philosophical, or religious. i am just trying to figure out >if it would be better to file a philosophical or religious exemption. >i was thinking what if, one day, we move to a state that only has >medical and religious exemptions available? can they hold it against >me if i had a philosophical exemption in one state and try to file a >religious exemption in another? > Make life easy - do philosophical. No states compare with other states, there is no database of this stuff. It isn't that complicated right now. The school just wants their paper work in order unless you get a neo-nazi nurse for that school. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 In a message dated 7/4/00 12:00:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cl-chrisziggy@... writes: << am just trying to figure out if it would be better to file a philosophical or religious exemption. i was thinking what if, one day, we move to a state that only has medical and religious exemptions available? can they hold it against me if i had a philosophical exemption in one state and try to file a religious exemption in another? >> I don't know if they could holdit against you...But, I know in PA we have to use moral reasoning. If you say " philosophical " they throw it out. So, I have to say basically, " I'm choosing not to vaccinate because I don't want to kill the kids " . Or so a chiropractor told me. I think I'll phrase it a little differently than he did. LOL www.diapers.bizland.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Just wondering.... For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. Any suggestions?? Jenn --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Hi, Jenn... I now start out by giving the new doctor a LIST. I've got listed all of the meds I take, all the meds I've tried that haven't worked, all the meds I'm allergic to, all the treatments that haven't worked, and a brief mention of other things in my medical history (it's a full page list, two columns!). So when they say " well, gee, it looks like maybe your facet joints, so a medial branch block should take away the pain " , I'm ready with the list, pointing out that I've tried that twice, and the second time actually made me worse. And follow that up with " do you have a different treatment for that, one that I haven't tried yet? " . This is a new approach for me, and maybe it works better with some doctors than with others, but it seems to be working well with my current doc, he *really* likes my list. On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote: > > Just wondering.... > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on > their back conditions.... > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the > information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only > the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know > if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I > have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact > that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but > I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors > and go strictly by that. > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't > want to not give them the information I already have. > > Any suggestions?? > Jenn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Jenn, IMHO I think the best thing to do is to have the doctor come up with his/her own diognosis before you fill them in on anything any other doctor has already done. It is best for them to come to their own doognosis of what they believe is wrong with you and their suggestions of what they would do for you. After that then you may fill in the new doctor with all the info including tests, meds and stuff that other doctors have done. I hope this helps. in Utah JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote: Just wondering.... For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. Any suggestions?? Jenn --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 That's what I was thinking too BUT, when you're filling out all the paperwork as a new patient it asks for all that information which I don't want to lie on and leave stuff out. I also don't want to come across as if I'm " testing " the doctor which some might take offense to. Any suggestions on how to go about doing what you wrote? =) Robison <bigred84022@...> wrote: Jenn, IMHO I think the best thing to do is to have the doctor come up with his/her own diognosis before you fill them in on anything any other doctor has already done. It is best for them to come to their own doognosis of what they believe is wrong with you and their suggestions of what they would do for you. After that then you may fill in the new doctor with all the info including tests, meds and stuff that other doctors have done. I hope this helps. in Utah JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote: Just wondering.... For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. Any suggestions?? Jenn --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Jenn- When I started to see several doctors at a time, I made a diagram to carry with me to each doctor so that I was giving them the same information- not about what was done, but what I was feeling. I had my son take a picture of my back, neck, and arms. I put it on the computer and added color coding as to the different types of pain I was having. Something like that might help. cd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 I didn't mean that I'd be completely secretive. If they told me they were going to send me for a test that I already had, I'd tell them then. I'm just saying for the first few minutes of the office visit I'd like for them to review my case with clear eyes and thoughts, not cloudy with what other doctors think. No one has been able to tell me what exactly is causing my pain. They have all told me what I have wrong with me, but none of them think that any of it is what's causing my pain. <laughsinglive@...> wrote: Yes... but... they're likely to reach the same conclusions the last doctor(s) did. If you go in with no information, they're going to want to run the same tests, and they'll see the same results, so then you've spent piles of money repeating tests that didn't help, and spent more time in pain, just to get exactly where you are now. And most people aren't happy about having their time wasted like that, doctors are no different. I'm a programmer... when someone tells me that a program doesn't work right, and they ask for my help figuring it out, I want to know what they've looked at already, so I don't reinvent the wheel. I might re-do some of their research, because some of what they've done might be in my usual diagnostic routine, but if I end up spending hours trying what they've already tried, I'm going to be ticked off. And that might not be the best way to start a new relationship with a new doctor. Maybe you could try just being totally honest with the new doc? Tell them you are hoping they won't be swayed by what went before, so you want them to start fresh? At least then, you can discuss it. I still think you're better off giving them the history, though. And telling them that you feel the prior diagnoses can't possibly be right, since the treatment for those diagnoses didn't fix you. On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote: > > I did actually do the same thing with one doctor and he was really > thankful too. > However, I don't want to " cloud the mind " of the new doctor. I almost > want to go in with NO information and have them come to their own > conclusions. Does that make sense? > > > <laughsinglive@...> wrote: > Hi, Jenn... > > I now start out by giving the new doctor a LIST. I've got listed all of > the > meds I take, all the meds I've tried that haven't worked, all the meds I'm > allergic to, all the treatments that haven't worked, and a brief mention > of > other things in my medical history (it's a full page list, two columns!). > So when they say " well, gee, it looks like maybe your facet joints, so a > medial branch block should take away the pain " , I'm ready with the list, > pointing out that I've tried that twice, and the second time actually made > me worse. And follow that up with " do you have a different treatment for > that, one that I haven't tried yet? " . > > This is a new approach for me, and maybe it works better with some doctors > than with others, but it seems to be working well with my current doc, he > *really* likes my list. > > On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote: > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on > > their back conditions.... > > > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the > > information you already have on your back without swaying them to see > only > > the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know > > if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I > > have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact > > that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, > but > > I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other > doctors > > and go strictly by that. > > > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't > > want to not give them the information I already have. > > > > Any suggestions?? > > Jenn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Thanks. achangedlife101 <no_reply > wrote: Jenn- When I started to see several doctors at a time, I made a diagram to carry with me to each doctor so that I was giving them the same information- not about what was done, but what I was feeling. I had my son take a picture of my back, neck, and arms. I put it on the computer and added color coding as to the different types of pain I was having. Something like that might help. cd Bumper's Tribute Page Animals In Need's Webpage Animals In Need's Mailing List I am Boycotting Canada until they end the Seal Hunts! Click here for more info --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion. Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner > > Just wondering.... > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. > > Any suggestions?? > Jenn > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion. Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner > > Just wondering.... > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. > > Any suggestions?? > Jenn > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with. Hugs and Prayers, Babs Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with. Hugs and Prayers, Babs Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thank you so much Sharon - that makes perfect sense. I will definetly tell my next doctor just that. Thanks!! darkstarzz1019 <darkstarzz1019@...> wrote: Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion. Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner > > Just wondering.... > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. > > Any suggestions?? > Jenn > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thank you so much Sharon - that makes perfect sense. I will definetly tell my next doctor just that. Thanks!! darkstarzz1019 <darkstarzz1019@...> wrote: Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion. Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner > > Just wondering.... > > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back conditions.... > > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen? > > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that. > > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to not give them the information I already have. > > Any suggestions?? > Jenn > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thanks Babs. =) Babs <barbnal@...> wrote: Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with. Hugs and Prayers, Babs Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thanks Babs. =) Babs <barbnal@...> wrote: Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with. Hugs and Prayers, Babs Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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