Ginko Biloba

[Guest guest]

That show was a repeat from last year (it was rerun week).

What they should have emphasized was the hazards of the prescription drugs the

patient was on!

Chuck

That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast!

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:54:08 -0700, " OBIE " <obie2@...> wrote:

>Well, haven't heard much about it on the list but CBS really did their number

on GB this week on 60 Minutes. I thought sure we'd see various posts regarding

it so let me just ask. Among our little family, what evidence is there

regarding proof that GB improves brain activity and memory _and_ is this [GB]

really only a blood thinner? Obie.

[Guest guest]

Clinical feedback at my chiropractic office. Most of the people who take our

gingko products notice an improvement

when taking them, and that they slip a little when they run out. Of course, I

have to mention that I've gotten away from just gingko to formulations with

gingko and other brain boosters in them, so I can't say it was all due to JUST

the herb gingko. We use primarily Gero Vita's Brain Power and Physiologics

Gingko Alert Formula. Brain Power gets the best feedback. Even my mom tells me

when she runs out of it.

jp

Ginko Biloba

Well, haven't heard much about it on the list but CBS really did their number

on GB this week on 60 Minutes. I thought sure we'd see various posts regarding

it so let me just ask. Among our little family, what evidence is there

regarding proof that GB improves brain activity and memory _and_ is this [GB]

really only a blood thinner? Obie.

[

[Guest guest]

--

Since I am recently on-line w/ Oxyplus, did not see your post re effects of

Ginkgo. Yes -- I get " bummed " , have short term memory loss, " bruise " easier

and get a little short tempered when using GINKGO. Still have 3/4 bottle

sitting on the shelf!

Sara

Ginko Biloba

Obie,

I can tell you what it does for me. I used it for four months and noticed a

dramatic increase in my ability to focus and retain details. It, however,

makes me extremely negative. I find my mood becomes very dark and I have a

lessened ability to look at my experiences and objectively see the good in

them. I posted a question about this aspect of Ginko to the list several

months ago, but no one responded and I assummed no one shared this

experience. I still take it on the rare occassion when I have not slept

well and need the boost to help me focus during work, but only when there

are no other negative stressors in my life.

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Hi . GB was a negative experience for me also. I felt very jittery on it

and did not notice any mental boost. But I am generally pretty clear anyway. I

just was thinking the extra circulation would be good, but it was just too

unpleasant for me.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Obie,

I can tell you what it does for me. I used it for four months and noticed a

dramatic increase in my ability to focus and retain details. It, however,

makes me extremely negative. I find my mood becomes very dark and I have a

lessened ability to look at my experiences and objectively see the good in

them. I posted a question about this aspect of Ginko to the list several

months ago, but no one responded and I assummed no one shared this

experience. I still take it on the rare occassion when I have not slept

well and need the boost to help me focus during work, but only when there

are no other negative stressors in my life.

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information

we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the

message! :

oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

[Guest guest]

Obie,

Ginko has been prescribed by medical practitioners throughout human

history! Well over a million prescriptions EVERY MONTH are issued by

doctors in Europe NOW for the specific purpose of stimulating brain

circulation! I am too lazy to type what I could about ginko's research

proven effects in numerous critical cerebral functions!

Suffice to say that anyone who says it's bad is a tout for a competing

pharmaceutical product, or a moron who heard the salesman & believed it!

jim

OBIE wrote:

>

> Well, haven't heard much about it on the list but CBS really did their number

on GB this week on 60 Minutes. I thought sure we'd see various posts regarding

it so let me just ask. Among our little family, what evidence is there

regarding proof that GB improves brain activity and memory _and_ is this [GB]

really only a blood thinner? Obie.

-----

The TRUTH in 11 words:

Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

-- anon

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

,

There is another list on called mind-l. If you do a search at

you will find them. Join and ask them that question. That is in

their field of expertise. There are quite a few members on oxyplus who

are also on that list, I used to be, but if you want an answer to a

question about an altered state of consciousness from ANY substance or

circumstance, that is the place to ask that question.... if you really

expect an answer. ;-)

jim

vonHausen wrote:

>

I posted a question about this aspect of Ginko to the list several

> months ago, but no one responded and I assummed no one shared this

> experience. -----

The TRUTH in 11 words:

Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

-- anon

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Donna, , et al,

WHat all of you were doing is using a nootropic without first studying

or understang it. Many nootropics, of which ginko is one, facilitate

enhanced cerebral functioning, WHICH MEANS YOU BETTER HAVE GOOD

NUTRIENTS for your brain to work on, or it will make you jittery & edgy,

possibly even paranoid, if you are so inclined. The reason this happens

is that increased functioning requires improved lubrication and flow,

and in cerebral terms, this means raw fats, fatty acids, phospholipids &

adaptogens like ginko to facilitate blood flow & oxygen to the brain.

