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from what I have heard, the outcome is not necessarily any better than doing it

the usual open way.

I would not call it " non-invasive " . They are taking disc tissue out just like

with the regular surgery. The only thing is that you dont need a big long

incision, so the immediate recovery period after the operation is not too bad.

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OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It is suppose to

be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

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Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

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The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision

to decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 <barbarac102@...> wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without

any type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the

procedures, or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so

there is an ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports.

I had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall

than I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It

eventually settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the

ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I

realize the people here are basically the ones in pain, but unfortunately

reading how many have had a hard time makes me sympathetic to them but also

scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry

you aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery,

and they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had

discectomy in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well.

so I guess everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad

off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at least close

to it.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports.

I had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Please me first me first. Sorry about that but I have three rare diseases all

steming around the spinal cord and would love my old life back as well. Instead

everytime I turn around one more thing goes wrong. Anyone want to give me my old

life back this one is wearing the heck out of me. And I have two more spinal

cord operations yet to come had three already.

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote: It's a tough decision. I've

tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad off as others, I don't want

any pain and want my old life back or at least close to it.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

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>

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The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit of pain at one point,

but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of years) things got

better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo things or don't get

enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some medicines. ONe friend

said that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just that it got better with

time. the doctors told me that of people who have herniated discs like me, 80%

will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you

speak of, are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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I hope you can achieve that. FOR ME, I have realized that the best thing that

I have done for myself is to adjust my expectations. I no longer have any

expectation to get back to my old life. Due the my back pain, my expectations

have shifted. Now, if I get through a full workday with no or minimal pain, and

then can play with my son in the evening, I am happy. Before, I used to do

sports, competitive tennis, even skiing and snowboarding with falling over etc,

but there is no way that I can do any of those now, and I have gotten used to

it. BUT, my discectomy 15 years ago did allow me to continue these activities

for 10 more years, so I guess that the surgery did give me some more good years,

but now my back has caought up with me!

I hope you get some relief, and can get back to as much as possible.

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm

not as bad off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at

least close to it.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

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Ok let me explain that one since I happen to be one of them. You learn to live

with it I have the entire spine shot and I now go through seizures on top of it

they told my son to many operations were required I had two brain operations

having Arnold Chiari I, 5 of the 7 discs are screwed and rodded, I have tethered

cord thus needing lumbar fusion as they fixed that. I have an acoustic neuroma

which is a small brain tumor on the hearing nerve. You don't get away from the

pain you just endure and eventually that pain is more and more ignored. You get

up everyday you do what you need to do normally trying to do enough to keep you

mind off it. I moderate two groups on top of everything else. Pain medication

doesn't work for me because I have to much going on I have been to many pain

doctors I have been on duregesic and morphine as well as many other medications

to reduce it they try the so called new medication on me. Guess what they don't

help they make me floaty. I have

hypersensitive arms and loss of feeling in legs. I am 51 and I am worse off

that a 80 year old but my life has got to continue going on. My fingers hurt

typing but it is my life and no one is going to jump in and say heck I will cure

you they can't. My one disc in my neck has a hard time holding up my whole head.

Anyone wanting my life is welcome to it. But I have two sons who need me my

husband passed on at 47 ten days after his birthday with yet another rare

disease called a Glioblastoma Multiforme. I could sit here and cry and go poor

me but there is no one who is going to jump in there and hold me and say your

right poor you. I have no family support so is it hard heck yeah. So when I hear

people say we want our lives back well so do I throw in my husband to while your

at it.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote: The ones I am

referring to: most of them had quite a bit of pain at one point, but they say

that eventually (could have taken a couple of years) things got better and now

they just have off and on pain if they overdo things or don't get enough rest.

They did physical therapy, some did some medicines. ONe friend said that

epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just that it got better with time. the

doctors told me that of people who have herniated discs like me, 80% will get

somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

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Thanks for yor response, I wish you well.

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit of pain at one point,

but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of years) things got

better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo things or don't get

enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some medicines. ONe friend said

that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just that it got better with

time. the doctors told me that of people who have herniated discs like me, 80%

will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

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Thanks so much and I wish the same for you.

