Re: More about a question

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Hi Moe,

I wish I was not so brain-dead at the moment, your message had

some really interesting points, but I've just spent the last 4+ days

in the hospital with my grandmother. We always hear doctors say not

to eat too much salt, but my grandmother keeps turning up deficient

in sodium and cloride levels, and she gets totally irrational and

disoriented (halucinations and all!) when her sodium level drops. She

also had a UTI. Either someone had to stay with her, or they were

going to have to put her in restraints to keep her in bed, keep her

from pulling her IV and Foley out, etc. So in addition to feeling

like I'm in a fog, I had almost 200 emails and a warning from

that my mail box was almost over it's limit so I'm having to rush

through everything! So I'll just say that I really do agree with what

I think you are saying (I say THINK because if you asked me the date

today I'm not sure I'd know the answer, lol.) I do believe a person

should always consider their WHOLE person - body and mind. The two

cannot be separated. Each are powerful, and each can effect the

other. As for which comes first - who really knows? I think maybe

there is no ONE answer. Each person and each situation could be

entirely different. And.... I've lost my train of thought! Maybe

this is for another day.

I hope everyone here is doing ok. I feel like I've been 'gone'

for a year!

Claudine

--- Moe <bbdarling@...> wrote:

> Hi Claudine,

> Much of what I'm responding to is personal, so it may not be

> appropriate to

> continue this conversation on the list, so this will be my last

> response to

> this thread in the interest of list policies. HA! You was a

> midwife,

> eh? I've had 5 of my 6 children in different states. The most

> amusing

> place for me was Indiana, where midwifery is illegal, but everyone

> has

> one. Number #4 was my first homebirth, and went so well, that when

> I moved

> to New York for #5, we did an unassisted birth. Getting up in age,

> I

> decided a midwife for #6, who's now 6 mos old. However, we ended

> up in a

> hospital since he wanted to be born IMMEDIATELY, and we had to pull

> over to

> the side of the road in a po-dunk town that hadn't have a baby born

> in 11

> years!! They wanted to evacuate me to Olympia to have the baby in

> a REAL

> hospital, but two pushes later, we were done and on our way back

> home in an

> hour. Babies do what they want, it's always confused me why people

>

> schedule (induce) them. As if life is predicable or something.

>

> One thing that I'm starting to see more of, is that only sick

> people hang

> out with sick people. Have you noticed this too? From time to

> time, I

> wander upon someone who is cured of this or that, and they don't

> really

> want to talk about it. They don't really want to stand on a soap

> box with

> it. I remember a man who went to Mexico to get treatment for his

> emphasima, and he was treated for parasites in his lungs. That was

> 17

> years ago, he doesn't smoke, and he doesn't cough, and he's not on

> any

> medications. He has a busy life, and hangs out at trade shows with

> a

> scrapbook to tell people what he did. He talks about his new life

> and his

> grandchildren, more than disease. I'm thinking that Naomi is doing

> this

> too. She's got all the information that she needs to make all

> right in her

> world, and knows that peace is a part of her formula to wellness.

> How much

> peace we could all get that would be more healing than a bottle of

> herbs?

>

> Maybe, you've heard this, Claudine, that we teach what me most need

> to

> learn. It's a Chinese saying, somebody told me. And when we learn

> our

> " lesson " , we move on. Now, I don't like to reduce illness to

> " lessons " in

> life, but sometimes, for sure, they can be our teachers.

>

> I've often wondered with the Chinese systems, which comes first,

> the

> emotions or the disease? And more and more, I'm starting to think

> that our

> free will has endlessly more value than disease does in the

> equation. For

> example, if too much sitting injures the stomach, isn't it simple

> enough to

> get up? Voila, free will.

>

> If we know that anger injures the liver, we can just be

> happy? Right? Hmmmmmm, mebbe it's not that easy. How to make

> happiness

> is more trouble, isn't it?