Further, ginko increases the supply & utilization of glucose in the

brain, is a super anti-oxidant to the brain & nervous system & actually

can repair some free-radical damage, protect the brain & other nerve

tissue from damage due to blood or oxygen deficiency.... and on and on

for ginko!

A good brain food pill for such voyaging is Olympian Labs' Phospholoba

Q10. It has a lot of phospholipids, tons of essential fatty acids, and

small amounts of CoQ10 & ginko as co-factors. Or, you can use lots of

lecithin, or some choline, DMAE, or virtually any source for precursor

cholinergic compounds to NeuroTransmitters like acetylcholine, the prime

NT for quick synaptic responses.

The bottom line is this: if you expect your brain to function better,

you have to feed it what IT wants, not what you think it needs. If you

knew anything about it, you wouldn't be talking about this in the first

place! ;-))

Donna wrote:

>

> Hi . GB was a negative experience for me also. I felt very jittery on

it and did not notice any mental boost. But I am generally pretty clear anyway.

I just was thinking the extra circulation would be good, but it was just too

unpleasant for me.

>

> Donna

-----

The TRUTH in 11 words:

Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

-- anon

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim. Responses in text below.

-----Original Message-----

Donna, , et al,

WHat all of you were doing is using a nootropic without first studying

or understang it.

In her best five year old voice she said, " So. "

A good brain food pill for such voyaging is Olympian Labs' Phospholoba

Q10. It has a lot of phospholipids, tons of essential fatty acids, and

small amounts of CoQ10 & ginko as co-factors. Or, you can use lots of

lecithin, or some choline, DMAE, or virtually any source for precursor

cholinergic compounds to NeuroTransmitters like acetylcholine, the prime

NT for quick synaptic responses

I have taken egg yolk lecithin daily for over ten years and also other efa

products and still gingko jitters me out. Any ideas on that.

The bottom line is this: if you expect your brain to function better,

you have to feed it what IT wants, not what you think it needs.

Well hold on now buckaroo,, speaking for myself, I wasn't taking it for

brain function, because I haven't really every noticed a problem in that area.

Well not since I was healed of hypoglycemia. I was taking it for better

circulation, since I was so sedantary with CFS. And I think sometimes some

people can have a negative response to something that is saving everyone else.

When that happens to me I just shrug and go on. I don't just keep putting

something into my system that is causing it to be stressed just because it says

on paper that it will help me.

If you

knew anything about it, you wouldn't be talking about this in the first

place! ;-))

Now, now. Isn't that what this forum is for, learning and sharing what we

know. I may not know everything about gingko, but I do know that it hasn't

worked for me when I have tried it. I was not suggesting that it was bad and

that no one should take it. I was just innocently sharing that it gave me the

jitters.

I still like you even if you were really mean. Insert pouty face here.

Smile.

Donna

Donna wrote:

>

> Hi . GB was a negative experience for me also. I felt very jittery

on it and did not notice any mental boost. But I am generally pretty clear

anyway. I just was thinking the extra circulation would be good, but it was

just too unpleasant for me.

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim. Responses in text below.

-----Original Message-----

Donna, , et al,

WHat all of you were doing is using a nootropic without first studying

or understang it.

In her best five year old voice she said, " So. "

A good brain food pill for such voyaging is Olympian Labs' Phospholoba

Q10. It has a lot of phospholipids, tons of essential fatty acids, and

small amounts of CoQ10 & ginko as co-factors. Or, you can use lots of

lecithin, or some choline, DMAE, or virtually any source for precursor

cholinergic compounds to NeuroTransmitters like acetylcholine, the prime

NT for quick synaptic responses

I have taken egg yolk lecithin daily for over ten years and also other efa

products and still gingko jitters me out. Any ideas on that.

The bottom line is this: if you expect your brain to function better,

you have to feed it what IT wants, not what you think it needs.

Well hold on now buckaroo,, speaking for myself, I wasn't taking it for

brain function, because I haven't really every noticed a problem in that area.

Well not since I was healed of hypoglycemia. I was taking it for better

circulation, since I was so sedantary with CFS. And I think sometimes some

people can have a negative response to something that is saving everyone else.

When that happens to me I just shrug and go on. I don't just keep putting

something into my system that is causing it to be stressed just because it says

on paper that it will help me.

