What's Happening?

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

I can see all of your posts- even the ones you sent twice! Not sure what is

happening at your end...

Jasmine

On 10/15/07, Patty <mellowsong@...> wrote:

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> I was answering posts and they were showing up. Now all of a sudden,

> it's saying " Your message has been posted " but nothing is showing up.

> Can somebody tell me what's going on?

> Patty

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HI Lizzie - sorry to hear you are having these strange feelings. First, this could be a build up of your T3 and you might want to leave out your next dose. Stop taking it for 24 hours and very soon, you should feel OK again. This is what happens when you are taking too much T3. However, it could also be the fact that you really should get some adrenal support. When introducing any thyroid hormone replacement it puts extra strain on your adrenals, and if they were already stressed (even a bit) they can't handle more problems when you start taking the T3. I would get some Nutri Adrenal Extra from Nutri as soon as possible and start by taking one tablet with your breakfast for a couple of days, and then add another tablet to take with your lunch. Don't take any after 1.00p.m. because the extra adrenalin might keep you awake. After a couple of weeks, you may want to add a third tablet. That should help your body cope with your T4 and T3.

After stopping your T3 for 24 hours, start taking it again, but just start with half the dose you are now taking and let your body get used to it more slowly. What has happened to you is the reason we recommend splitting the T3 (however small) into two doses.

Let us know how you are tomorrow, and I hope you feel better soon.

Luv - Sheila

> > Having a bit of a weird day today. Am on 75mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3> (been taking the T3 now for just over 4 weeks). Had paplps one night 3> weeks ago but no other problems until 2 nights ago when I had slight> palps but it settled down. Feel a bit odd today, got up as normal but> just before luch my enrgy went down the drain abd I felt really shaky> and irritable. Had lunch and about half an hour after picked up and> felt quite a bit better. My legs feel weak and shaky, I'm not shaking> but feel jittery, my pulse is normal at 80bpm. I feel as though to do> anything today is a battle, my mind wants to but my body is telling me> not to - hope this isn't getting too complicated. Am just wondering if> this is my adrenals I am not taking any support. Did the questionairre> in the files and came out with mild fatigue. I feel so fed up because> I thought I was doing really well. Would I be showing benefits like> softer skin and warmer hands if my adrenals were struggling. Any> advice would be warmly received.> Thanks Lizzie>

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Hi Sheila

Thank you for replying so quickly. Do you think I would be able to

commence on the nutri-adrenal extra without stopping the T4 and T3 as

this is the biggest barrier for me at he moment. I am also due to have

a blood test on Tues am and I am reluctant to stop my meds until 24

hrs before because of this. I haven't been able to split my T3 because

of being on iron as well and having to fit it all in with 4 hour gaps.

It's very complicated isn't it? I'm having the blood test under Dr B's

instructions becausen of the palpitations you will remember I had a

few weeks ago. He wanted me to get my blood levels of T4 and T3 built

up again (as I had cut them down) and then do a blood test to check

that I wasn't on too much.

Love Lizzie

>

- sorry to hear you are having these strange feelings. First,

> this could be a build up of your T3 and you might want to leave out your

> next dose. Stop taking it for 24 hours and very soon, you should feel OK

> again. This is what happens when you are taking too much T3. However, it

> could also be the fact that you really should get some adrenal support.

> When introducing any thyroid hormone replacement it puts extra strain on

> your adrenals, and if they were already stressed (even a bit) they can't

> handle more problems when you start taking the T3. I would get some

> Nutri Adrenal Extra from Nutri as soon as possible and start by taking

> one tablet with your breakfast for a couple of days, and then add

> another tablet to take with your lunch. Don't take any after 1.00p.m.

> because the extra adrenalin might keep you awake. After a couple of

> weeks, you may want to add a third tablet. That should help your body

> cope with your T4 and T3.

>

> After stopping your T3 for 24 hours, start taking it again, but just

> start with half the dose you are now taking and let your body get used

> to it more slowly. What has happened to you is the reason we recommend

> splitting the T3 (however small) into two doses.