~Barbara~

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

I hope you can achieve that. FOR ME, I have realized that the best thing that

I have done for myself is to adjust my expectations. I no longer have any

expectation to get back to my old life. Due the my back pain, my expectations

have shifted. Now, if I get through a full workday with no or minimal pain, and

then can play with my son in the evening, I am happy. Before, I used to do

sports, competitive tennis, even skiing and snowboarding with falling over etc,

but there is no way that I can do any of those now, and I have gotten used to

it. BUT, my discectomy 15 years ago did allow me to continue these activities

for 10 more years, so I guess that the surgery did give me some more good years,

but now my back has caought up with me!

I hope you get some relief, and can get back to as much as possible.

Barbara wrote:

It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad

off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at least close

to it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

I don't know what to say except I am truely sorry for all the troubles you've

had and are still enduring. I sincerely wish you well and comfort.

I couldn't let your post go by without saying a word. Yet I feel my words are

not sufficient but I mean what I wrote.

God Bless you.

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

Ok let me explain that one since I happen to be one of them. You learn to live

with it I have the entire spine shot and I now go through seizures on top of it

they told my son to many operations were required I had two brain operations

having Arnold Chiari I, 5 of the 7 discs are screwed and rodded, I have tethered

cord thus needing lumbar fusion as they fixed that. I have an acoustic neuroma

which is a small brain tumor on the hearing nerve. You don't get away from the

pain you just endure and eventually that pain is more and more ignored. You get

up everyday you do what you need to do normally trying to do enough to keep you

mind off it. I moderate two groups on top of everything else. Pain medication

doesn't work for me because I have to much going on I have been to many pain

doctors I have been on duregesic and morphine as well as many other medications

to reduce it they try the so called new medication on me. Guess what they don't

help they make me floaty. I have

hypersensitive arms and loss of feeling in legs. I am 51 and I am worse off that

a 80 year old but my life has got to continue going on. My fingers hurt typing

but it is my life and no one is going to jump in and say heck I will cure you

they can't. My one disc in my neck has a hard time holding up my whole head.

Anyone wanting my life is welcome to it. But I have two sons who need me my

husband passed on at 47 ten days after his birthday with yet another rare

disease called a Glioblastoma Multiforme. I could sit here and cry and go poor

me but there is no one who is going to jump in there and hold me and say your

right poor you. I have no family support so is it hard heck yeah. So when I hear

people say we want our lives back well so do I throw in my husband to while your

at it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote: The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit

of pain at one point, but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of

years) things got better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo

things or don't get enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some

medicines. ONe friend said that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just

that it got better with time. the doctors told me that of people who have

herniated discs like me, 80% will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you so much Barbara God I am so tired of crying already. There is a time

and place for everything God is watching out for me. I am going to get that put

on a shirt for me. So I can look at it and remind myself.

Hugs

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

,

I don't know what to say except I am truely sorry for all the troubles you've

had and are still enduring. I sincerely wish you well and comfort.

I couldn't let your post go by without saying a word. Yet I feel my words are

not sufficient but I mean what I wrote.

God Bless you.

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

Ok let me explain that one since I happen to be one of them. You learn to live

with it I have the entire spine shot and I now go through seizures on top of it

they told my son to many operations were required I had two brain operations

having Arnold Chiari I, 5 of the 7 discs are screwed and rodded, I have tethered

cord thus needing lumbar fusion as they fixed that. I have an acoustic neuroma

which is a small brain tumor on the hearing nerve. You don't get away from the

pain you just endure and eventually that pain is more and more ignored. You get

up everyday you do what you need to do normally trying to do enough to keep you

mind off it. I moderate two groups on top of everything else. Pain medication

doesn't work for me because I have to much going on I have been to many pain

doctors I have been on duregesic and morphine as well as many other medications

to reduce it they try the so called new medication on me. Guess what they don't

help they make me floaty. I have

hypersensitive arms and loss of feeling in legs. I am 51 and I am worse off that

a 80 year old but my life has got to continue going on. My fingers hurt typing

but it is my life and no one is going to jump in and say heck I will cure you

they can't. My one disc in my neck has a hard time holding up my whole head.

