Who Really Cares - Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

[Guest guest]

Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction. He was just another version of

Hitler. Instead of targeting Jews from another country he decided to pick

on his own. You do remember that he was SENTENCED to death? Ask the

soldiers if they want to pull out. No man wants to pull out. That's

quitting. Then all those men and women who sacrificed their lives well they

died in vain.

CW

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Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Of course there is something to debate , Val but what is the point with

> your narrow conservative view of life that has no empathy for needy people

> Bush did nothing to help out the country, he created an unneeded war where

> over 4,000 young men and women have died and over 1 million Iraqi's have

> died. Nice.

>

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Charity's Political Divide

Republicans give a bigger share of their incomes to charity, says a

prominent economist

By Ben Gose

It's been a tough month for conservatives, with the Republican Party

losing control of both houses of Congress, but a new book being released

this week may help brighten their spirits.

In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate

Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. finds that religious

conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that

those who support the idea that government should redistribute income

are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.

Some of his findings have been touched on elsewhere by other scholars,

but Mr. , a professor of public administration at Syracuse

University, breaks new ground in amassing information from 15 sets of

data in a slim 184-page book (not including the appendix) that he

proudly describes as " a polemic. "

" If liberals persist in their antipathy to religion, " Mr. writes,

" the Democrats will become not only the party of secularism, but also

the party of uncharity. "

Some scholars say Who Really Cares builds on the work of D.

Putnam's Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community,

which was published in 2000.

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

, again you missed the boat and are playing straw man games. I'm

not a republican, didn't you figure that out yet?

I was damned angry about the invasion of Iraq AND about the invasion of

Afghanistan. The Talaban government, which I think was abhorrent long

before 9/11 and anyone even knew where to find the place on a map, was

getting foreign aid from the US GOVERNMENT, MY TAX money, because we

wanted to build an OIL PIPELINE from north to south in western

Afghanistan to bypass Iran. That was BS, especially using American tax

money to further oil company interests. However, the Talaban raised the

prospect of giving Osama Bin Ladin to us if we would negotiate a

reciprocal extradition treaty with them. We chose to bomb instead.

Osama was after a Saudi and not from the area and the Talaban would have

gladly sold him down the river.

I also was not happy with the 500,000 Iraqi lives that have been lost

since the the first bush war I disagreed with. Nuclear waste harden

munitions were used spreading cancer and other related disease all over

the south of Iraq. We offered to help the south rebel from Sadam after

we pulled out and then when they did rebel we didn't come in to help and

they were crushed. The stories get worse.

It was also clear that Saddam did not have WMD and the UN guy who's name

I now forget who was leading the dismantling and searching for weapons

testified to that effect. He was the foremost guy in the know.

So Nancie, you keep making assumptions about me and jumping to

conclusions full of stereotypes that are just plain wrong.

But, the truth, which you did not address from the post below, is that

republicans are more conservative than democrats and republicans donate

much more in charity as a PERCENTAGE OF THEIR INCOME by far than liberal

democrats (and they make more too). It just goes to show that you are

so so wrong on so many levels.

You assume falsely, that if people are conservative, they are

uncharitable, that's false. You assume falsely, that people who are

wealthy are uncharitable, that's false. You assume that people who want

to control their own money are mean and want to oppress the less

fortunate, that's false. You assume that people with capitol to invest

are mean selfish bastards and that to is false. It is these people,

whom you falsely stereotype, who create the most jobs, create the most

wealth, raise the standard of living by the most on average, build the

most gas stations so you can fill up your care, build the most drug

stores so you don't have to travel 50 miles to fill your prescription,

put in new neighborhood grocery stores, build the most homes keeping the

supply up and limiting prices, who come running in and overbuild

apartments when the rents start to go up driving down prices, and who

and just damn good people to know, live with, and chat with across the

fence with a light evening breeze on how each of our vegetable gardens

are doing and exchanging successful specimens or donating large garden

crops to the local food bank, fresh food fresh off the vine.

People are not as evil as you make them out to be and you have no faith

in humanity to make a go for themselves when they know they the ones

responsible.