>

> Back when I was studying reflexology, I learned of two important

> toxin

> release points, one near the elbow, and other other near the knee.

> When

> these points are massaged they should be relatively comfortable.

> The toxic

> person will experience extreme pain, until this area is massaged

> out. I'm

> saying this because so many areas of toxicity in our lives are like

>

> that. When we make contact with them, they are toxic to us, and

> when we

> " make peace " and " remove blockages " they don't create the same

> anxiety or

> unrest.

>

> I left teaching four years ago, due to the demands of my family,

> and also

> because it was futile. I wanted to do more study with voices. We

> can

> analyze the voice and find missing frequencies, and use that to

> determine

> missing and toxic energy in the body, and where it is. Using this

> therapy

> has shown me something interesting that's missing in most natural

> therapies

> that propose to CURE. That is, you can't kill a disease, unless

> you supply

> the missing energy. The way to get rid of a toxicity is to

> supplement the

> deficiency.

>

> In terms of voices, the liver is associated with the tone of G, so

> the

> inverse tone would be C#, which just happens to be the tone for the

> left

> kidney. It's getting complicated, isn't it.... that healing a

> liver, means

> getting more kidney, or removing fear. (Kidneys are associated

> with fear).

>

> This goes back to your original statement that implied when someone

> learns

> of all the side effects of a therapy, they create them in their

> mind. It's

> pretty well known that medical students develop the symptoms of

> diseases

> that they study in medical school. This is why focusing on the

> liver may

> be the wrong thing to do. Avoidance of energy that harms the

> liver,

> yes, but looking to heal the liver before you supplement with the

> missing

> energy of C# may miss the crux of the problem. And the problem is

> this....

> the body is self-healing and when in balance, regenerates. Somehow

> that's

> being missed in so many discussions. Why is it we miss the

> obvious? Perhaps because we are looking at the wrong problem.

>

> Here's something else interesting. For someone who is G dominant,

> they

> will have the same problems as someone who is G deficient. Too

> much or too

> little energy creates imbalances that " create " the same problems.

> Chinese

> explain this as too yin or too yang.

>

> Bringing the body into balance appears to be the most open road to

> success. Full disclosure and informed consent, this is our goal.

> However,

> too often, the bias is either towards a totally medical or totally

> wholistic view, and this is what harms us. Since our body responds

> more to

> our emotions than any other single factor, we owe it to ourselves

> to take

> in FULL counsel, and not just a medical one. With so much

> information

> available to us, it's doesn't serve anyone to exclude any of it

> based on

> personal preferences.

>

> Interesting studies are documented in the book, Vibrational

> Medicine, by

> Dr. Gerber, MD, which discuss treatments from two different

>

> doctors. DR. A gets success with a therapy that Dr. B doesn't

> think

> works. When Dr. B uses the therapy, his success rate is lower than

> Dr.

> A's. Dr. B assumes it's the therapy. However, the practitioner

> figures

> into the experiment as much, if not more than the " therapy " .

>

> Another experiment from The Secret Life of Plants, by

> Thompkins,

> suggests that the OBSERVER of the experiment has influence on the

> outcome

> of the experiment as well!!

>

> So, perhaps, we'll all be healed when we're sick of being sick, and

> we

> believe we'll be well, when we're ready, and with the therapy we

> choose,

> based on the recommendations of the therapy's proponents and our

> beliefs. There are just so many variables. The only constant that

> I can

> find is the tones are either there, or they're not. It's pretty

> hard to

> fake a C#.

>

> Most love songs are in the tone of C, by the way, and for those who

> have

> too much F#, G, and G#, the most mental energy of the scale a

> little laid

> back (B is the colon, so some movement there helps.... less anal

> retentiveness?) and feel good C music would do us all some good.

>

> I'm not suggesting to have the answers, quite the opposite. I

> don't think

> we're asking the right questions yet. Maybe more musings will

> bring about

> better questions. We're getting closer than we've ever been. If

> anyone

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