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Bills joint and muscle pain plus his ra factor sounds very similar to myself. this is how i've got that part under control. I started out being treated for RA before they found out I have hep. prednisone will help the joint pain but it's not good for you long term. your skin gets real thin and it breaks down your muscles. it is also an immuno-suppressant.i started out over a year ago taking 30 to40 mgs. aday.i'm now down to about 5mgs every other day. i know it's not good to take but i had no choice as i was unable to do anything including sleep. i hurt so bad i couldn't lay in one position over 10 min. at a time. I have been taking Enbrel for 6 months . it's for arth. i've been to mayo clinic so i guess as far as drs. go their about the best. Liver specialist said to get the joint thing under contol then treat the hep. enbrel is very expensive it took over 2 months to get ins. to approve and about 6 weeks on a waiting list to get the stuff. This is what I.ve done on my own and right now i feel great and my local doc agrees that i may not need the peg tx. I started on a Sat. morning I drank 1 qt of water every half hour for 4 hours. i did this for 4 consecutive sats.. I stopped eat meat of any kind no chicken no fish nothing fried . i drink 1 to 11/2 gals. of water per day. I take milk thistle, Vit E, a multi vit. vit C 3 times a day, alpha lipoic acid, garlic, b complex, I.ve recently started taking bovine colostrum and sam-e. drink lots of green tea. I take some other herbs that I'll tell you about later. You have to be careful of whay you take as far as boosting your immune sys. or the joint pain gets worse. I 've been told and believe from personal experience that the joint pain is all an auto immune problem,[ hence the elevated rf# s] if bill is anyting like i was I feel for him, the milk thistle, and ala will help protect the liver until he is able to fight the hep. I don't think there are many that have the kind of pain that he and i have experienced. I'm not to good at writing or typing if this doesn't make a lot of sense e-mail me at Pumpboz @ aol.com I'll give you my phone # and we'll talk. another thing i know the low iron makes you feel bad but it's better to be low than high with hep iron is associated with developing cancer in the liver. I'm no expert but I know what my own experience has been. and I know from trial and error that a lot of the info you get hurts more than it helps. good luck Pumpboz

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You guys, this joint pain is not an auto-immune disorder...it is the result of an incredibly acidic, dehydrated body.

If you take immuno suppressants, how will your immune system help you fight HCV?

If you are taking colostrum, you are countering it with the immuno supressent. If you will take colustrum, MSM, and Active H- you will correct the condition creating the joint pain, and it will go away. ( I double dog dare ya to prove me wrong! )

I had fibromayalgia most of my life, and intense pain the last two years of my illness. The docs wanted me on Celebrex and Vioxx, even knowing I had liver disease.

When my body balanced, and became hydrated the joint pain went away with every other symptom.... Kicking the codiene was another matter.

Also, as for iron, if you are taking Active H_ yit is encapsulating teh iron nutrient in a chylomicron, carrying past your live, preventing too much iron, or anything else in the liver.

Also, cancer is simply a cell lacking hydrogen....what would happen oif it was surrounded by fully hydrated cells, where would it go? If a cell is fully nourished and hydrated, how can it develope cancer? If the DNA is in constant repair, how can it be vulnerable?

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

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I've already proved you wrong. if you had the kind of pain i'm talking about most of your life your life would have been pretty short. as far as suppressing your immune system in my case and maybe Bills too your immune system is fighting to hard. I know what fibromyalgia is and what I've had is not fibromyalgia.It may be hard for you to believe but there are people that may have something that you haven't. I take some of the same things you take and I know what works for me. Most of the things that are supposed to cure everything don't do anything.I think you'll have a hard time convincing me or anyone else that active h is a cure all.It may be great for somethings but nothing works for everything. I've taken immuno suppressors for over a year and have constantly improved as far as blood test, viral load etc. etc. Even my doc.[you know the one that's in that big conspiracy said he didn't think the peg tx. are going to be necessary] The hep virus isn't trying to kill you its only trying to survive sometimes fighting too hard just makes it fight back and replicate faster.When I first started prednisone my viral load went up the first month and steadily dropped until i started colostrum it went up again . I go for test next week and I'm sure it has dropped again. I can tell by the way I feel. 18 months ago I couldn't even hold an ink pen now I work 8 to 12 hours aday as a mechanic on heavy equipment. If this doesn't prove anything to you I can elaborate further. Pumpboz

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The way your DNA is vulnerable is the hep virus surrounds itself with proteins that your cells think they need ..It knocks on the door says "let me in" the cell not only lets it in but once in since it has already used your DNA it "thinks" it should make a lot more so it actually helps the virus to replicate

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Pump,

First off, Prednizone will kill you if you take it for long periods, and at best destroy your bioterrian when used for short periods. My uncle died from predizone damage, after it robbed him of his lifestyle, appearance and simple abilities.

Second. I'm 40 and I had FM for about 20 years, so we were intimate. Ya, its been a short life, compared to the 70 or so years I have left, barring a run in with a Mac truck. After all, the cell is immortal. Provide it with adequate life force, and its amazing what it can do.

