Re: Re: No sleep for the weary

[Guest guest]

Anita, I shall NOT again complain of taking my 20 pills a day! That is

terrible that you take that many pills!

Yesterday, I was rather frustrated with the pharmacy. I have perscriptions

that have been given at different times, thus, each script has a different

refill date. Well, anyway, my dear hubby kept going to the drug store, and

they would not give him all of the scripts! I told him how many, but now, I

guess he is going to have to have the name of the meds so he doesn't have to

go back and forth and be able to get them all at once!

Whast I need to do, is to have my scripts filled at a mail order....that

way, I will KNOW when they are to be filled!

Debby

[ ] No sleep for the weary

> > > >

> > > > Well, hoping someone else is up for the night because I cannot

sleep.

> > Jumpy legs,but the worst part is the gnawing pain in my gut. It won't

let

> > up. It goes from left to right and around. I took something for the

> > nausea, but the pain is still with me. Not a sharp pain, but a

> > gnawing...like a dull ache that eventually wears you out.

> > > >

> > > > I am going to make myself some hot cocoa and see if that will help.

> > Also took a sleeping pill to see if THAT would help too. I even put

> > lavender behind my legs to see if that would calm me, and it seems to be

> > helping somewhat.

> > > >

> > > > Well.....with any luck, I should be in zzzzz land eventually.

> > > >

> > > > Debby

> > > > hi debby, i have " jupy legs " as you call it. My gp at first

reccomended

> > a sedative, but i said no. i was up every night, so i went back to my

docs

> > and saw a different one. she suggested quinine in tablet form, that was

3

> > years ago and i havent had an attack since.

> > > hope this helps.

> > >

> > > anita

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I can't imagine taking so many meds. My Hep. maintains, and I concur,

that one doesn't need a lot of differnt drugs and that many docs. over

prescribe because they aren't really sure how to treat some conditions

(or they have a bunch of samples to get rid of).

With so many different meds one has to be extremely careful of

contraindicatios and drug interactons. Also it would seem some drug side

effects would present as a different condition or complication of an

existing one and encourage even more treatment... a viscious cycle ...

chasing one med with another. There would also seem to be a problem of

timing ...when to take this one ..how many times a day to take that.....

the consequences of a missed dose or double dose...with food or not (1

hr. before a meal 2 hrs. after?)

Seems to me society has become drug happy.. a pill for this, one for

that.

Don't get me wrong.. I think modern medicine is wonderful.... But I tend

to remember being taught in some of my pre-med classes about how

wonderful, also, is the human body and that it has

an almost miraculous ability to heal itself.

It makes its own natural counter measres and pain killers and we may be

coming too dependent on external treatments.

Enough of my ponticating..this is only my pedestrian opinion and I'm

certainly not qualified to second guess an MD but i feel what i feels. I

also am certainly not picking on anyone (puleeze...God knows I enjoy a

good narcotic as much as any one else)

I love you all from my soap box

jerry

[Guest guest]

Jerry, you are RIGHT ON! The prednisone alone would be great, but I am on

the 6MP which hurts my stomach UNLESS I take the ultram for the pain AFTER I

have taken the Nexium to COAT the stomach so that the 6MP won't kill me.

HOWEVER....this combination has seemed to work, since the Imuran AND the

Cellcept would break through and I thought I had died with the stomach pain.

Then, there is the Plaquenil for the stiffness that goes along with all the

autoimmune problems and the Neurontin to control the Spinal

Stenosis......that appears to be the end...no...then there is the plain old

thyroid that probably started off this entire autoimmune nonesense! Maybe

jumping off a cliff would be easier!

Debby

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

> I can't imagine taking so many meds. My Hep. maintains, and I concur,

> that one doesn't need a lot of differnt drugs and that many docs. over

> prescribe because they aren't really sure how to treat some conditions

> (or they have a bunch of samples to get rid of).

> With so many different meds one has to be extremely careful of

> contraindicatios and drug interactons. Also it would seem some drug side

> effects would present as a different condition or complication of an

> existing one and encourage even more treatment... a viscious cycle ...