>

> Let us know how you are tomorrow, and I hope you feel better soon.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

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> > Having a bit of a weird day today. Am on 75mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3

> > (been taking the T3 now for just over 4 weeks). Had paplps one night 3

> > weeks ago but no other problems until 2 nights ago when I had slight

> > palps but it settled down. Feel a bit odd today, got up as normal but

> > just before luch my enrgy went down the drain abd I felt really shaky

> > and irritable. Had lunch and about half an hour after picked up and

> > felt quite a bit better. My legs feel weak and shaky, I'm not shaking

> > but feel jittery, my pulse is normal at 80bpm. I feel as though to do

> > anything today is a battle, my mind wants to but my body is telling me

> > not to - hope this isn't getting too complicated. Am just wondering if

> > this is my adrenals I am not taking any support. Did the questionairre

> > in the files and came out with mild fatigue. I feel so fed up because

> > I thought I was doing really well. Would I be showing benefits like

> > softer skin and warmer hands if my adrenals were struggling. Any

> > advice would be warmly received.

> > Thanks Lizzie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can you take your iron medications late in the day and when you go to bed. It is a bit of a bind when you have to take iron and calcium at least 3 to 4 hours away from your thyroid supplements.

You have a much better chance of boosting your adrenals by stopping your thyroid medication for a few days. Your adrenals are probably stressed BECAUSE they are dealing with these new supplements and when you start NAME, your adrenals need all the tender loving care they can get for a few days. The half life of T4 is long, so there would sitll be some T4 left in your body while starting your NAE, but the T3 is only short. I would be brave and try out NAE for say 5 days if possible without taking thyroid hormones, then add your hormones back in. If you can't manage it, then you just have to hope and pray the NAE works. You do however, need to stop your T3/T4 for at least 24 hours before you have your blood drawn, longer if at all possible. This is to get a truer picture of what is happening in your blood without they synthetic hormones swimming around in it.

Lizzie, can you delete messages still attached to your response before you click SEND, just leave the bit you are responding to? People who get the Daily Digest or read directly from the web have to scroll through all these unnecessary messages being repeated and often get frustration.

Luvs - Sheila

Thank you for replying so quickly. Do you think I would be able tocommence on the nutri-adrenal extra without stopping the T4 and T3 asthis is the biggest barrier for me at he moment. I am also due to havea blood test on Tues am and I am reluctant to stop my meds until 24hrs before because of this. I haven't been able to split my T3 becauseof being on iron as well and having to fit it all in with 4 hour gaps.It's very complicated isn't it? I'm having the blood test under Dr B'sinstructions becausen of the palpitations you will remember I had afew weeks ago. He wanted me to get my blood levels of T4 and T3 builtup again (as I had cut them down) and then do a blood test to checkthat I wasn't on too much. -

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-hi Sheila

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I take my T4 at bedtime and I

am sure that I have felt better whilst doing so. Than I take my T3 in

the morning first thing, then I have to fit in my iron, so you can see

my problem but I will have a go and see if I can somehow split the T3.

I have taken the plunge and ordered the NAE and I will commence

following my blood tests on Tuesday when I will have stopped the

thyroid supplementation. luckily I am on holiday next week so perhaps

a good time to go for it. Can I ask when I do recommence the T4 and T3

would you build up both gradually or just go straight back in on 75/10mcg.

Thank you so much for your help I really did feel to be going mad

today but am feeling a little better now so maybe the T3 that I took

at 8am has now worn off. Love Lizzie

> Can you take your iron medications late in the day and when you go

to bed. It is a bit of a bind when you have to take iron and calcium

at least 3 to 4 hours away from your thyroid supplements.

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AFter you start your Nutri AE, you should be OK to start back on your 75mcgs t4 and 10mcgs T3 as you were before. I know how you felt thios morning, I went through exactly the same thing, only it happened to me after 9 days. I will never forget the feeling - it was frightening. That was the day I left the NHS when I phoned my endocrinologist who told me "it can't possibly be the T3...there must be something else wrong with you...telephone your GP..." I was taking 50 mcgs T4 and 20 mcgs T3 at that time. It was she who dropped me right down from 125 mcgs T4 to put me on this combination. I am now on 3 grains of Armour + 25 mcgs T4 and enjoying blooming health.