If you

knew anything about it, you wouldn't be talking about this in the first

place! ;-))

Now, now. Isn't that what this forum is for, learning and sharing what we

know. I may not know everything about gingko, but I do know that it hasn't

worked for me when I have tried it. I was not suggesting that it was bad and

that no one should take it. I was just innocently sharing that it gave me the

jitters.

I still like you even if you were really mean. Insert pouty face here.

Smile.

Donna

Donna wrote:

>

> Hi . GB was a negative experience for me also. I felt very jittery

on it and did not notice any mental boost. But I am generally pretty clear

anyway. I just was thinking the extra circulation would be good, but it was

just too unpleasant for me.

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

First..remember none of these drugs listed here are FDA approved YET. Also, muy busband had tried the Ginkp Biloba for severe tinnitis (ringing in the ears) and it made him sick. Joanne http://www.questhealthlibrary.com/full_description.php?ElementID=332 Ginkgo Biloba (Ginkgo biloba)

DESCRIPTION:

The use of Ginkgo biloba leaf as a medicine was first recorded by the Chinese in 2800 BC. Clinical data shows that Ginkgo is effective in increasing blood flow to the limbs and brain. Ginkgo leaf is also shown to alleviate the adverse effects of platelet-activating factor (including the inflammatory reactions involved in the immune response).

HERBAL USES

Ginkgo biloba is traditionally used in the treatment of arterial insufficiency (low blood flow rate) by helping to improve circulation to all parts of the body including the brain, hands and feet. Ginkgo also helps to prevent the adverse effects of platelet-activating factor (PAF) in a number of body tissues. Improvements in the allergic response (e.g. Asthma) have been demonstrated.

SUGGESTED INTAKES

Part of the herb used: LEAF.

LEAF EXTRACT, 80-150 mg daily.

SUPPLEMENTAL USES

Ginkgo biloba has been used for circulatory problems and related conditions such as Tinnitus (ringing in the ears), Alzheimers, dizziness, Raynauds syndrome, numbness and tingling, Migraine, erectile dysfunction, Inflammation, mental and brain function.

Poor Brain Circulation:Ginkgo biloba helps maintain circulation to the brain at intakes of at least 120mg of extract daily for about 1 year. This showed significant reductions in vertigo, Headaches, tinnitus and mood disturbances (1).

Memory and Concentration:Ginkgo biloba extracts of at least 150mg daily were found to increase memory in a double-blind placebo controlled trial - this is relevant to people with impaired memory function which is found in dementia (2,3). More studies confirm that ginkgo increases memory and hearing ability in older age. Ginkgo may also be used for ringing in the ears and can improve ability to concentrate (4). Recent studies have also found ginkgo biloba to be therapeutic for people in the early stages of Alzheimer’s disease, as well as multi-infarct dementia (5,6,7).

Poor Leg Circulation:Studies show that ginkgo biloba improves circulation to the lower limbs giving improvements in pain-free walking time and walking distance (8).

Inhibition of PAF/Anti-Allergy:Platelet Activating Factor (PAF) is responsible for allergic-type immune reactions such as fluid build-up, Skin flares, difficulty breathing and other severe inflammatory events. High PAF levels are also linked to nerve cell damage and poor blood circulation in the central nervous system (9). Ginkgo has been studied in people with allergies to dust and pollen and people with Asthma (10).

Antioxidant:Ginkgo biloba extract has been show to possess antioxidant properties and efficiently protects membrane polyunsaturated fatty acids (11). It is active in the brain, retina of the eye, and the cardiovascular system (12). Ginkgo biloba has been shown to be therapeutic for macular degeneration, which causes loss or decrease of vision (13). It has also been found to help diabetic retinopathy (14). In the brain, ginkgo biloba may help prevent age-related decline in cognitive function.

Tinnitus(ringing in the ears) and balance:Ginkgo biloba may be used to alleviate Tinnitus and balance problems, as demonstrated in controlled studies (15,16).

SIDE-EFFECTS AND PRECAUTIONS

No significant side-effects have been noted for ginkgo biloba. No significant adverse reactions were noted from trials in which patients ingested as much as 600mg of leaf extract in a single dose. Mild adverse reactions include gastro-intestinal upset and Headaches.

Ginkgo biloba is not recommended for use by children.

N.B. Clinical research shows there were no changes in heart rate, blood pressure and blood concentrations of cholesterol or triglycerides (TAG) in those receiving ginkgo therapy.

INTERACTIONS AND CONTRA-INDICATIONS

Ginkgo supplements should be avoided by those taking blood thinning medication for example warfarin and heparin.

REFERENCES