> chasing one med with another. There would also seem to be a problem of

> timing ...when to take this one ..how many times a day to take that.....

> the consequences of a missed dose or double dose...with food or not (1

> hr. before a meal 2 hrs. after?)

> Seems to me society has become drug happy.. a pill for this, one for

> that.

> Don't get me wrong.. I think modern medicine is wonderful.... But I tend

> to remember being taught in some of my pre-med classes about how

> wonderful, also, is the human body and that it has

> an almost miraculous ability to heal itself.

> It makes its own natural counter measres and pain killers and we may be

> coming too dependent on external treatments.

> Enough of my ponticating..this is only my pedestrian opinion and I'm

> certainly not qualified to second guess an MD but i feel what i feels. I

> also am certainly not picking on anyone (puleeze...God knows I enjoy a

> good narcotic as much as any one else)

>

> I love you all from my soap box

> jerry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than others... It seems to

me that if the thyroid started everything then perhaps you would have

been better off having it removed in the 1st place....but then where

would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh. giving you meds to

replace the thyroid hormones

you may have lost and then others to counteract their sides and then...

We can't win... any way it was only my opinion ....but then its easy for

me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of Prograf (post Tx),...

5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I lie to my hep and

my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd is acting up, and

once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't ignore my joint pain.

If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees and shoudler joints

didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I suppose I'd know it if I

stopped those meds I do take.

What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds are good for you...

side effects bad... and thats where the merry-go-round begins .....

sighh

love jerry

[Guest guest]

Jerry, a BIG sigh indeed! We can't win! But, at least I can still laugh,

and THAT my friend, is what keeps me going!

Debby

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

> Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than others... It seems to

> me that if the thyroid started everything then perhaps you would have

> been better off having it removed in the 1st place....but then where

> would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh. giving you meds to

> replace the thyroid hormones

> you may have lost and then others to counteract their sides and then...

> We can't win... any way it was only my opinion ....but then its easy for

> me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of Prograf (post Tx),...

> 5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I lie to my hep and

> my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

> and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd is acting up, and

> once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't ignore my joint pain.

> If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees and shoudler joints

> didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I suppose I'd know it if I

> stopped those meds I do take.

> What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds are good for you...

> side effects bad... and thats where the merry-go-round begins .....

> sighh

>

> love jerry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jerry,

My hepatologist called me at work Friday to tell me my TSH is at 6.5 or

close to that. Normal is 5. She has been watching me for the development

of hypothyroid, and I guess now it has happened as she predicted. My

sister, mother, brother and aunt have had this for years and now I am

joining this exclusive club. Diabetes runs rampant in my mom's family

and she has it as well.

What will the primary doctor do for me, what meds do people with thyroid

disease take?

Will I be OK?

Thank you for any help or encouragement!

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than others... It seems to

me that if the thyroid started everything then perhaps you would have

been better off having it removed in the 1st place....but then where

would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh. giving you meds to

replace the thyroid hormones

you may have lost and then others to counteract their sides and then...

We can't win... any way it was only my opinion ....but then its easy for

me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of Prograf (post Tx),...

5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I lie to my hep and

my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd is acting up, and

once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't ignore my joint pain.

If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees and shoudler joints

didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I suppose I'd know it if I

stopped those meds I do take.

What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds are good for you...

side effects bad... and thats where the merry-go-round begins .....

sighh

love jerry

[Guest guest]

,

Someone may have already answered this for you, but

I have hypothyroidism. I have been taking L-Thyroxine

for many years, my dose is up to.175 mg., I can always

tell when the dose needs to be changed, I will feel

" on edge. " Sure enough, the doctor will check my TSH

and I will have my dose raised. You should notice you

will feel less tired once on the medication. You can

get severely dry skin from hypothyroidism as well. I

was told that a person's thyroid affects all your body

systems, it may be small, but very important. I wish

you well.

