Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Hi Mark - As you know, I've been taking the Microhydrin for over a year. I still think the product is good (both Microhydrin and MegaH); however, since I have moved on to a better product (SuperBlend at liverfriend.com), strictly geared to liver health, and am getting broker and broker, I am finally going to give it up. I do want to say that if my pocketbook could stand it, I would continue to use it. How have your labs been? Love & Blessings, Karolyn > Hi All, > > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate? > > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$. > > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things. > > any words on this stuff? > > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested. Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor. Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc. andy In an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published: Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document] K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document] This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such " evidence " as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk. Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallow I look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The " purple prose " identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy® the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it " The Most Biologically Active Water in The World " , according to Dr. Flanagan. An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more " biologically active " water! When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water - -- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com) This " clumping " (which chemists call " hydrogen bonding " is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules " inactive " . Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not " carried " by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly. Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure. Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products. It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a " catalyst " . Any chemical substance that is capable of " altering.. molecular structure " of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink! Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an " electric double layer " of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized. When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter. Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent! Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza. 2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this. Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements. More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical " zeta potential " has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype. The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter! So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis. [http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm] In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as " hydrophobic hydration " .1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3 Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong! 1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it. 2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body! 3 Whoever wrote this gets an " F " in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases! Microhydrin and Megahydrin These are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of " silicon hydride " . It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the " generic " silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine. Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean " may " ? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway. Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here] 1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body. 2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens. 3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them. Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site] Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that " higher " conductivity is desirable is silly. When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body. 1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this? 2 The " redox potential of the body " is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal. Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe " double-blind placebo " studies of various kinds, purporting to measure " cellular hydration " by means of the same " RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer " that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, " urine alkenal/creatinine ratios " and " mitochondrial .. membrane potentials. " Other studies reveal that " Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical. " All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. Lower Dept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser University Burnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canada lower@... Last modified: 11.1.2003 > Hi All, > > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate? > > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$. > > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things. > > any words on this stuff? > > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 andy, thanks I am dumping both. Mark [ ] Re: Flantech.com Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested.Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor.Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc.andyIn an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published:Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document]K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document]This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such "evidence" as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk.Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallowI look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The "purple prose" identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy®the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it "The Most Biologically Active Water in The World", according to Dr. Flanagan.An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more "biologically active" water!When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water --- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com)This "clumping" (which chemists call "hydrogen bonding" is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules "inactive". Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not "carried" by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly.Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure.Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products.It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a "catalyst". Any chemical substance that is capable of "altering.. molecular structure" of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink!Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an "electric double layer" of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized.When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter.Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent!Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza.2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this.Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements.More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical "zeta potential" has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype.The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter!So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis.[http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm]In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as "hydrophobic hydration".1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong!1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it.2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body!3 Whoever wrote this gets an "F" in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases!Microhydrin and MegahydrinThese are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of "silicon hydride". It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the "generic" silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine.Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean "may"? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway.Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here]1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body.2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens.3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them.Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site]Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that "higher" conductivity is desirable is silly.When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body.1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this?2 The "redox potential of the body" is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal.Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe "double-blind placebo" studies of various kinds, purporting to measure "cellular hydration" by means of the same "RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer" that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, "urine alkenal/creatinine ratios" and "mitochondrial .. membrane potentials." Other studies reveal that "Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical." All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. LowerDept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser UniversityBurnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canadalower@...Last modified: 11.1.2003> Hi All,> > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?> > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$.> > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.> > any words on this stuff?> > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Hi Mark, I'm still on the MAP, Superhydrate, Megahydrin, VitaSynergy for Women, and I have one unopened Pure Synergy, which I've not, as of yet, tried (I've been taking Organic Greens). I don't know, I'm feeling pretty good on it, and as you may know, since being on this protocol since the end of December, my viral load has dropped to new lows of 41,000 and now 21,000; and my liver enzymes are normal (I also take Dr. Zhang's protocol, Olive Leaf Caps and the Ravensara Oil (topically)/Colostrum). I feel the Acupuncture I've been getting every 2-3 weeks is helping greatly also....How have you been feeling since going on the protocol? Do you still take the Nature's Way products also? What have you been up to? Haven't seen you around much.......Blessings, Satya [ ] Flantech.com Hi All,anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or am I just wasting $$$$$.I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.any words on this stuff?Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I don't see how you'd go wrong taking extra anti-oxidants. Flanagans products, as far as I know, are not specifically aimed at those with Hep C--they're basically touted as products aimed at producing optimum health, not as a cure for anything. And I'm not interested in a debate. I've got better things to do. Just commenting on products I like and take for my own health maintenance. In health, Satya [ ] Re: Flantech.com Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested.Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor.Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc.andyIn an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published:Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document]K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document]This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such "evidence" as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk.Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallowI look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The "purple prose" identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy®the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it "The Most Biologically Active Water in The World", according to Dr. Flanagan.An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more "biologically active" water!When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water --- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com)This "clumping" (which chemists call "hydrogen bonding" is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules "inactive". Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not "carried" by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly.Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure.Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products.It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a "catalyst". Any chemical substance that is capable of "altering.. molecular structure" of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink!Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an "electric double layer" of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized.When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter.Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent!Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza.2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this.Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements.More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical "zeta potential" has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype.The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter!So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis.[http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm]In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as "hydrophobic hydration".1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong!1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it.2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body!3 Whoever wrote this gets an "F" in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases!Microhydrin and MegahydrinThese are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of "silicon hydride". It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the "generic" silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine.Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean "may"? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway.Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here]1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body.2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens.3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them.Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site]Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that "higher" conductivity is desirable is silly.When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body.1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this?2 The "redox potential of the body" is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal.Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe "double-blind placebo" studies of various kinds, purporting to measure "cellular hydration" by means of the same "RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer" that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, "urine alkenal/creatinine ratios" and "mitochondrial .. membrane potentials." Other studies reveal that "Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical." All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. LowerDept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser UniversityBurnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canadalower@...Last modified: 11.1.2003> Hi All,> > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?> > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$.> > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.> > any words on this stuff?> > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I thought you were one to do your own homework, Mark. If you are influenced that easily, then possibly you should be treated with something more traditional, where the docs take responsibility for your health. Then you will be assured to get "medicine" that has been studied. Good luck and blessings, Satya [ ] Re: Flantech.com Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested.Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor.Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc.andyIn an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published:Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document]K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document]This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such "evidence" as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk.Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallowI look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The "purple prose" identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy®the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it "The Most Biologically Active Water in The World", according to Dr. Flanagan.An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more "biologically active" water!When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water --- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com)This "clumping" (which chemists call "hydrogen bonding" is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules "inactive". Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not "carried" by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly.Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure.Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products.It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a "catalyst". Any chemical substance that is capable of "altering.. molecular structure" of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink!Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an "electric double layer" of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized.When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter.Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent!Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza.2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this.Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements.More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical "zeta potential" has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype.The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter!So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis.[http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm]In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as "hydrophobic hydration".1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong!1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it.2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body!3 Whoever wrote this gets an "F" in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases!Microhydrin and MegahydrinThese are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of "silicon hydride". It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the "generic" silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine.Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean "may"? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway.Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here]1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body.2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens.3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them.Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site]Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that "higher" conductivity is desirable is silly.When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body.1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this?2 The "redox potential of the body" is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal.Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe "double-blind placebo" studies of various kinds, purporting to measure "cellular hydration" by means of the same "RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer" that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, "urine alkenal/creatinine ratios" and "mitochondrial .. membrane potentials." Other studies reveal that "Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical." All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. LowerDept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser UniversityBurnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canadalower@...Last modified: 11.1.2003> Hi All,> > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?> > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$.> > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.> > any words on this stuff?> > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Satya, Doing good still taking Jeanne's protocol minus the Mega H and the super hydrate and added. *Certified Organic Hep Support with Astragalus and Maitake (formerly Hep C), Extra Strength, Gaia Herbs, 60 Liquid Vegie Caps Liver Health, Extra Strength, Gaia Herbs, 60 Liquid Vegie Caps Vitamin E (100% Natural Dry), Source Naturals, 400 IU, 250 Tabs. Vitamin C (100% Natural Dry), Source Naturals, Mark [ ] Flantech.com Hi All,anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or am I just wasting $$$$$.I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.any words on this stuff?Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Satya, Andy is right. there are NO doc's on flantech stuff. Plus I get very bad headaches from the Mega H; so bad that I have to pop aspirin all some to keep them under control. Mark. [ ] Re: Flantech.com Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested.Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor.Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc.andyIn an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published:Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document]K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document]This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such "evidence" as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk.Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallowI look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The "purple prose" identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy®the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it "The Most Biologically Active Water in The World", according to Dr. Flanagan.An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more "biologically active" water!When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water --- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com)This "clumping" (which chemists call "hydrogen bonding" is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules "inactive". Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not "carried" by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly.Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure.Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products.It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a "catalyst". Any chemical substance that is capable of "altering.. molecular structure" of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink!Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an "electric double layer" of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized.When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter.Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent!Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza.2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this.Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements.More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical "zeta potential" has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype.The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter!So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis.[http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm]In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as "hydrophobic hydration".1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong!1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it.2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body!3 Whoever wrote this gets an "F" in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases!Microhydrin and MegahydrinThese are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of "silicon hydride". It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the "generic" silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine.Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean "may"? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway.Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here]1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body.2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens.3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them.Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site]Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that "higher" conductivity is desirable is silly.When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body.1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this?2 The "redox potential of the body" is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal.Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe "double-blind placebo" studies of various kinds, purporting to measure "cellular hydration" by means of the same "RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer" that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, "urine alkenal/creatinine ratios" and "mitochondrial .. membrane potentials." Other studies reveal that "Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical." All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. LowerDept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser UniversityBurnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canadalower@...Last modified: 11.1.2003> Hi All,> > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?> > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$.> > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.> > any words on this stuff?> > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Good for you, Mark. Glad to see your still part of this group. How are you feeling these days? My mom has had a really bad week. Can't sleep--week, urinating all the time... D [ ] Flantech.com Hi All,anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or am I just wasting $$$$$.I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.any words on this stuff?Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Hi Mark, I just saw your revised protocol. Looks real good. And I'm glad you're doing well. We all have to do what we have to do and follow our gut. love and blessings, Satya [ ] Re: Flantech.com Here it is Mark, take what you want, but Flanagan does not have a medical degree or a Ph.D.. He bought these degrees from a diploma mill. He was never mentioned in life magazine or has he ever patented a ICBM launcher. I have some water for sale, if you are interested.Those who prey upon those who are desperate for a cure for their hepatitis c, will find this is not a profitable endeavor.Still waiting for a summons to appear from the class action law suit filed against me by Dr Jeanie de Arc.andyIn an attempt to build an image of scientific respectability, the Flanagan people have managed to get a few scientific studies published:Cory Stephanson, B.S., Anne Stephanson, B.A., and G. Flanagan, M.D., Ph. D: Antioxidant capability and efficacy of Mega-H Silica Hydride, an antioxidant dietary supplement, by in vitro cellular analysis using photosensitization and fluorescence detection. J. Medicinal Food 5(1) 2002 pg. 9 [download PDF document]K. Lloyd, M.S., W. Wasmund, M.S., Leonard , M.D., and B. Raven, Ph.D: Clinical effects of a dietary antioxidant silicate supplement, Microhydrin®, on cardiovascular response to exercise. J. Medicinal Food 4(3) 2001 The Journal of Nutritional Food seems to be a favorite place to publish stuff whose authors place degrees after their names (by the way, when did Flanagan get his Ph. D, and where?). The second article, whose senior author has a Ph.D. in physical education and who appears to be the only legitimate faculty researcher cited in any of the references, reports a double-blind study of six subjects in which reduced blood lactate concentrations were observed following 40-km simulated bicycling trials. I'll leave it to those more knowledgable about physiology than me to evaluate these papers. Cory Stephanson, C. Duffy, Anne