Luv - Sheila

-hi SheilaThank you for your reply. Unfortunately I take my T4 at bedtime and Iam sure that I have felt better whilst doing so. Than I take my T3 inthe morning first thing, then I have to fit in my iron, so you can seemy problem but I will have a go and see if I can somehow split the T3.I have taken the plunge and ordered the NAE and I will commencefollowing my blood tests on Tuesday when I will have stopped thethyroid supplementation. luckily I am on holiday next week so perhapsa good time to go for it. Can I ask when I do recommence the T4 and T3would you build up both gradually or just go straight back in on 75/10mcg.Thank you so much for your help I really did feel to be going madtoday but am feeling a little better now so maybe the T3 that I tookat 8am has now worn off. Love Lizzie> Can you take your iron medications late in the day and when you goto bed. It is a bit of a bind when you have to take iron and calciumat least 3 to 4 hours away from your thyroid supplements.> > > > > >

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Hi sheila

Just an update to let you know how things are going. Yesterday I

decided to split my 10mcg T3 into 2 doses and I did feel better. I

haven't taken anything today, last dose was T4 last night as I am

having a blood test at 8.30 tomorrow. If my NAE have not arrived by

tomorrow I will recommence meds until they arrive. On the day I start

the NAE I will not take anything and try to keep this going for 5

days, I presume I am ok to continue with my supplements which are

vitamin c 1000mg iron 400 mg zinc 15 mg and Selenium 200mg. As I take

T4 at night do you think I would be wise to miss out that dose the

night before I intend to start NAE?

thanks Love Lizzie

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Hi Lizzie

This all sounds absolutely fine. Good luck.

luv - Sheila

Re: What's happening?

Hi sheilaJust an update to let you know how things are going. Yesterday Idecided to split my 10mcg T3 into 2 doses and I did feel better. Ihaven't taken anything today, last dose was T4 last night as I amhaving a blood test at 8.30 tomorrow. If my NAE have not arrived bytomorrow I will recommence meds until they arrive. On the day I startthe NAE I will not take anything and try to keep this going for 5days, I presume I am ok to continue with my supplements which arevitamin c 1000mg iron 400 mg zinc 15 mg and Selenium 200mg. As I takeT4 at night do you think I would be wise to miss out that dose thenight before I intend to start NAE?thanks Love Lizzie> >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date:08/02/2008 10:06>

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Hi Lizzie,

Have you done the salivary adrenal test? I ask because it is important to do this before starting adrenal support because to get a reliable result you need to have not taken adrenal support for 6 weeks, so you will not be able to do one after starting meds. I would do this quickly before starting anything.

Val

Having a bit of a weird day today. Am on 75mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3(been taking the T3 now for just over 4 weeks). Had paplps one night 3weeks ago but no other problems until 2 nights ago when I had slightpalps but it settled down. Feel a bit odd today, got up as normal butjust before luch my enrgy went down the drain abd I felt really shakyand irritable. Had lunch and about half an hour after picked up andfelt quite a bit better. My legs feel weak and shaky, I'm not shakingbut feel jittery, my pulse is normal at 80bpm. I feel as though to doanything today is a battle, my mind wants to but my body is telling menot to - hope this isn't getting too complicated. Am just wondering ifthis is my adrenals I am not taking any support.

Thanks Lizzie

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Hi Sheila

Just wanted to let you know that the Nutri-adrenal Extra arrived

today.What an excellent service! I have already taken my first one so

am waiting with bated breath to see if I am ok with it. I have been

feeling a litte hot since taking it and wondered if this is a normal

reaction, or just me. How soon do you think I will start to feel

benefits from them?

