Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Jay...please share with us your complete protocol! Thank you:) D [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Well, I knew that was coming but really wasn’t ready for it…It has evolved since then but to the best of my memory below is what I did for that 90 days. An herb formula similar to this: Milk Thistle [seed] 70-80% Silymarin P.E. (naturally extracted-no acetone)……….…450 mg * CS-4 Cordyceps mushroom, [mycelia] 9% d-Mannitol 0.34% adenosine…………..375 mg * Schisandra chinensis [fruit] PE 2% schisandrins..………………..………….300 mg * Jujube [fruit] (Da Zao) Ziziphus jujuba 4:1....200 mg * Dandelion [root] PE 25% inulin..…....……...200 mg * Artichoke [leaf] PE 4% cynarin…….………..200 mg * Green Tea [leaf] P.E. 60-65% catechins…..….200 mg * Capillaris [herb] Artemisia capillaris 5:1……..200 mg * Astragalus [root] PE 16% polysaccharides….200 mg * Reishi Mushroom PE 6:1…………………….200 mg * Tumeric [root] PE 95% curcumin…………….200 mg * Bupleurum [root] 5:1 Bupleurum chinense…...100 mg * Beta 1,3 Glucans 70% glucans………..……...100 mg * Ginger [root] PE 20% pungent gingerols and shogaols………………………………….50 mg * Licorice [root] PE 12% glycyrrhizen...………..25 mg * (The herb formula was mixed into a quart or liter bottle and drank during the day. ALA 300mg bid (600mg total) Selenium 200mcg bid (400mcg total) NAC 500mg tid between meals (1500mg total) Digestive enzyme with meals as needed SAMe 200mg bid on an empty stomach (400mg total) Ester C 3,000 tid on an empty stomach away from iron rich meals (9,000mg total) Calcium 1000mg with my main, iron containing meal (reduces the iron absorption) 1000mg of a mushroom mix (Coriolus, Maitaki, Reishi) tid (3000mg total) 400 IU Dry E bid (800IU total) An iron free multi vitamin with meals. The herb formula can vary to TCM diagnosis but by and large everything else is generic to anyone (with rare exceptions) and backed by clinical trials as having positive health benefits for the liver. A lot of pills and bills but it paid off. A group of us got together to buy these things at wholesale to bring the bills down. Currently I take everything in powders (except the SAMe) so the pills have lowered also. My QoL has been symptom free since then and I enjoy the best health of my life. All my life I have had a low body temperature of 96.8 to 97 degrees. I have since raised it to 98.6. I struggled with trying to lower my cholesterol to normal range but could not until I started treating my liver. It is now normal. I used to suffer from about 2 colds per year; I have not had one for years. My energy level is great. My health continues to improve. I don’t believe I need another biopsy but will do so “in the name of science” to see if my liver condition is improved. Regardless, my life has been enriched from HCV – as strange as that sounds. I enjoy better health and have met a large community of caring people. In Health! Jay Emmons Re: [ ] viral loads Jay...please share with us your complete protocol! Thank you:) D [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 I found an old file with the actual herbal formula I took back then. So, it was this herbal formula and not the one below that I used back then. Schisandra P.E Capillaris Herb 5-1 Artichoke P.E. Astragalus 5-1 Curcumin P. E. 95% Dandelion P.E. Eclipta alba 5-1 Ginseng, Eleuth. 5-1 Green Tea 5-1 Jujube Fruit 5-1 Olive Leaf P.E. 18% Reishi Mushroom 5-1 Scutalleria (Scullcap) 5-1 Bupleurum 5-1 Ginger Root 5-1 Stevia Ext. 90% Licorice Root, P.E. In Health! Jay W. Emmons Re: [ ] viral loads Jay...please share with us your complete protocol! Thank you:) D [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 How generous of you to share all that information, Jay! There are supplements I just keep seeing over and over...and others that are new to me. I am so glad you feel better now and are here to offer much hope and encouragement. By the way, thanks for your support, earlier. I realize I was pretty upset and flustered. I feel better now, in part thanks to you. Take Care, D [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 You are welcome. Even though I have been involved professionally with health foods all of my adult life, I learned so much from others online who had researched this before me. Back in ’99 when I wasn’t working yet due to symptoms, I had tons of time to research. I kept it up over the past few years. The ingredients are not any ‘discovered’ by me. What I do is make them affordable for myself and others. Now, even though I take powders, we are talking about pills. I must emphasize that my diet (food) is my initial concern. The right foods and water, along with the timing and combinations thereof, is what sets a foundation. This may sound vague because I am avoiding what is a very complicated subject. Leaving aside the food issue, water is almost 75% of our bodies yet most people take it (any water) for granted. The first thing I do is make sure that my water is as alkaline as possible and I drink it in sufficient volume (minimum of an ounce per kilo of body weight; sipping throughout the day. I good cost/value water is Yosemite with a 7.5 pH value. A more expensive one is Figi water. The pH is affected by foods and liquids we ingest. For instance, coffee is very acidic. Processed food is acidic. Sugar is also. Disease thrives in an acidic environment. Vegetables and fruit are (mostly) alkaline. Check it out; eat processed foods and see how much mucus your body presents (nose, eyes, etc.) and then cut to an alkaline food base and watch those symptoms go away. I recently started supplementing with a highly alkaline powder and a pH modifier (Prime pH) from Dr Young (PhD). So, bottom line; initially the internal environment (the current buzz word phrase for something we have been considering for 30 years) is where one starts before supplementation. I check my pH (saliva and urine) recently every morning with pH paper to gauge the effectiveness of the new alkaline products. I don’t think I am a good example anymore because I have already been eating an alkaline diet. But, I have to try. Anyway, my point of this email is to balance out any impression that the supplements that were my entire protocol. Truth be told; my diet and internal environment (which includes hydration, pH and elimination), were the basics. They were so basic that they were a given, a requisite foundation for ANY protocol I might have embarked upon. In fact, they are my protocol. In Health! Jay W. Emmons [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 yes Jay, please do! Thanks! in health, Satya [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi Jay, could you explain what you mean by "QoL", as in "moderate QoL challenges". Boy I feel like a dummy....and thanks for posting the "proof"! in health, Satya [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Fair question; the QoL acronym I used might not be a conventional one. Quality of Life is what any responsible person talks about (rather than cures) when dealing with naturals – a yet unproven source of sustained response. A single or isolated viral clearance is an anomaly I can accept. But no one, absolutely no one in the world (at this point) should ever, ever, tell a newcomer that they can be cured if they follow this or that protocol. When you see the new clinical tests for naturals, they consider QoL improvement as an indicator of success. Most of those I know in the buyer’s club are achieving an enhanced QoL. In Health! Jay W. Emmons Re: [ ] viral loads Hi Jay, could you explain what you mean by " QoL " , as in " moderate QoL challenges " . Boy I feel like a dummy....and thanks for posting the " proof " ! in health, Satya [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: -unsubscribeegroups Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Jay, In Canada we have been striving for Governmental and private insurance to use one of the QOL tests that are available, to determine a treatment or alternative protocol regime's availability for reimbursement. At this time only one Canadian Province has moved in this direction, but since a recent change in the government they have slid back to the status quo in Canada. As only 20% of the population infected with the hepatitis c virus may benefit from current anti-viral therapies, why is the emphasis not on the remaining 80%. These people have no choice but to avail themselves of the best practices available to slow the disease's progression and enjoy the best possible quality of life. For the majority of hepatitis c sufferers the word " cure " is not in their vocabulary of terms used when addressing their disease. Increased quality of life should be the next buzz word for our community. Andy > Fair question; the QoL acronym I used might not be a conventional one. Quality of Life is what any responsible person talks about (rather than cures) when dealing with naturals †" a yet unproven source of sustained response. A single or isolated viral clearance is an anomaly I can accept. But no one, absolutely no one in the world (at this point) should ever, ever, tell a newcomer that they can be cured if they follow this or that protocol. > > > > When you see the new clinical tests for naturals, they consider QoL improvement as an indicator of success. Most of those I know in the buyer’s club are achieving an enhanced QoL. > > > > In Health! > > > > Jay W. Emmons <http://www.liverfriend.com/References/JaysPic.htm> > > Re: [ ] viral loads > > > > Hi Jay, could you explain what you mean by " QoL " , as in " moderate QoL challenges " . Boy I feel like a dummy....and thanks for posting the " proof " ! in health, Satya > > [ ] viral loads > > > > Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: > > http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm > > This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… > > > > In Health! > > > > Jay > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003  Jay, I'm in complete agreement -- isolated cures at this point are what we are seeing. Not all products work the same for everyone--so some may affect a cure for themselves. We may be a ways from seeing the masses cured. I remain positive, however, as I am an obsessive fighter when it comes to my health--and if anyone can cure themselves, it could likely be me. I will however accept my exceptional QoL (thanks for the clarification,Jay!) as a welcome consolation prize if said cure is long in coming. I remain hopeful that in the future something safe and affordable will come along to CURE everyone! Since newcomers are so vulnerable/scared or whatever, I agree we should be particularly careful not to make false claims. However, saying truthfully that natural therapies have greatly improved the quality of one's life is not the same thing. This claim I will continue to make, and I will attribute my good health to what I know works for me--clean living and positive thinking, natural diet, healing herbs and nutrients,pure