Stephanson, G. Flanagan: Evidence of stable hydrides in an aqueous environment using modern analytical techniques. (Download PDF document]This paper, purporting to be from the U. of Minnessota Chemistry Dept (where none of the authors is listed in the faculty directory), was, according to a reference in another Flanagan publication, submitted to the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but as of January 2003 it has not been published, and I very much doubt that a journal of this quality would accept such "evidence" as is reported here. Other chemists can draw their own conclusions, but I think it is bunk.Some Flanagan Fantasy that you might find hard to swallowI look here at the claims for two products: Crystal Energy® (immediately below) and MicroHydrin® - Macrohydrin®. The text in the left column is quoted verbatim as it was found on one of the sales sites in late 2001. The "purple prose" identifies portions of these claims that I consider wrong, misleading, or nonsensical. Crystal Energy®the blarney the science When Crystal Energy is added to water it makes it "The Most Biologically Active Water in The World", according to Dr. Flanagan.An utterly meaningless statement. A solution of sodium cyanide would be an even more "biologically active" water!When Crystal Energy made with Flanagan Microclusters added to water --- water molecules which are clumped together and inactive become separate and active and charged so they can easily pass through a cell wall carrying nutrients, removing wastes and rehydrating the cell itself. (usvitamin.com)This "clumping" (which chemists call "hydrogen bonding" is weak and transient, and in no way renders the H2O molecules "inactive". Passage of these molecules through cell membranes is well understood and requires no help from patent nostrums. And contrary to the implication here, nutrients and wastes are not "carried" by water, but by special trans-membrane processes that involve water only indirectly.Crystal Energy is a catalytic liquid which, when added to other liquids, enhances their solvency power by altering their molecular structure.Use Crystal Energy concentrate... in all drinking water... in other beverages, especially juice and tea.... to rinse vegetables and fruits... to cut cooking time of many foods... on cut flowers to maintain their freshness... to mist house plants... to catalyze your bath or spa water... to wet your toothbrush, add to your favorite mouthwash... to prevent nicks while shaving...mixed with your shampoo and other hair care products.It is highly unlikely that any chemist would consider this a "catalyst". Any chemical substance that is capable of "altering.. molecular structure" of a liquid must be pretty powerfull stuff— not something I would want to drink!Cut cooking time of foods? Prevent nicks while shaving? C'mon... is there any evidence for any of this? Microcluster® minerals are unique in that they have a very high electrical charge (zeta potential) and are small enough to be easily utilized. The charge on ordinary colloidal minerals is not very high or very stable, so ordinary low energy colloidal minerals have little or no effect on the structure of water. Colloids that are found in dead sea beds and mineral clays are devoid of zeta potential and are too large to be used by the living system. Zeta Potential represents a basic Law of Nature. It plays a vital role in all forms of plant and animal life. It is the force that maintains the discreetness of the billions of circulating cells that nourish the organism. First, some definitions: colloids are small particles (such as the butterfat droplets in milk) which tend to be surrounded by an "electric double layer" of adsorbed molecules or ions. The zeta potential refers to the electrical properties of this layer which, by causing like-charged particles to repel each other, keeps them from settling out. So far, so good. What is bunk, however, is the implication that minerals and nutrients are taken up in colloidal form, of that the local water structure (which is altered near any charged particle) is of any significance. Contrary to what they say, colloidal minerals are too large to be utilizized.When Flanagan Microclusters® are diluted for drinking, they have such powerful surface energies that the resulting drop in surface tension is remarkable. In distilled water, the immediate drop is between 55 to 65 dynes per centimeter.Surface tension is a measure of the tendency of liquids to form drops, as opposed to spreading out on a surface. The unusually high surface tension of water (72 dynes/cm at 25°C) reflects the relatively strong attractive forces between H2O molecules. Almost anything you dissolve in water will reduce its surface tension, so all these numbers tell us is that the Flanagan concentrate actually does add something to the water. If you want a still lower surface tension, you can always add a detergent!Hunza water1 has a surface tension of 68, this means that water treated with Crystal Energy® concentrate has an even lower surface tension and a greater Zeta Potential2. 1 The people of the Hunza Valley in Northern Pakistan are said to enjoy extradorinarily long lifetimes, so anything connected with them— their food, water, or maybe even the air they breathe— is taken as endorsement of hundreds of alternative health Web sites. Apparently, however, this is mostly myth. See this informative article on the Hunza.2 Nonsense! All this means is that the Flanagan water is more impure. Zeta potential has nothing to do with this.Assimilation of nutrients and vitamins from our foods is largely dependent on our body's ability to wet and process nutrients in the digestive system. The ability to wet foods depends on the zeta potential and surface tension of our digestive fluids. Crystal Energy® concentrate can help you to get the most from your food and vitamin supplements.More Flanagan blarney. The only foods components that are not already been wetted by the time they have been swallowed are fats, and these are processed in the intestine after having been emulsified by the detergent-like action of the bile. Again, the magical "zeta potential" has nothing to do with this. The idea that anyone in normal health requires a supplement of this kind in order to digest food properly is errant nonsense and pure commercial hype.The University of Minnesota examined the colloids present in Crystal Energy® concentrate with an Electron Microscope. These tests revealed that Flanagan Microcluster colloids are spherical in shape and average about 5 nanometers in diameter. This means that each particle is about 12 atoms in diameter!So what? Your cells will only take up the mineral elements it needs on an atom-by-atom (one ion at a time) basis.