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Don't forget that we were taxpayers who paid into this system all the

years that we were working, so we are not a bunch of freeloaders. There are, of

course people who get healh care and other benefits that did not work in the

system do get, and that has definitely put a strain on this system.

 

I don't see why there is a cap on how much is paid into social security while

someone is working. Especially if you are earning lots of money it doesn't make

sense to stop the social security taxes as part of your withholding. I also

don't see why people should be part of the system if they haven't even lived

here or worked here and haven't paid anything into it, especially people that

are here illegally.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:10 AM

Medicare reimbursement for many procedures may run as little as 10% of

the standard charge that doctors and hospitals present.  I see this

regularly on my Medicare statements.  If we ever go to a socialists

system of national health care then it it likely that all doctors will

have to belong, and be reimbursed accordingly.  It would probably be

illegal to seek health  care outside the system; at least providers

would not be allowed to charge.  There are good as well as bad results

from this, but I sincerely doubt you will get the same degree and

quantity of attention for $85 as you will for $850.  Although to me $850

seems extremely high.

I personally benefit from the Medicare program, but it is at the expense

of taxpayers and workers.  As it stands I have little if any fiscal

incentive to limit my consumption of health care services other than my

conscience.  I recently stopped a small exercise program; I found out it

was costing taxpayers $341 for one hour of minimal " exercise " three

times per week.

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>       Posted by: " Neil " neilneil@...

>   

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>         onewaypockets <onewaypockets>

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>         Wed Apr 1, 2009 12:11 pm (PDT)

>

> Nothing personal , but Dr. Hall's fees seem very excessive. On her

> website she quotes $850 for a woman's first visit, plus labs, plus meds.

> That would almost guarantee a $1500 first visit. It seems a shame since

> bio identicals and Armour are the cheapest substances around (no major

> pharma patents). And any doctor that offers facials, colon hydro

> therapy, and her " lightness of being " treatments automatically makes me

> think " trust fund boutique medicine " to myself.

>

> I have also heard that Dr. Friedman does not prescribe Armour and takes

> Levoxyl himself.

>

> Neil

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There is a cap on how much one can draw from SS in retirement . Hence,

there should be a cap in what is put in. Someone making 10 million a

year should NOT be paying a million into the system when the most they

can draw is likely only a small fraction of that. A 1 million dollar

contribution would generate far more than the max in allowable monthly

payments in retirement. Paying into one's own retirement account would

be far far more profitable than squandering it on a government system.

In any case, the purpose of US constitutional government is to protect

rights (persons and their resources), not redistribute wealth and assets

at the end of voter guns. The system has been perverted and corrupted.

The way my business is assembled, 90 percent is owned by my family

limited partnership (FLP) and 10 percent owned by my wife and I (who

also own the FLP). Consequently, 90% of the income does not get a SS

tax and the business divides between the profits between dividends and

salaries to myself and wife. Only the wages are taxed on SS and Med.

Making a million dollars results in only 100,000 being SS and Med

taxable and I can distribute 80% of the profits as dividends so that

only 20,000 ultimately gets SS and Med taxed since that's all that

reaches us as wages. Income that is considered " passive " doesn't even

have to pay any SS and Med. I don't expect to get anything from SS and

the law is constructed to allow business owners to limit taxes.

In any case, the only kind of taxes that should be allowed on our

constitutional government are those needed to protect rights of persons

and the right property be protected from theft and fraud.

If I want to get into any redistribution scheme like " insurance " , that's

a personal choice controlled by contract law. Any good or service I

need I need to work for, trade for, or receive as charity.

As to the $850 charges spoken off, there are two reasons that these

charges can be high. One, this is real value since the doctor has all

the business she can handle and she should continue to raise the price

until she is getting just as much business as she wants. OR, regulation

limiting people from entering the market and/or regulation sending the

costs of the goods and services artificially high is at fault. Most

likely, both apply.

Steve

Roni Molin wrote:

> Don't forget that we were taxpayers who paid into this system all the

years that we were working, so we are not a bunch of freeloaders. There are, of

course people who get healh care and other benefits that did not work in the

system do get, and that has definitely put a strain on this system.

>

> I don't see why there is a cap on how much is paid into social security while

someone is working. Especially if you are earning lots of money it doesn't make

sense to stop the social security taxes as part of your withholding. I also

don't see why people should be part of the system if they haven't even lived

here or worked here and haven't paid anything into it, especially people that

are here illegally.

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@...>

> Subject: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

County area

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:10 AM

>

>

> Medicare reimbursement for many procedures may run as little as 10% of

> the standard charge that doctors and hospitals present. I see this

> regularly on my Medicare statements. If we ever go to a socialists

> system of national health care then it it likely that all doctors will

> have to belong, and be reimbursed accordingly. It would probably be

> illegal to seek health care outside the system; at least providers

> would not be allowed to charge. There are good as well as bad results

> from this, but I sincerely doubt you will get the same degree and

> quantity of attention for $85 as you will for $850. Although to me $850

> seems extremely high.

>

> I personally benefit from the Medicare program, but it is at the expense

> of taxpayers and workers. As it stands I have little if any fiscal

> incentive to limit my consumption of health care services other than my

> conscience. I recently stopped a small exercise program; I found out it

> was costing taxpayers $341 for one hour of minimal " exercise " three

> times per week.

>

>

> .

> .

>

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