Re: Re: JAMA reports MD's may be the leading cause of death in US

[Guest guest]

At 04:40 PM 05/16/2004, illostraight wrote:

>Please read this, Bob.

>It may shed a little more light on this subject for you.

I think it would be better to present your " evidence " and leave out your

assumptions on their potential benefit. What makes you think I haven't

read Null's article?

Have you read the original JAMA article and the associated letters of comment?

How many of the numbers that are in the article are predictions using

predictions as data to make the second prediction? Read the original

article you will get a much better understanding of what it really says and

where the numbers come from. The same criticisms apply as before.....What

is the denominator? What and who are included in the reporting of

deaths? What is considered a adverse event? Post some answers to those

questions and then we can talk.

REalize that I am not saying that there are not mistakes made in the

hospital setting. Wherever and whenever you have humans involved mistakes

will be made. What I am saying is that the articles that have been posted

have no perspective to them. You have no idea of how many prescriptions

are written and how many result in adverse events. You have no idea of

what is being considered and adverse event. You have no idea of what

deaths are included in the analysis. I hope you are getting the picture

that a numerator without a denominator is meaningless.

regards,

BobK

regards,

BobK

[Guest guest]

What does pharmaceutical sound like? Why don't you address the points I

brought up?

regards,

BobK

At 06:42 AM 05/17/2004, illostraight wrote:

>I am curious, what is your background? It sounds

>pharmaceutical.

>

>chris

>

>

> > >Please read this, Bob.

> > >It may shed a little more light on this subject for you.

> >

> >

> > I think it would be better to present your " evidence " and leave

>out your

> > assumptions on their potential benefit. What makes you think I

>haven't

> > read Null's article?

> >

> > Have you read the original JAMA article and the associated

>letters of comment?

> >

> > How many of the numbers that are in the article are predictions

>using

> > predictions as data to make the second prediction? Read the

>original

> > article you will get a much better understanding of what it really

>says and

> > where the numbers come from. The same criticisms apply as

>before.....What

> > is the denominator? What and who are included in the

>reporting of

> > deaths? What is considered a adverse event? Post some

>answers to those

> > questions and then we can talk.

> >

> > REalize that I am not saying that there are not mistakes made

>in the

> > hospital setting. Wherever and whenever you have humans

>involved mistakes

> > will be made. What I am saying is that the articles that have

>been posted

> > have no perspective to them. You have no idea of how many

>prescriptions

> > are written and how many result in adverse events. You have

>no idea of

> > what is being considered and adverse event. You have no

>idea of what

> > deaths are included in the analysis. I hope you are getting the

>picture

> > that a numerator without a denominator is meaningless.

> >

> > regards,

> > BobK

> >

> > regards,

> > BobK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is quite obvious that you have not read the original article nor were you able to discern that Null's article is making predictions of deaths using predictions as data....that is not concrete evidence in any way shape or form.

Why would I bother wasting my time with Null? If you want to discuss a topic bring the research or at least reply to the questions I posed about the issues. Instead you try to deduce that I somehow have pharmaceutical ties simply because I am not a blind follower and ask questions which you seem unable or unwilling to answer or address.

Hospitals have monthly mortality and morbitiy meetings to review the deaths that occurred. The results of these meetings are public knowledge all you have to do is know where to find the information and have a willingness to seek out this information. Your post is filled with unsubstantiated anecdotes and as for your question of how many people are taking medicine and not missing work I would venture that it is a very large number.

What would it matter if I had HCV or not? What does pharmaceutical sound like? A numerator without the denominator is meaningless data.

regards,

BobK