Re: Re: fat (no body nuts here!) digestion

[Guest guest]

Anita, I hope you are feeling much better this AM. Sometimes I get that

pain in my stomach and also feel sick. When I had it the last time, the

Rheumatologist told me I was flaring. My GI had not told me it was a flare.

Oh well. I wish I had a magic want to make it go away! I guess like my GP

told me, that I am stuck with the pain and am just going to have to live

with it.

Hope you have a better day....and I commend you and your husband for trying

to get you marriage back on track.

Debby

[Guest guest]

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> From: " tdcc " <tdcc2000@...>

> Date: Sun 29/Dec/2002 13:55 GMT

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> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: fat (no body nuts here!) digestion

>

> Anita, I hope you are feeling much better this AM. Sometimes I get that

> pain in my stomach and also feel sick. When I had it the last time, the

> Rheumatologist told me I was flaring. My GI had not told me it was a flare.

> Oh well. I wish I had a magic want to make it go away! I guess like my GP

> told me, that I am stuck with the pain and am just going to have to live

> with it.

>

> Hope you have a better day....and I commend you and your husband for trying

> to get you marriage back on track.

> Debby

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sophie,

I know my mom is wishing for the same ability to eat chocolate...in fact she

thrived on it, major comfort food and all. Interestingly enough it has a

high level of iron, which may aggravate her hemochromatosis so she has quit

" cold turkey " .

As to the comment re your AIH, I recently biopsied a cat's liver that had

NORMAL liver values, but was still loosing weight. It came back the cat

equivalent of moderate to severe lymphocytic/plasmacytic cholangiohepatitis.

None of the " specialists " in our field can explain it either, but once on

increased pred, torb, flagyl, and other meds she is doing great! :-) Hope

your biopsy can provide answers, and goes smoothly.

Kat

[ ] Re: fat (no body nuts here!) digestion

> Kat,

> in my case I can see a definite connection between fat in diet and

> well-being. And it is getting worse, rapidly so. I had my last blood

> checks two weeks ago and all was well but if I eat as much as a

> cheese sandwich or a small piece of cake, my digestion acts up. If I

> have a " good " day, all I get is nausea, burping, gas, bloating and

> some discomfort. On " bad " days, I am often up the best part of the

> night with cramps and pain. And always, like clockwork, heavy

> diarrhea next morning. On some mornings I am so washed out from it

> that I cannot cycle at all and end up in a traffic jam shaking behind

> the steering wheel. The idea alone of including peanut butter as a

> mainstay into my diet plan makes me nauseas already. If I cut out as

> much fat as I can, I am doing fairly ok. So far, my doc has tried to

> help me with capsules based on artichoke extract and stuff against

> stomach cramps (a bromide I think, same stuff as used against period

> cramps). The hepatologist wants to wait for the results from the next

> biopsy, which is scheduled sometime soon. Both seem to be reluctant

> to connect it with AIH, I think, because my blood is ok. It's of

> course a great diet and my weight is going down all the time, but I

> feel I am not getting nutrients. In fact, I feel it's all running

> through me. I wonder if anybody else has experienced something

> similar???

> How am I to continue a happy life without chocolate!!!

> (Only joking!)

> Have a nice day,

> Sophie

>

>

> > Greetings,

> > I was reading with interest about the nut issue. My understanding

> is the

> > proteins they contain are what people are allergic to. As to the

> fat issue,

> > perhaps Jerry has a better handle here, but I always thought the

> biliary

> > system was responsible for helping digest fat. When sclerosis, and

> > diminished function occur in the liver, this digestion will slow

> down.

> > Always intersted in more info here as my mom uses peanut butter as a

> > mainstay in her " diet plan " , and has recently mentioned an increase

> in

> > " burping " and tummy upset.

> > Thanks,

> > Kat

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kat....explain it......heck I bet half of them can't pronounce it!

Sophie,

I know my mom is wishing for the same ability to eat chocolate...in fact she

thrived on it, major comfort food and all. Interestingly enough it has a

high level of iron, which may aggravate her hemochromatosis so she has quit

" cold turkey " .