Love Lizzie

[Guest guest]

HI Lizzie

Some people react to the Nutri Adrenal Extra showing benefit after a week or so, other's have to wait for a few weeks to get the full benefit. Stay on one tablet for a few days to make sure you react OK and then add another tablet with your lunch. See how that goes and if OK, add another tablet. Some people need up to 6 tablets but if that doesn't work, it usually means they need cortisol proper. It is unlikely you will have to take that amount, but it has been known. Most do well on just a couple of tablets.

Luv - Sheila

----------------------------------------------------------Hi SheilaJust wanted to let you know that the Nutri-adrenal Extra arrivedtoday.What an excellent service! I have already taken my first one soam waiting with bated breath to see if I am ok with it. I have beenfeeling a litte hot since taking it and wondered if this is a normalreaction, or just me. How soon do you think I will start to feelbenefits from them?Love Lizzie

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HI Lizzie

..........I have been feeling a litte hot since taking it and

wondered if this is a normal reaction, or just me......

When I first started taking Nutri Adrenal I felt weird. I started on

a very low dose 1/4 of a tablet and increasesd it by 1/4 each

weekend. Dr P said it was unusual to feel 'weird' but said everyone

is different and I should do what felt best for me. A while back I

tried an increase of 1/2 tablet and felt as though I was 'running on

fast' so I went back to my previous dose. I have managed to increase

my dose now to 4 tablets a day (before 1pm)

When I look back to when I first started with the NA I was feeling

very panicky, nervous, tense, tearful, butterflies in my tum etc., I

think that my feeling weird when I started with the NA was just part

of my adrenal stress and I was panicking because I was worried about

how they would affect me. I am glad I persevered because I am

feeling so much better now.

B

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Hi

Thanks for that, it has made me feel better. I did have an allergic

reaction to some medication 6 years ago and it has made me very

nervous whenever I take something I haven't had before. I felt very

hot on my neck, chest and face shortly after taking it although I am

wondering if it was a hot flush as I am 43.

Love Lizzie

[Guest guest]

I lived at a permanently low temperature. When it reached 'normal' I felt really uncomfortable and like I was running a temperature. So it could be that your temperature is coming up to normal and your body isn't used to it yet.

Mind you I still feel more comfortable when my temperature is 97.5 - 98.1

Lilian

..........I have been feeling a litte hot since taking it and wondered if this is a normal reaction, or just me......

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Me again. I have been off my T4 and T3 now since Sunday so day 4

without it. Started the NAE on Tuesday at one tablet, felt ok, had one

tablet yesterday, had leg cramps initially but they disappeared after

taking NAE until bedtime. I have had one NAE with breakfast this

morning, but leg cramps stil here and feeling achy and weary today,

think I must now be missing the T4 and T3. Do you think I would be ok

to take another NAE at lunchtime today or should I wait another day

and have 2 tomorrow.

Love Lizzie

it after a week or so, other's have to wait for a few weeks to get the

full benefit. Stay on one tablet for a few days to make sure you react

OK and then add another tablet with your lunch. See how that goes and

if OK, add another tablet. Some people need up to 6 tablets but if

that doesn't work, it usually means they need cortisol proper. It is

unlikely you will have to take that amount, but it has been known.

Most do well on just a couple of tablets.

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> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Me again. I have been off my T4 and T3 now since Sunday so day 4

without it. Started the NAE on Tuesday at one tablet, felt ok, had one

tablet yesterday, had leg cramps initially but they disappeared after

taking NAE until bedtime. I have had one NAE with breakfast this

morning, but leg cramps stil here and feeling achy and weary today,

think I must now be missing the T4 and T3. Do you think I would be ok

to take another NAE at lunchtime today or should I wait another day

and have 2 tomorrow.

Love Lizzie

it after a week or so, other's have to wait for a few weeks to get the

full benefit. Stay on one tablet for a few days to make sure you react

OK and then add another tablet with your lunch. See how that goes and

if OK, add another tablet. Some people need up to 6 tablets but if

that doesn't work, it usually means they need cortisol proper. It is

unlikely you will have to take that amount, but it has been known.