If you understood what happens when you correct your bioterrain, you wouldn't even be discussing the idea of autoimmune diseases. Even the idea of autoimmune disease suggests the bioterain is outa wack.

When your bioterrain is balanced, alkaline, and electron rich, no disfunction can take place. Ya, that virus is just trying to live, to thrive. But you can take away its home, which it created the second it arrived, remodeling, sending out chemical signals instructing your body to acidify. You can remove the acidic environment it needs to thrive, and it will have no place in your body to live.

Restore your bioterrian and you will address the cause of the pain. Restore your bioterrain, and every disease will be addressed and corrected.

Active H- is not a cure all.

A healthy bioterrain is.

You cannot acheive a healthy bioterrain while taking Pharmaceuticals as they cause the body to work agianst its natural healing function.

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

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>Return-Path: sentto-2436732-3171-1035256778-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 03:20:09.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED5612C0:01C27979] > >I've already proved you wrong. if you had the kind of pain i'm talking about >most of your life your life would have been pretty short. as far as >suppressing your immune system in my case and maybe Bills too your immune >system is fighting to hard. I know what fibromyalgia is and what I've had is >not fibromyalgia.It may be hard for you to believe but there are people that >may have something that you haven't. I take some of the same things you take >and I know what works for me. Most of the things that are supposed to cure >everything don't do anything.I think you'll have a hard time convincing me or >anyone else that active h is a cure all.It may be great for somethings but >nothing works for everything. I've taken immuno suppressors for over a year >and have constantly improved as far as blood test, viral load etc. etc. Even >my doc.[you know the one that's in that big conspiracy said he didn't think >the peg tx. are going to be necessary] The hep virus isn't trying to kill you >its only trying to survive sometimes fighting too hard just makes it fight >back and replicate faster.When I first started prednisone my viral load went >up the first month and steadily dropped until i started colostrum it went up >again . I go for test next week and I'm sure it has dropped again. I can tell >by the way I feel. 18 months ago I couldn't even hold an ink pen now I work 8 >to 12 hours aday as a mechanic on heavy equipment. If this doesn't prove >anything to you I can elaborate further. Pumpboz Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online

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Pumpboz said:

>The way your DNA is vulnerable is the hep virus surrounds itself with

>proteins that your cells think they need ..It knocks on the door says "let me

>in" the cell not only lets it in but once in since it has already used your

>DNA it "thinks" it should make a lot more so it actually helps the virus to

>replicate

"Acceptance of the theory of contagion is contingent upon the germ theory of disease---that specific bacteria and "viruses" produce specific disease symptoms. This theory has been repeatedly demonstrated as incorrect in the scientific field, and was even admitted by Pasteur as incorrect. Nevertheless, the germ theory and the belief of contagion is difficult to overcome since almost everyones mind has similarly been "infected" by exploitive "health care" industries that have a vested interest in disease and suffering and in perpetuating such erroneous beliefs. Basically the populace believes what the medical establishment wants it to. These false theories maintain demand for drugs, medical and hospital practices, and they are the only ones that teach that health is recovered by administrating poisonous drugs. If germs play any role in the causation of disease, it is never a primary one but is always secondary to those causes that lower our resistance or impair health. (A.Baker, M.A.)

NO pathogen can live in an electron rich environment.

When you restore the hydrogen bonds to your DNA you're restoring the electrical function, creating a whole, healthy DNA strand again. If the electrical communication of a cell is healthy, perfect, then malfunctions like creating the wrong proteins cannot take place...instructions from virus cannot take place....its like trying to talk underwater, or through a brick wall....no other cell will listen, they can't hear it, or react to it, its not on the same wavelength. If your cells are functioning properly, they will not respond to "lower" life forms like pathogens.

If you have an electron rich bioterrian, the virus cannot live in you, or function in any capacity.

We do not focus on the virus, but the environment in which it lives.

NO pathogen can live in an electron rich environment.....

Peace, Jeanine

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Hey Jeanine, This is perfect. Hey, Pumpboz, does this mean the

wedding is off? I also, double dog dare ya. Give it a try man...

what ya got to lose? Come-on, stop being a stiff-neck. Margie.

Re: [ ] Looking for help and insite...

You guys, this joint pain is not an auto-immune disorder...it is the result of an incredibly acidic, dehydrated body.

If you take immuno suppressants, how will your immune system help you fight HCV?

If you are taking colostrum, you are countering it with the immuno supressent. If you will take colustrum, MSM, and Active H- you will correct the condition creating the joint pain, and it will go away. ( I double dog dare ya to prove me wrong! )

I had fibromayalgia most of my life, and intense pain the last two years of my illness. The docs wanted me on Celebrex and Vioxx, even knowing I had liver disease.

When my body balanced, and became hydrated the joint pain went away with every other symptom.... Kicking the codiene was another matter.

Also, as for iron, if you are taking Active H_ yit is encapsulating teh iron nutrient in a chylomicron, carrying past your live, preventing too much iron, or anything else in the liver.

Also, cancer is simply a cell lacking hydrogen....what would happen oif it was surrounded by fully hydrated cells, where would it go? If a cell is fully nourished and hydrated, how can it develope cancer? If the DNA is in constant repair, how can it be vulnerable?

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online