As to the comment re your AIH, I recently biopsied a cat's liver that had

NORMAL liver values, but was still loosing weight. It came back the cat

equivalent of moderate to severe lymphocytic/plasmacytic cholangiohepatitis.

None of the " specialists " in our field can explain it either, but once on

increased pred, torb, flagyl, and other meds she is doing great! :-) Hope

your biopsy can provide answers, and goes smoothly.

Kat

[ ] Re: fat (no body nuts here!) digestion

> Kat,

> in my case I can see a definite connection between fat in diet and

> well-being. And it is getting worse, rapidly so. I had my last blood

> checks two weeks ago and all was well but if I eat as much as a

> cheese sandwich or a small piece of cake, my digestion acts up. If I

> have a " good " day, all I get is nausea, burping, gas, bloating and

> some discomfort. On " bad " days, I am often up the best part of the

> night with cramps and pain. And always, like clockwork, heavy

> diarrhea next morning. On some mornings I am so washed out from it

> that I cannot cycle at all and end up in a traffic jam shaking behind

> the steering wheel. The idea alone of including peanut butter as a

> mainstay into my diet plan makes me nauseas already. If I cut out as

> much fat as I can, I am doing fairly ok. So far, my doc has tried to

> help me with capsules based on artichoke extract and stuff against

> stomach cramps (a bromide I think, same stuff as used against period

> cramps). The hepatologist wants to wait for the results from the next

> biopsy, which is scheduled sometime soon. Both seem to be reluctant

> to connect it with AIH, I think, because my blood is ok. It's of

> course a great diet and my weight is going down all the time, but I

> feel I am not getting nutrients. In fact, I feel it's all running

> through me. I wonder if anybody else has experienced something

> similar???

> How am I to continue a happy life without chocolate!!!

> (Only joking!)

> Have a nice day,

> Sophie

>

>

> > Greetings,

> > I was reading with interest about the nut issue. My understanding

> is the

> > proteins they contain are what people are allergic to. As to the

> fat issue,

> > perhaps Jerry has a better handle here, but I always thought the

> biliary

> > system was responsible for helping digest fat. When sclerosis, and

> > diminished function occur in the liver, this digestion will slow

> down.

> > Always intersted in more info here as my mom uses peanut butter as a

> > mainstay in her " diet plan " , and has recently mentioned an increase

> in

> > " burping " and tummy upset.

> > Thanks,

> > Kat

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wanted to comment on the fat and chocolate issue.. Anita said

something about not being able to have it, but I don't recall chocolate

ever being contraindicated in AIH or most other liver diseases except

maybe in NASH diets.

What am I missing?

jerry

[Guest guest]

Sorry about the doc lingo, its late and I regress to the familiar. I am

assuming the L-P cholangiohepatits is what you are referring to.

Basically, it refers to the types of cells noted on the biopsy and what

type of liver tissue is involved. We tie this together with blood work,

clotting profiles, and physical presentation. How the cat is doing at home

eating/actiong/drinking/box habits etc. are all very important. It is very

much like putting together a puzle without the picture on the box to help.

In cats the cell types are a sign of an inflammatory/immune response much

like humans.

I currently have placed the question to the " internal med guru's " as to how

it may relate to AIH in human's.

This question has produced a lot of further questions, but no answers.:-(

What I was trying to state is that lab values are not always indicative of

how things are going on internally.

They are merely a piece of the puzzle. The only true way to know about how

the liver cells are responding to treatment etc. is to sample them.

I hope this clarifies things,

Kat

Re: [ ] Re: fat (no body nuts here!) digestion

> Kat....explain it......heck I bet half of them can't pronounce it!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It was a joke... I understood what you were saying.

Re: lab values. what we here refer to as liver function tests aren't

really indicative of the livers function at all... more meaningful data

can be accumulated thru albumin measures and prothrombin time.

A biopsy is perhaps the best way to see what condition ones condition is

in. And of course response to treatment is a very valuable tool.