But those who you stereotype are slippery too, we will slip through your

enslaving fingers like greased pigs and take ours and your prosperity

with us. Mark my words.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> That is the truth, Steve. Unless of course all you do is watch fox news....

> There was ZERO need to invade IRAQ without UN support. IRAQ did not have WMD

> nor were they involved in 911. So, now over 4,000+ soldiers have died just

> in IRAQ alone, over a million Iraqi's have been killed. The only war that

> was justified was Afghanistan, at least there we have a " goal " , bin Laden

> and the Taliban.

>

>

>

>

> -- Who Really Cares - Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

>

>

>

>

> , do you care about truth?

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> Of course there is something to debate , Val but what is the point with

>> your narrow conservative view of life that has no empathy for needy people

>

>> Bush did nothing to help out the country, he created an unneeded war where

>> over 4,000 young men and women have died and over 1 million Iraqi's have

>> died. Nice.

>>

>

> http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

> Charity's Political Divide

>

> Republicans give a bigger share of their incomes to charity, says a

> prominent economist

>

> By Ben Gose

>

> It's been a tough month for conservatives, with the Republican Party

> losing control of both houses of Congress, but a new book being released

> this week may help brighten their spirits.

>

> In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate

> Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. finds that religious

> conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that

> those who support the idea that government should redistribute income

> are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.

>

> Some of his findings have been touched on elsewhere by other scholars,

> but Mr. , a professor of public administration at Syracuse

> University, breaks new ground in amassing information from 15 sets of

> data in a slim 184-page book (not including the appendix) that he

> proudly describes as " a polemic. "

>

> " If liberals persist in their antipathy to religion, " Mr. writes,

> " the Democrats will become not only the party of secularism, but also

> the party of uncharity. "

>

> Some scholars say Who Really Cares builds on the work of D.

> Putnam's Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community,

> which was published in 2000.

>

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr. Dan!

Sadly, there are too many people in our country still undecided, still not sure

what to believe...I was one of those, myself...it took first hand experience,

observation of others in similar circumstances under government sponsored

welfare (everything structured to hold us hostage to 'the system'), and

ultimately empathetic private individuals and organizations who sponsored us (in

humane conditions per Nancie's definition), ultimately providing us the

opportunity to stand on our own two feet (well four if you count both my husband

and myself). Today, it is those same types of organizations that we choose to

give OUR resources of time, money, and possessions to help others who are in

that same situation now. I can't even begin to express how humiliating it was

to go to the grocery store and pay with 'foodstamps' (later it became an

electronic debit card, but that was after our time)...nor, how humiliating it

was to go into a store with a voucher to buy the necessities like toilet paper,

laundry soap, etc. It was totally degrading and humiliating when the government

treated us like liars and thieves because someone stole our food stamps from our

mailbox, so we were put on a list that required us to go pick them up in person

at the courthouse. Like little children, we had to go ask our landlord to fill

out paperwork verifying our rent. We had to provide copies of all of our

utilities. We had to ask people who offered us opportunities for part-time

employment until we could find full-time employment, to fill out paperwork

stating how many hours and how much pay they were going to offer us. And then,

even that wasn't enough...those same people had to fill out more paper-work,

stating how many hours they did provide, and how much they did pay, and on

exactly what day they paid it. Then, if one of us happened to work 32 or more

hours in a week (at minimum wage even), they took away our medical coverage. For

us, it was a catch22, because we had a child with a chronic, life-threatening

medical condition that resulted in hospitalizations at least once a year, and

usually twice, with many trips to the emergency room in the interim.

Additionally, foodstamps were cut, monthly checks were cut to the point that

they combined with the earned income were less than our rent and utilities.

While pregnant, since my first baby had died, and there had been complications

with my 2nd child's birth, local doctors refused to treat me obstetrically, so I

had to commute to the nearest city. When your total monetary income is less

than your rent and utilities, you certainly don't have money to put gas in your

car. We had to sell our food stamps to buy enough gas to get me to the doctor

and later to the hospital when I went into labor. It feels like crap to have to

break the law in order to accomplish an essential necessity.