[http://www.mind.net/aware/colloid.htm]In water, minute cluster colloids exhibit a property known as "hydrophobic hydration".1 This occurs as water molecules form cage like structures around suspended particles. The resemble various ployhedrea, the smallest being the dodecaheron. Interestingly, the tetrahedron, of which structure the single water molecule has, is a root shape of which all the other symmetrical solids can be unfolded out of. These cage structures contain the hydrophobic particles within, thereby ordering water so much that Gibbs Free Energy, G, is increased significantly.2 Free energy represents the amount of energy available in a system to do work. J. willard Gibbs developed the formula for free energy, used extensively in Chemistry: G = U ù TS + pV, where U represents internal energy of heat content, S is entropy, T is time, p is pressure and V is volume.3Well, they have this half-right, which also means half-wrong!1 All small non-polar molcules show this effect; I don't know whether it occurs with colloids, but I doubt it.2 The fact that G increases is the reason that these substances are not very soluble in the first place; this hardly seems like an efficient way to get mineral ions into the body!3 Whoever wrote this gets an "F" in thermodynamics. T is the temperature, not the time, stupid! And the pV part applies only to gases!Microhydrin and MegahydrinThese are supposed to be anti-oxidants and free-redical fighters that protect the body by supplying electrons to wherever they are needed. The only problem is that they claim to contain free hydride ions in the form of "silicon hydride". It's a long time since I studied inorganic chemistry, but as I recall, silicon does not form a true hydride (that is, one that contains the hydride ion, as is found in sodium hydride)-- and if it did, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, since hydride ions decompose water, yielding hydrogen gas (the ultimate explosive burp!) and hydroxide ion, which dissolves flesh. So maybe they mean the "generic" silicon hydride, SiH4, whose common name is silane. But silane is a reactive, poisonous gas— hardly something they could get into their microclustered colloidal solids, even if they would want to. I'm a great believer in antioxidants and radical-scavengers myself, but prefer them in forms such as vitamin C, vitamin E, and red wine.Flanagan Text Comment Increases cellular hydration; may decrease water's surface tension, enabling more water, and the nutrients dissolved in water, to enter cells and become available for use by the body. What do they mean "may"? It either does or it does not. No matter, surface tension has nothing to do with passage of water into cells anyway.Microhydrin is a mineral (silica, potassium, magnesium) formed into extremely small negatively charged colloids (nanocolloids) that have been saturated with hydrogen.1 ... Its function is to provide literally trillions of hydrogen anions2 capable of donating electrons into body fluids. Electrons ...are abundantly available in organically grown raw vegetables, fruits, and grains, but are deficient in our modern diet of over-cooked, acidic, or highly oxidized foods, beverages, and drinking water.3 [link here]1 Hydrogen gas is only slighly soluble in most substances that you would want to take into your body.2 How H2 gets changed into H— ions is not explained, and I don't believe it happens.3 The implication that organic foods are less acidic or more oxidized is unfounded, as is the idea that a reducing agent (electron source) can restore or improve them.Microhydrin is the most potent free radical fighter available anywhere today. It allows our internal environment to maintain a higher level of electrical conductivity, which is critical for healthy cell functioning. [from the Microhydrin site]Electrical conductivity is important only in the indirect sense that it depends on the ionic strength (charge concentrations) of intracellular fluids, which must be maintained within rather narrow limits by various transport processes. The implication that "higher" conductivity is desirable is silly.When Microhydrin comes in contact with stomach fluids, the formulation time-releases negatively charged hydrogen ions.1 These ions cause a reduction in oxidation potential (Redox) in the body2, helping to create an internal environment that simultaneously promotes healthy cell growth and function, and discourages the proliferation of undesirable organisms, which prefer more acidic (less alkaline) conditions3 inside the body.1 These are called hydride ions H–. Any release of such ions would decompose water into hydrogen gas (H2) and hydroxide ions (OH–); it would be equivalent to introducing lye into your body. Do you really want this?2 The "redox potential of the body" is not a definable quantity, since it varies greatly from place to place. In any event, it is the net result of many competing processes, and any significant change in its value would seriously disrupt most metabolic processes. 3 The pH of intercellular and intracellular fluids is similarly controlled to within quite narrow limits. Any significant change in blood pH would be fatal.Some scientific-sounding research reports on Microhydrin describe "double-blind placebo" studies of various kinds, purporting to measure "cellular hydration" by means of the same "RJL Bioelectrical Impedance Analyzer" that is apparently unknown to conventional physiologists but seems to be the mainstay of the alternative wellness marketers, including CellCore. These abstracts also discuss studies on the effects of Microhydrin on the electrical conductivity of blood, saliva and urine, "urine alkenal/creatinine ratios" and "mitochondrial .. membrane potentials." Other studies reveal that "Microhydrin® can inhibit the superoxide-mediated reduction of cytochrome c, indicating that it can scavenge the superoxide free radical." All doubtless very impressive, and easily duplicated by any number of other mild reducing agents such as Vitamin C. K. LowerDept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser UniversityBurnaby BC V5A 1B6, Canadalower@...Last modified: 11.1.2003> Hi All,> > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?> > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$.> > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.> > any words on this stuff?> > Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 D, doing pertty good. I have my good and bad days. all I need to do is eat right and stop smoking, it's a hard thing to kick. Mark [ ] Flantech.com Hi All,anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate?I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or am I just wasting $$$$$.I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things.any words on this stuff?Mark Chiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Hi Mark - Smoking is like any other addiction. You have to want to quit more than you want to keep it going. Both the physical and the mental addiction have to be addressed. I couldn't quit until I was in a good mental space. You can't have total health while still smoking. This is no game, Mark. Love & Blessings, Karolyn > D, > doing pertty good. > I have my good and bad days. > all I need to do is eat right and stop smoking, it's a hard thing to kick. > Mark > [ ] Flantech.com > > > Hi All, > > anyone taking this Mega H and Super Hydrate? > > I been taking it for over 9 months now. Dose it really do anything or > am I just wasting $$$$$. > > I take the Synergy stuff MAP, and a few other things. > > any words on this stuff? > > Mark Chiocchi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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