Anyone wanting my life is welcome to it. But I have two sons who need me my

husband passed on at 47 ten days after his birthday with yet another rare

disease called a Glioblastoma Multiforme. I could sit here and cry and go poor

me but there is no one who is going to jump in there and hold me and say your

right poor you. I have no family support so is it hard heck yeah. So when I hear

people say we want our lives back well so do I throw in my husband to while your

at it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote: The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit

of pain at one point, but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of

years) things got better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo

things or don't get enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some

medicines. ONe friend said that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just

that it got better with time. the doctors told me that of people who have

herniated discs like me, 80% will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I don't know in the back of my mind or front I keep going I want to walk up

that mountain 3 times a day since it is a 7 mile walk and I used to do it all

the time. I want to be able to think of things correctly and I want the seizures

to go away. I am not stupid although I feel as if I am with this thing. So when

you say you want your life back I can fully understand. Where did my life go???

Hugs

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

Thanks so much and I wish the same for you.

~Barbara~

Tristan Jouvin <tristanjouvin99@...> wrote:

I hope you can achieve that. FOR ME, I have realized that the best thing that I

have done for myself is to adjust my expectations. I no longer have any

expectation to get back to my old life. Due the my back pain, my expectations

have shifted. Now, if I get through a full workday with no or minimal pain, and

then can play with my son in the evening, I am happy. Before, I used to do

sports, competitive tennis, even skiing and snowboarding with falling over etc,

but there is no way that I can do any of those now, and I have gotten used to

it. BUT, my discectomy 15 years ago did allow me to continue these activities

for 10 more years, so I guess that the surgery did give me some more good years,

but now my back has caought up with me!

I hope you get some relief, and can get back to as much as possible.

Barbara wrote:

It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad

off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at least close

to it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

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I understand . I hope you don't mind but I just prayed for you.

I guess our lives haven't gone anywhere they are just different.

I do hope you find some relief and comfort and wish for your seizures to stop.

~Barbara

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

I don't know in the back of my mind or front I keep going I want to walk up

that mountain 3 times a day since it is a 7 mile walk and I used to do it all

the time. I want to be able to think of things correctly and I want the seizures

to go away. I am not stupid although I feel as if I am with this thing. So when

you say you want your life back I can fully understand. Where did my life go???

Hugs

Barbara wrote:

Thanks so much and I wish the same for you.

~Barbara~

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I hope you can achieve that. FOR ME, I have realized that the best thing that I

have done for myself is to adjust my expectations. I no longer have any

expectation to get back to my old life. Due the my back pain, my expectations

have shifted. Now, if I get through a full workday with no or minimal pain, and

then can play with my son in the evening, I am happy. Before, I used to do

sports, competitive tennis, even skiing and snowboarding with falling over etc,

but there is no way that I can do any of those now, and I have gotten used to

it. BUT, my discectomy 15 years ago did allow me to continue these activities

for 10 more years, so I guess that the surgery did give me some more good years,

but now my back has caought up with me!

I hope you get some relief, and can get back to as much as possible.

Barbara wrote:

It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad

off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at least close

to it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

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You are very welcomed. I know how you feel and I have to remember also that we

aren't to lean on our own understanding. I know when I do I can fall deep in

despair. I know it's best to remember His promises but some days it's very hard.

I pray for His light to break through for you.

Barbara

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Barbara God I am so tired of crying already. There is a time

and place for everything God is watching out for me. I am going to get that put

on a shirt for me. So I can look at it and remind myself.

Hugs

Barbara wrote:

,

I don't know what to say except I am truely sorry for all the troubles you've

had and are still enduring. I sincerely wish you well and comfort.

I couldn't let your post go by without saying a word. Yet I feel my words are

not sufficient but I mean what I wrote.

God Bless you.

Buergerhoff wrote:

Ok let me explain that one since I happen to be one of them. You learn to live

with it I have the entire spine shot and I now go through seizures on top of it

they told my son to many operations were required I had two brain operations

having Arnold Chiari I, 5 of the 7 discs are screwed and rodded, I have tethered

cord thus needing lumbar fusion as they fixed that. I have an acoustic neuroma

which is a small brain tumor on the hearing nerve. You don't get away from the

pain you just endure and eventually that pain is more and more ignored. You get

up everyday you do what you need to do normally trying to do enough to keep you

mind off it. I moderate two groups on top of everything else. Pain medication

doesn't work for me because I have to much going on I have been to many pain

doctors I have been on duregesic and morphine as well as many other medications

to reduce it they try the so called new medication on me. Guess what they don't

help they make me floaty. I have

hypersensitive arms and loss of feeling in legs. I am 51 and I am worse off that

a 80 year old but my life has got to continue going on. My fingers hurt typing

but it is my life and no one is going to jump in and say heck I will cure you

they can't. My one disc in my neck has a hard time holding up my whole head.

Anyone wanting my life is welcome to it. But I have two sons who need me my

husband passed on at 47 ten days after his birthday with yet another rare

disease called a Glioblastoma Multiforme. I could sit here and cry and go poor

me but there is no one who is going to jump in there and hold me and say your

right poor you. I have no family support so is it hard heck yeah. So when I hear

people say we want our lives back well so do I throw in my husband to while your

at it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote: The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit

of pain at one point, but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of

years) things got better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo

things or don't get enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some

medicines. ONe friend said that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just

that it got better with time. the doctors told me that of people who have

herniated discs like me, 80% will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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thank you Barbara it is hard as you said I was told that most people would have

climbed under the blanket and stood there. With everything I have endured there

is a reason for everything though isn't it. I might not understand it now but

there is there has got to be.

Hugs

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote:

You are very welcomed. I know how you feel and I have to remember also

that we aren't to lean on our own understanding. I know when I do I can fall

deep in despair. I know it's best to remember His promises but some days it's

very hard. I pray for His light to break through for you.

Barbara

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Barbara God I am so tired of crying already. There is a time

and place for everything God is watching out for me. I am going to get that put

on a shirt for me. So I can look at it and remind myself.

Hugs

Barbara wrote:

,

I don't know what to say except I am truely sorry for all the troubles you've

had and are still enduring. I sincerely wish you well and comfort.

I couldn't let your post go by without saying a word. Yet I feel my words are

not sufficient but I mean what I wrote.

God Bless you.

Buergerhoff wrote:

Ok let me explain that one since I happen to be one of them. You learn to live

with it I have the entire spine shot and I now go through seizures on top of it

they told my son to many operations were required I had two brain operations

having Arnold Chiari I, 5 of the 7 discs are screwed and rodded, I have tethered

cord thus needing lumbar fusion as they fixed that. I have an acoustic neuroma

which is a small brain tumor on the hearing nerve. You don't get away from the

pain you just endure and eventually that pain is more and more ignored. You get

up everyday you do what you need to do normally trying to do enough to keep you

mind off it. I moderate two groups on top of everything else. Pain medication

doesn't work for me because I have to much going on I have been to many pain

doctors I have been on duregesic and morphine as well as many other medications

to reduce it they try the so called new medication on me. Guess what they don't

help they make me floaty. I have

hypersensitive arms and loss of feeling in legs. I am 51 and I am worse off that

a 80 year old but my life has got to continue going on. My fingers hurt typing

but it is my life and no one is going to jump in and say heck I will cure you

they can't. My one disc in my neck has a hard time holding up my whole head.

Anyone wanting my life is welcome to it. But I have two sons who need me my

husband passed on at 47 ten days after his birthday with yet another rare

disease called a Glioblastoma Multiforme. I could sit here and cry and go poor

me but there is no one who is going to jump in there and hold me and say your

right poor you. I have no family support so is it hard heck yeah. So when I hear

people say we want our lives back well so do I throw in my husband to while your

at it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote: The ones I am referring to: most of them had quite a bit

of pain at one point, but they say that eventually (could have taken a couple of

years) things got better and now they just have off and on pain if they overdo

things or don't get enough rest. They did physical therapy, some did some

medicines. ONe friend said that epidurals helped, but who knows if it was just

that it got better with time. the doctors told me that of people who have

herniated discs like me, 80% will get somewhat better over time.

Tristan

Barbara wrote:

Ok, if you don't mind my questions, I have to know, the friends you speak of,

are they in pain and if so, what do they do for it?

And it's good to know that your parents are doing well, good for them, sorry you

aren't doing as well though.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I have friends who have had disc problems for years who have had no surgery, and

they are better off than me now. But I also know people who have had discectomy

in the past (including both of my parents), who are doing very well. so I guess

everyone is different

Barbara wrote: Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically

the ones in pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes

me sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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I appreciate your prayers Barbara. Lost a fiancee that way who I was engaged to

for four years I guess a good thing though found out real fast he was not the

type that would stay with me.

