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At 03:48 AM 07/04/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>which exemption, do you think, would be the best one to file?

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>i am in colorado and can file any of the 3 types of exemptions,

>medical, philosophical, or religious. i am just trying to figure out

>if it would be better to file a philosophical or religious exemption.

>i was thinking what if, one day, we move to a state that only has

>medical and religious exemptions available? can they hold it against

>me if i had a philosophical exemption in one state and try to file a

>religious exemption in another?

>

Make life easy - do philosophical.

No states compare with other states, there is no database of this stuff.

It isn't that complicated right now. The school just wants their paper

work in order unless you get a neo-nazi nurse for that school.

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<< am just trying to figure out

if it would be better to file a philosophical or religious exemption.

i was thinking what if, one day, we move to a state that only has

medical and religious exemptions available? can they hold it against

me if i had a philosophical exemption in one state and try to file a

religious exemption in another? >>

I don't know if they could holdit against you...But, I know in PA we have to

use moral reasoning. If you say " philosophical " they throw it out. So, I have

to say basically, " I'm choosing not to vaccinate because I don't want to kill

the kids " . Or so a chiropractor told me. I think I'll phrase it a little

differently than he did. LOL

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Just wondering....

For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their

back conditions....

When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the

information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the

things that other doctors in the past have seen?

Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if

that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have.

Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have

herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid

they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly

by that.

I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want

to not give them the information I already have.

Any suggestions??

Jenn

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Hi, Jenn...

I now start out by giving the new doctor a LIST. I've got listed all of the

meds I take, all the meds I've tried that haven't worked, all the meds I'm

allergic to, all the treatments that haven't worked, and a brief mention of

other things in my medical history (it's a full page list, two columns!).

So when they say " well, gee, it looks like maybe your facet joints, so a

medial branch block should take away the pain " , I'm ready with the list,

pointing out that I've tried that twice, and the second time actually made

me worse. And follow that up with " do you have a different treatment for

that, one that I haven't tried yet? " .

This is a new approach for me, and maybe it works better with some doctors

than with others, but it seems to be working well with my current doc, he

*really* likes my list.

On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote:

>

> Just wondering....

>

> For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on

> their back conditions....

>

> When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the

> information you already have on your back without swaying them to see only

> the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

>

> Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know

> if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I

> have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact

> that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but

> I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other doctors

> and go strictly by that.

>

> I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't

> want to not give them the information I already have.

>

> Any suggestions??

> Jenn

>

>

>

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Jenn,

IMHO I think the best thing to do is to have the doctor come up with his/her

own diognosis before you fill them in on anything any other doctor has already

done. It is best for them to come to their own doognosis of what they believe is

wrong with you and their suggestions of what they would do for you. After that

then you may fill in the new doctor with all the info including tests, meds and

stuff that other doctors have done.

I hope this helps.

in Utah

JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote:

Just wondering....

For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back

conditions....

When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information

you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that

other doctors in the past have seen?

Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that

is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I

go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated

discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to

see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to

not give them the information I already have.

Any suggestions??

Jenn

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That's what I was thinking too BUT, when you're filling out all the paperwork as

a new patient it asks for all that information which I don't want to lie on and

leave stuff out. I also don't want to come across as if I'm " testing " the

doctor which some might take offense to. Any suggestions on how to go about

doing what you wrote? =)

Robison <bigred84022@...> wrote:

Jenn,

IMHO I think the best thing to do is to have the doctor come up with his/her own

diognosis before you fill them in on anything any other doctor has already done.

It is best for them to come to their own doognosis of what they believe is wrong

with you and their suggestions of what they would do for you. After that then

you may fill in the new doctor with all the info including tests, meds and stuff

that other doctors have done.

I hope this helps.

in Utah

JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote:

Just wondering....

For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on their back

conditions....

When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the information

you already have on your back without swaying them to see only the things that

other doctors in the past have seen?

Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know if that

is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I have. Whenever I

go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact that I have herniated

discs. I'm in search for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to

see only what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't want to

not give them the information I already have.

Any suggestions??