Ruth

--- lisa m skowron <lsmaxfax@...> wrote:

> Dear Jerry,

>

> My hepatologist called me at work Friday to tell me

> my TSH is at 6.5 or

> close to that. Normal is 5. She has been watching me

> for the development

> of hypothyroid, and I guess now it has happened as

> she predicted. My

> sister, mother, brother and aunt have had this for

> years and now I am

> joining this exclusive club. Diabetes runs rampant

> in my mom's family

> and she has it as well.

>

> What will the primary doctor do for me, what meds do

> people with thyroid

> disease take?

>

> Will I be OK?

>

> Thank you for any help or encouragement!

>

>

>

> Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the

> weary

>

> Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than

> others... It seems to

> me that if the thyroid started everything then

> perhaps you would have

> been better off having it removed in the 1st

> place....but then where

> would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh.

> giving you meds to

> replace the thyroid hormones

> you may have lost and then others to counteract

> their sides and then...

> We can't win... any way it was only my opinion

> ....but then its easy for

> me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of

> Prograf (post Tx),...

> 5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I

> lie to my hep and

> my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

> and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd

> is acting up, and

> once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't

> ignore my joint pain.

>

> If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees

> and shoudler joints

> didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I

> suppose I'd know it if I

> stopped those meds I do take.

> What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds

> are good for you...

> side effects bad... and thats where the

> merry-go-round begins .....

> sighh

>

> love jerry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jerry,

You will be interested to know my mom fully adheres to the NO pills form of

life. Although I don't advocate it for everyone her liver values dropped

from 2600 to 960 without any form of medication or even vitamins. Only when

the ascities and anemia started causing cardiac failure did she allow a

transfusion (3) and spironolactone. She is now at normal values, 30 pounds

less but has a light in her eyes missing for 3 months, and is voraciously

reading every cookbook, and nutrition info to create a diet for recovery.

I from a medical perspective have the eternal worry about a " second hit "

especially without medications, but have personally witnessed so many cats

with bad diseases live months to years without treatment that there is no

accounting for mother nature.

On the flip side, I am the doc who has to monitor interactions of meds, and

answer questions about when to take what etc. Believe me my clientele want

to know, and it really keeps me on my toes.

Love to hear your input,

Kat

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

> I can't imagine taking so many meds. My Hep. maintains, and I concur,

> that one doesn't need a lot of differnt drugs and that many docs. over

> prescribe because they aren't really sure how to treat some conditions

> (or they have a bunch of samples to get rid of).

> With so many different meds one has to be extremely careful of

> contraindicatios and drug interactons. Also it would seem some drug side

> effects would present as a different condition or complication of an

> existing one and encourage even more treatment... a viscious cycle ...

> chasing one med with another. There would also seem to be a problem of

> timing ...when to take this one ..how many times a day to take that.....

> the consequences of a missed dose or double dose...with food or not (1

> hr. before a meal 2 hrs. after?)

> Seems to me society has become drug happy.. a pill for this, one for

> that.

> Don't get me wrong.. I think modern medicine is wonderful.... But I tend

> to remember being taught in some of my pre-med classes about how

> wonderful, also, is the human body and that it has

> an almost miraculous ability to heal itself.

> It makes its own natural counter measres and pain killers and we may be

> coming too dependent on external treatments.

> Enough of my ponticating..this is only my pedestrian opinion and I'm

> certainly not qualified to second guess an MD but i feel what i feels. I

> also am certainly not picking on anyone (puleeze...God knows I enjoy a

> good narcotic as much as any one else)

>

> I love you all from my soap box

> jerry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Please don't jump off the cliff! I understand about the multiple meds. My

cat Crystal had end stage renal disease, and required 6 medications 4 times

a day. I often thought all these meds I popped down her throat, what kind

of life was she having...Then I saw her repeatedly hop on clients laps and

purr and love on them, especially when they were awaiting bad news about

their own cat. With me she was with me constantly snuggling and making

biscuits. This ceased 1 day before I let her go. Point is never did she

hold it against me for poking meds down or giving fluids. I know not all

cats are like this, but life is what you make of it, and if taking multiple

meds every 4 hours daily keeps you feeling good enough to enjoy what life

provides then deal with it and look at the positives.