water, exercise, and the care of the spiritual body.....Love and health to all, Satya [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003  Yes, but if they don't eradicate the virus -- and the only way at this point of doing so is standard treatment -- a certain percentage of those QOLs will go on to develop _______, _______, and _________. [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 If you look to Germany you may find substantial info on the benefits of Milk Thistle. It is my impression that milk thistle and several other supplements are reimbursed by the German Gov.'s drug reimbursement programme. I also believe France has a similar program of reimbursement. Milk Thistle translated into French is " Chardon Marie " In Germany I believe the botanical name " Silybum num " . I'm sure if you " Google " any of those names you will find enough evidence to support your claim. > > Fair question; the QoL acronym I used might not be a conventional > one. Quality of Life is what any responsible person talks about > (rather than cures) when dealing with naturals †" a yet unproven > source of sustained response. A single or isolated viral clearance is > an anomaly I can accept. But no one, absolutely no one in the world > (at this point) should ever, ever, tell a newcomer that they can be > cured if they follow this or that protocol. > > > > > > > > When you see the new clinical tests for naturals, they consider QoL > improvement as an indicator of success. Most of those I know in the > buyer’s club are achieving an enhanced QoL. > > > > > > > > In Health! > > > > > > > > Jay W. Emmons <http://www.liverfriend.com/References/JaysPic.htm> > > > > Re: [ ] viral loads > > > > > > > > Hi Jay, could you explain what you mean by " QoL " , as in " moderate > QoL challenges " . Boy I feel like a dummy....and thanks for posting the > " proof " ! in health, Satya > > > > [ ] viral loads > > > > > > > > Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one > full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this > page: > > > > http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm > > > > This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with > moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral > load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it > used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. > (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for > credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) > folk… > > > > > > > > In Health! > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003  Most eventually relapse with conventional treatment--the virus returns with a vengeance, and many times the sides continue to plague them and cause further havoc and disease.......Satya [ ] viral loads Someone commented that my ‘claims’ of lowering my viral load one full log were not backed up by test results. I have put them onto this page: http://www.liverfriend.com/Viral%20Load%20Lowered.htm This was when I was a relatively naïve patient; presenting with moderate QoL challenges. After 90 days of a natural protocol, my viral load dropped one full log. It has since risen up to 20% of what it used to be prior to a natural HCV specific QoL enhancing protocol. (whew, that’s a politically correct mouthful…) Anyway, just for credibility and perhaps some hope for other ‘naïve’ (untreated) folk… In Health! Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 If you ask me, yes I would seek medical treatment. I know nothing about the medicine man teat, but I am not sure all the "cures" toted on the internet as cures are anything but a waste of good money. *blushes* I drink a lot of coffee too, but I also drink green tea and white tea, which have lots of anti-oxidents them to help prevent cancer. Besides the coffee gives me a boost in the morning. Smoke well honey a lot of us do. Although right now I am trying to quit. Love Janet I will look up that medicine man teat and give you a heads up. tapyouout808 <tapyouout808@...> wrote: Hello all, looking for some explanations and info from the people who know best. I have type 1a and viral load of 27,610, liver enzyme function test came back normal. Should i seek medical treament? I purchased some medicine man teat i found on the Net and am leary on taking it, the seller said it clears hep c in 80% of people however made no reference to genotype. Should i return tea? just try it? Get on interferon? I smoke cigerattees, do not drink any alcohol. Exercise a few times a week. Pretty lame diet, i drink alot of coffee and eat 1-2 meals a day. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Thank you for your opinion-response. Haha Were all " trying " to Quit smokin, ive been trying for 12 years <smirk> Thank you janet. > Hello all, looking for some explanations and info from the people who > know best. I have type 1a and viral load of 27,610, liver enzyme > function test came back normal. Should i seek medical treament? I > purchased some medicine man teat i found on the Net and am leary on > taking it, the seller said it clears hep c in 80% of people however > made no reference to genotype. Should i return tea? just try it? Get > on interferon? I smoke cigerattees, do not drink any alcohol. > Exercise a few times a week. Pretty lame diet, i drink alot of coffee > and eat 1-2 meals a day. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > > > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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