Jenn

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Jenn-

When I started to see several doctors at a time, I made a diagram to

carry with me to each doctor so that I was giving them the same

information- not about what was done, but what I was feeling. I had

my son take a picture of my back, neck, and arms. I put it on the

computer and added color coding as to the different types of pain I

was having.

Something like that might help.

cd

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I didn't mean that I'd be completely secretive. If they told me they were going

to send me for a test that I already had, I'd tell them then. I'm just saying

for the first few minutes of the office visit I'd like for them to review my

case with clear eyes and thoughts, not cloudy with what other doctors think. No

one has been able to tell me what exactly is causing my pain. They have all

told me what I have wrong with me, but none of them think that any of it is

what's causing my pain.

<laughsinglive@...> wrote: Yes... but... they're likely to

reach the same conclusions the last

doctor(s) did. If you go in with no information, they're going to want to

run the same tests, and they'll see the same results, so then you've spent

piles of money repeating tests that didn't help, and spent more time in

pain, just to get exactly where you are now.

And most people aren't happy about having their time wasted like that,

doctors are no different. I'm a programmer... when someone tells me that a

program doesn't work right, and they ask for my help figuring it out, I want

to know what they've looked at already, so I don't reinvent the wheel. I

might re-do some of their research, because some of what they've done might

be in my usual diagnostic routine, but if I end up spending hours trying

what they've already tried, I'm going to be ticked off. And that might not

be the best way to start a new relationship with a new doctor.

Maybe you could try just being totally honest with the new doc? Tell them

you are hoping they won't be swayed by what went before, so you want them to

start fresh? At least then, you can discuss it.

I still think you're better off giving them the history, though. And

telling them that you feel the prior diagnoses can't possibly be right,

since the treatment for those diagnoses didn't fix you.

On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote:

>

> I did actually do the same thing with one doctor and he was really

> thankful too.

> However, I don't want to " cloud the mind " of the new doctor. I almost

> want to go in with NO information and have them come to their own

> conclusions. Does that make sense?

>

>

> <laughsinglive@...> wrote:

> Hi, Jenn...

>

> I now start out by giving the new doctor a LIST. I've got listed all of

> the

> meds I take, all the meds I've tried that haven't worked, all the meds I'm

> allergic to, all the treatments that haven't worked, and a brief mention

> of

> other things in my medical history (it's a full page list, two columns!).

> So when they say " well, gee, it looks like maybe your facet joints, so a

> medial branch block should take away the pain " , I'm ready with the list,

> pointing out that I've tried that twice, and the second time actually made

> me worse. And follow that up with " do you have a different treatment for

> that, one that I haven't tried yet? " .

>

> This is a new approach for me, and maybe it works better with some doctors

> than with others, but it seems to be working well with my current doc, he

> *really* likes my list.

>

> On 7/23/06, JenieGirl <jeniegirl27@...> wrote:

> >

> > Just wondering....

> >

> > For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for answers on

> > their back conditions....

> >

> > When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them the

> > information you already have on your back without swaying them to see

> only

> > the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

> >

> > Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly don't know

> > if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems and pain that I

> > have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to get hung up on the fact

> > that I have herniated discs. I'm in search for another new specialist,

> but

> > I'm afraid they're going to see only what I have been told by other

> doctors

> > and go strictly by that.

> >

> > I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time I don't

> > want to not give them the information I already have.

> >

> > Any suggestions??

> > Jenn

>

>

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Thanks.

achangedlife101 <no_reply > wrote: Jenn-

When I started to see several doctors at a time, I made a diagram to

carry with me to each doctor so that I was giving them the same

information- not about what was done, but what I was feeling. I had

my son take a picture of my back, neck, and arms. I put it on the

computer and added color coding as to the different types of pain I

was having.

Something like that might help.

cd

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Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with

you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking

for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did

not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me

and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the

present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you

can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to

help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really

hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw

and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but

there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you

they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion.

Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But

thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner

>

> Just wondering....

>

> For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for

answers on their back conditions....

>

> When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them

the information you already have on your back without swaying them

to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

>

> Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly

don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems

and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to

get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search

for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only

what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

>

> I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time

I don't want to not give them the information I already have.