Barbara <barbarac102@...> wrote: I understand . I hope you

don't mind but I just prayed for you.

I guess our lives haven't gone anywhere they are just different.

I do hope you find some relief and comfort and wish for your seizures to stop.

~Barbara

Buergerhoff <forevermylove50@...> wrote:

I don't know in the back of my mind or front I keep going I want to walk up that

mountain 3 times a day since it is a 7 mile walk and I used to do it all the

time. I want to be able to think of things correctly and I want the seizures to

go away. I am not stupid although I feel as if I am with this thing. So when you

say you want your life back I can fully understand. Where did my life go???

Hugs

Barbara wrote:

Thanks so much and I wish the same for you.

~Barbara~

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

I hope you can achieve that. FOR ME, I have realized that the best thing that I

have done for myself is to adjust my expectations. I no longer have any

expectation to get back to my old life. Due the my back pain, my expectations

have shifted. Now, if I get through a full workday with no or minimal pain, and

then can play with my son in the evening, I am happy. Before, I used to do

sports, competitive tennis, even skiing and snowboarding with falling over etc,

but there is no way that I can do any of those now, and I have gotten used to

it. BUT, my discectomy 15 years ago did allow me to continue these activities

for 10 more years, so I guess that the surgery did give me some more good years,

but now my back has caought up with me!

I hope you get some relief, and can get back to as much as possible.

Barbara wrote:

It's a tough decision. I've tried conservative methods and I know I'm not as bad

off as others, I don't want any pain and want my old life back or at least close

to it.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

Yes it was nice to have 10 good years. I was active, including regular sports. I

had aches and pains but they were tolerable. But the past few years have been

miserable. The only surgery options right now are either fusion or artificial

disc. Both are too scary for me to consider right now.

The six months after the surgery were not fun. I was in worse pain overall than

I was before surgery! But I could still work full time through it. It eventually

settled down. I was not good with following proper rehab though.

I had my surgery 6 months after the onset of symptoms. If I was to do it all

over again, I would have avoided or at least delayed that surgery, and would

have given it more time, tried more conservative things, and just put up with

the pain and made some lifestyle changes. If it had still been bad for 3-4

years, then I think that would have been a good time frame to do the discectomy.

But that is just my opinion in hindsight - always 20/20 I guess

Barbara wrote:

Thanks, I'm looking and I realize the people here are basically the ones in

pain, but unfortunately reading how many have had a hard time makes me

sympathetic to them but also scared for myself.

Ten good years sounds pretty sucessful to me, can you have another surgery now

for the worn disk?

How bad was the 6 month recuperation time?

It is now 16 months since I hurt myself. It was worse but I am never without any

type of pain.

I was doing pretty great from just the chiropractor but the last 2 weeks I've

not been as well and am very frustrated. I don't want to live this way. I'm an

outdoors person, relatively young and always loved exercise, probably too much.

I just hope I find a good solution.

Thanks again.

Tristan Jouvin wrote:

The sites are often created by or run by either surgeons who do the procedures,

or from the companies who make the special devices to do them, so there is an

ulterior motive....

There are people who have successful surgeries, the thing is that most of them

are feeling good so they don't have to be on these internet groups! Most of us

are on the groups because we have pain.

I had a regular type of discectomy, which was temporarily a success. Meaning,

that after a difficult 6 month period after the surgery, things settled down and

I did'nt have pain for about 10 years. But since then (meaning from the 10 year

point to now which is 15 years post surgery), I have had bad pain due to severe

wearing out of that disc. So, even though I had 10 good years, I now don't know

if the surgery was worth it in the long run. although, how do I know what I

would have been like if I had'nt done the surgery. It is a difficult decision to

decide whether or not to do it. I would advise to look into all options

carefully.

barbarac102 wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The sites always make it sound like it's the greatest thing. I would

love to hear from someone who had it or knows someone who had but

then again I'd love to hear from someone who had any sucessful back

surgeries. I mostly see horror stories, I would think there has to

be people who have benefited from them.

Thanks to any replies.

> OK, Has anyone had this or know anything about this? It

is suppose to

> be non invasive. Anyone? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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