Most do well on just a couple of tablets.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Well - I have been out until now Lizzie - so guess you will now have to wait until tomorrow to take your extra NAE. You should feel much better once you start back on your thyroid hormone replacement.

luv - Sheila

Hi SheilaMe again. I have been off my T4 and T3 now since Sunday so day 4without it. Started the NAE on Tuesday at one tablet, felt ok, had onetablet yesterday, had leg cramps initially but they disappeared aftertaking NAE until bedtime. I have had one NAE with breakfast thismorning, but leg cramps stil here and feeling achy and weary today,think I must now be missing the T4 and T3. Do you think I would be okto take another NAE at lunchtime today or should I wait another dayand have 2 tomorrow.Love Lizzieit after a week or so, other's have to wait for a few weeks to get thefull benefit. Stay on one tablet for a few days to make sure you reactOK and then add another tablet with your lunch. See how that goes andif OK, add another tablet. Some people need up to 6 tablets but ifthat doesn't work, it usually means they need cortisol proper. It isunlikely you will have to take that amount, but it has been known.Most do well on just a couple of tablets.> > Luv - Sheila

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Hi Sheila

Thanks for replying, I decided to take the extra one at lunchtime and

will continue on two for the next couple of weeks. I will stay off the

thyroxine for as long as I can bear to, but will probably have to go

back on it by Monday as I am back at work.

Love Lizzie

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Usually, the way to go when adding in T3 is to drop your thyroxine. If this was me then, I would drop the T4 down to 50 mcgs and add your 5 mcgs in the morning and add another 5 mcgs in the afternoon. You should be able to copoe with the 10 mcgs recommended this way. Before, you were taking it all in one dose. See how that works. Most people need the T3 - not T4 anyway. Carry on with the NAE and if you feel it would be of benefit - adding another tablet today. Keep us informed about how you get on, and if you feel taking 5 mcgs twice a day is too much, then just take 5 mcgs - though I am sure you should be OK with the 5 x 2.

Titrating until you get the dose right is an experiment you have to go through.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,Just a quick one - Last Sunday I took my last levothyroxine and havehad nothing since except the supplements I was already taking. Icommenced NAE on Tuesday at one tab and increased to two tabs onThursday. If I go back on my T4 75mcg tonight and then take 5mcg T3(instead of my usual 10mcg) tomorrow in the morning,(cant split the5mcg any smaller so will take it all as one dose) do you think thiswill be okay? do you think I have given my adrenals long enough offthe thyroxine to get a kick start. I must say I haven't felt as bad asI expected to, Thursday was probably my worse day when I felt tiredand achy. I seem to suddenly find I have lost my energy around teatimeand wondered if this was the NAE wearing off. Hopefully my adrenalswill be strong to cope with going back on the Thyroxine?Love Lizzie

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Hi Sheila

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I am not adding in T3 as such, I

had a break to start the NAE, but now need to go back to the 10mcg T3

and 75 mcg T4 as prescribed by Dr B. I was just wanting to check that

you thought I wouldn't be putting too much strain on my adrenals by

commencing back at 75 mcg at night and slowly adding the T3. I think

he felt I still needed the 75 mcg of T4 and the T3 in addition to

bring my level up as my T4 at the time was only 13.2 and my T3 4.2.

Sorry for any confusion and thanks for replying.

Love Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie, I hear what you are saying and understand that Dr B asked you to carry on with the 75 mcgs T4 and 10mcgs T3. I was thinking you were adding T3 for the first time. Apologies.

Luv - Sheila

Re: What's happening?

Hi SheilaI'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I am not adding in T3 as such, Ihad a break to start the NAE, but now need to go back to the 10mcg T3and 75 mcg T4 as prescribed by Dr B. I was just wanting to check thatyou thought I wouldn't be putting too much strain on my adrenals bycommencing back at 75 mcg at night and slowly adding the T3. I thinkhe felt I still needed the 75 mcg of T4 and the T3 in addition tobring my level up as my T4 at the time was only 13.2 and my T3 4.2.Sorry for any confusion and thanks for replying.Love Lizzie

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What is happening and where is everyone? This group seems

to have vanished into the ether!

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>