>

> Any suggestions??

> Jenn

>

>

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Hi Jenie I would say you still should take any films you have with

you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking

for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did

not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me

and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the

present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you

can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to

help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really

hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw

and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but

there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you

they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion.

Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But

thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner

>

> Just wondering....

>

> For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for

answers on their back conditions....

>

> When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them

the information you already have on your back without swaying them

to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

>

> Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly

don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems

and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to

get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search

for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only

what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

>

> I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time

I don't want to not give them the information I already have.

>

> Any suggestions??

> Jenn

>

>

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Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I

just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all

my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always

best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to

that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of

what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are

already having problems with.

Hugs and Prayers, Babs

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Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion. I took all my xray mri films with me. I

just stated I was seeking a second opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all

my films and then told me I needed surgery. I have learned that it is always

best to get that second opinion about some things.. I have also discovered to

that anytime you have new health issues it is hard to get them off the focus of

what you are already suffering with. Most want to lump it into what you are

already having problems with.

Hugs and Prayers, Babs

Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone

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Thank you so much Sharon - that makes perfect sense. I will definetly tell my

next doctor just that. Thanks!!

darkstarzz1019 <darkstarzz1019@...> wrote: Hi Jenie I would say

you still should take any films you have with

you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking

for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did

not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me

and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the

present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you

can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to

help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really

hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw

and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but

there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you

they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion.

Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But

thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner

>

> Just wondering....

>

> For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for

answers on their back conditions....

>

> When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them

the information you already have on your back without swaying them

to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

>

> Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly

don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems

and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to

get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search

for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only

what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

>

> I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time

I don't want to not give them the information I already have.

>

> Any suggestions??

> Jenn

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Thank you so much Sharon - that makes perfect sense. I will definetly tell my

next doctor just that. Thanks!!

darkstarzz1019 <darkstarzz1019@...> wrote: Hi Jenie I would say

you still should take any films you have with

you. What I told dr's when I saw a new one was that I was looking

for another opinion on my condition and help which other dr's did

not give me. I was not satisfied with what other dr's had told me

and I would appreciate them looking at it from the beginning to the

present. Give them all the information they need to do this but you

can leave out what the other dr's said. Most dr's if they want to

help you will dig from the past and try and find what is really

hurting you. But as you say some will just look at what others saw

and get stuck there. That maybe a big part of your problems but

there could be others too. And if a new dr really wants to help you

they should go thru your entire history and form their own opinion.

Hopefully some others will offer their opinion here for you too. But

thats all I can think of right now. Best wishes Sharon Group Owner

>

> Just wondering....

>

> For those that have gone from doctor to doctor looking for

answers on their back conditions....

>

> When you start with yet another new doctor, how do you give them

the information you already have on your back without swaying them

to see only the things that other doctors in the past have seen?

>

> Like my situation - I have two herniated discs but I honestly

don't know if that is the ONLY thing that is causing the problems

and pain that I have. Whenever I go to a new doctor they seem to

get hung up on the fact that I have herniated discs. I'm in search

for another new specialist, but I'm afraid they're going to see only

what I have been told by other doctors and go strictly by that.

>

> I want to start FROM SCRATCH with a doctor but at the same time

I don't want to not give them the information I already have.

>

> Any suggestions??

> Jenn

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Thanks Babs. =)

Babs <barbnal@...> wrote: Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion.

I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second

opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed

surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about

some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues

it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with.

Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with.

Hugs and Prayers, Babs

Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone

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Thanks Babs. =)

Babs <barbnal@...> wrote: Jenie, When I wanted a second opinion.

I took all my xray mri films with me. I just stated I was seeking a second

opinion. The doctor I went to looked over all my films and then told me I needed

surgery. I have learned that it is always best to get that second opinion about

some things.. I have also discovered to that anytime you have new health issues

it is hard to get them off the focus of what you are already suffering with.

Most want to lump it into what you are already having problems with.

Hugs and Prayers, Babs

Chronic illness Chronic Pain You are not alone

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