From a cat's perspective,

Kat

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

>

>

> > I can't imagine taking so many meds. My Hep. maintains, and I concur,

> > that one doesn't need a lot of differnt drugs and that many docs. over

> > prescribe because they aren't really sure how to treat some conditions

> > (or they have a bunch of samples to get rid of).

> > With so many different meds one has to be extremely careful of

> > contraindicatios and drug interactons. Also it would seem some drug side

> > effects would present as a different condition or complication of an

> > existing one and encourage even more treatment... a viscious cycle ...

> > chasing one med with another. There would also seem to be a problem of

> > timing ...when to take this one ..how many times a day to take that.....

> > the consequences of a missed dose or double dose...with food or not (1

> > hr. before a meal 2 hrs. after?)

> > Seems to me society has become drug happy.. a pill for this, one for

> > that.

> > Don't get me wrong.. I think modern medicine is wonderful.... But I tend

> > to remember being taught in some of my pre-med classes about how

> > wonderful, also, is the human body and that it has

> > an almost miraculous ability to heal itself.

> > It makes its own natural counter measres and pain killers and we may be

> > coming too dependent on external treatments.

> > Enough of my ponticating..this is only my pedestrian opinion and I'm

> > certainly not qualified to second guess an MD but i feel what i feels. I

> > also am certainly not picking on anyone (puleeze...God knows I enjoy a

> > good narcotic as much as any one else)

> >

> > I love you all from my soap box

> > jerry

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Our favorite quopte for that is " It (the vessel) is a hose, I can't believe

you missed it. " Sick humor, but it releives a usually stressful situation.

Kat

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the

> > weary

> >

> > Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than

> > others... It seems to

> > me that if the thyroid started everything then

> > perhaps you would have

> > been better off having it removed in the 1st

> > place....but then where

> > would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh.

> > giving you meds to

> > replace the thyroid hormones

> > you may have lost and then others to counteract

> > their sides and then...

> > We can't win... any way it was only my opinion

> > ....but then its easy for

> > me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of

> > Prograf (post Tx),...

> > 5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I

> > lie to my hep and

> > my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

> > and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd

> > is acting up, and

> > once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't

> > ignore my joint pain.

> >

> > If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees

> > and shoudler joints

> > didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I

> > suppose I'd know it if I

> > stopped those meds I do take.

> > What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds

> > are good for you...

> > side effects bad... and thats where the

> > merry-go-round begins .....

> > sighh

> >

> > love jerry

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ha! That is great!

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the weary

,

Our favorite quopte for that is " It (the vessel) is a hose, I can't

believe

you missed it. " Sick humor, but it releives a usually stressful

situation.

Kat

Re: Re: [ ] No sleep for the

> > weary

> >

> > Debby...LOL....I guess some of us are sicker than

> > others... It seems to

> > me that if the thyroid started everything then

> > perhaps you would have

> > been better off having it removed in the 1st

> > place....but then where

> > would all those pharmaceutical companies be..oh.

> > giving you meds to

> > replace the thyroid hormones

> > you may have lost and then others to counteract

> > their sides and then...

> > We can't win... any way it was only my opinion

> > ....but then its easy for

> > me to say....all I take is a couple of mgs. of

> > Prograf (post Tx),...

> > 5mgs of prednisone (i'm supposd to be on 10mgs but I

> > lie to my hep and

> > my lfts are normal ... 14, 17, 1.1)

> > and a couple hits of pepcid if I remember or my gerd

> > is acting up, and

> > once in a while some advil if I choose to or can't

> > ignore my joint pain.

> >

> > If I weren't so fatigued all the time and my knees

> > and shoudler joints

> > didnt act up I'd believe I was cured.....but I

> > suppose I'd know it if I

> > stopped those meds I do take.

> > What I was saying and I guess you are too....meds

> > are good for you...

> > side effects bad... and thats where the

> > merry-go-round begins .....

> > sighh

> >

> > love jerry

> >

> >

> >