On the other hand, the private organizations allowed us to retain our privacy,

and didn't subject us to humiliation, while providing us the opportunity to rise

above all of this...to rise from the hostage welfare/poverty sustained trap the

government provides under the guise of a better life-style. These people who

haven't been there haven't even got a clue what that life-style is like. I

can't even tell you how many part-time job opportunities (eventually enough

part-time jobs could actually have accomplished the effect of self-reliance) we

lost because employers got fed up with dealing with the welfare system and

social workers. Some of them wanted to pay us cash under the table and as a

result, when we refused, we lost the work, regardless of how much they

sympathized or even empathized with our situation. This IS the REALITY of

government sponsored 'charity'!

>

> Steve,

>

> Many people, possibly Nancie included, care little about TRUTH when they

> have a viewpoint to promulgate !

>

> Can one 'beat a dead horse' too much ?

>

> Dr. Dan

[Guest guest]

Are you mad? Pres. Obama has NOT ended the war on terror. He is still

committed to Afghanistan, where the real focus should be. He is committed to

targeting AQ and all the factions. They are everywhere, even here.

Things are different since the forties. The nations of the world, at least

the civilized ones do things differently, and have different procedures

before they start a bloody war. Just because we have a big stick doesn't

mean that we use it indiscriminantly. That is why we have no respect in the

world because of dumbo and his administration's policies of the last 8 years

We are simply seen as a bully. I have family all over the world and I can

tell you that the ones in Europe, especially, during the last 8 years,

thought that bush was an ass and they would tell me that because of bush,

Americans were thought of less favorably. They could not understand why 49

million people could be so stupid to re-elect that moron.

That and the fact that we embraced torture under the republicans rule. Do

you think that those prisoners in Cuba don't hate us now. We picked up some

innocent people along with alleged terrorists and now the ones who didn't

hate us, hate us now. So, now we have created an even bigger mess then we

had in the first place. Torture does NOT bring out useful info, have we not

learned anything from Abu grab?? We are supposed to set an example in the

world's eyes and we have failed miserably.

At least we have a chance to bring back some credibility in the world's eyes

now that we have Obama, who is very intelligent and actually has common

sense, ethics and morals , which was lacking with bush. Did you not see the

world's reaction on election night? It was wonderful. My family in Europe

and elsewhere, told me what happened in their respective countries. Everyone

was in the streets celebrating including the heads of state.

The only people who weren't celebrating were AQ.

Saddam was not targeting Americans - we targeted him under false pretenses.

Yes, he was a horrendous dictator and needed to be removed, but we should

have gotten UN support and acted in a collaboration with UN to remove him in

a unified front, not as some frigging bully who asks for UN support and then

when they don't get it- have a temper tantrum and go ahead and do it their

way, alone except for Britain . Although Britain's parliament did not

sanction the war, initially and were forced into it by Tony Blair. Where

after the fact had to sanction the deployments. That was a major nail in

Blair's coffin as far as his political career went. He lost all respect from

the parliament after that stunt.

-- Who Really Cares - Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

Re: Thy

, do you care about truth?

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Of course there is something to debate , Val but what is the point with

> your narrow conservative view of life that has no empathy for needy people

> Bush did nothing to help out the country, he created an unneeded war where

> over 4,000 young men and women have died and over 1 million Iraqi's have

> died. Nice.

>

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Charity's Political Divide

Republicans give a bigger share of their incomes to charity, says a

prominent economist

By Ben Gose

It's been a tough month for conservatives, with the Republican Party

losing control of both houses of Congress, but a new book being released

this week may help brighten their spirits.

In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate

Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. finds that religious

conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that

those who support the idea that government should redistribute income

are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.

Some of his findings have been touched on elsewhere by other scholars,

but Mr. , a professor of public administration at Syracuse

University, breaks new ground in amassing information from 15 sets of

data in a slim 184-page book (not including the appendix) that he

proudly describes as " a polemic. "

" If liberals persist in their antipathy to religion, " Mr. writes,

" the Democrats will become not only the party of secularism, but also

the party of uncharity. "

Some scholars say Who Really Cares builds on the work of D.

Putnam's Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community,

which was published in 2000.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford