Re: another selenium question/chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was wondering about this also! Dr. Greene (he's an endo and a

ob/gyn doc), in his book Perfect Hormone Balance for Pregnancy says that taking

200 mcg of selenium each day can reduce thyroid antibody formation by about

half. Unfortunately, , it just says that " studies have shown " this, but it

doesn't say what studies. He suggests eating two to three Brazil nuts every 2

days, which provides you with 300 to 400 mcg of selenium.

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: Hi Chuck,

I know you said you take 200mcg of selenium but I don't believe it was every

day, right?

In the book I posted by Dr. Ridha Arem, he states that too much may cause many

undesirable effects, including fatigue, abdominal pain, diarrhea, nerve damage

and even

infertility. Too much can also damage our thyroid. He recommends 50mcg daily,

saying it

will provide significant antioxidant activity. Have you heard any other reports

on this?

Venizia

[Guest guest]

Venizia,

You wrote:

> .... Have you heard any other

> reports on this?

Yes, there was a recent report in the national news that said that more

than 100 mg of selenium per day doubled the risk of Type II diabetes.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Was that 100mg or 100 mcg?

Venizia

> > .... Have you heard any other

> > reports on this?

>

> Yes, there was a recent report in the national news that said that more

> than 100 mg of selenium per day doubled the risk of Type II diabetes.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

give me a break. selenium doesn't cause diabetes, yikes.

i think some of these reports are big pharma fear mongering.

" Be very afraid of all supplements, especially iodine " .

Gracia

Venizia,

You wrote:

> .... Have you heard any other

> reports on this?

Yes, there was a recent report in the national news that said that more

than 100 mg of selenium per day doubled the risk of Type II diabetes.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I did a google search and found this report. I have not had the chance to read

all the other

reports sited here but I bookmarked it because I think it should be helpful to

read but for

now I have run out of time.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687

Hope this helps us!

Venizia

Hi Chuck,

>

> I know you said you take 200mcg of selenium but I don't believe it was every

day, right?

> In the book I posted by Dr. Ridha Arem, he states that too much may cause many

> undesirable effects, including fatigue, abdominal pain, diarrhea, nerve damage

and even

> infertility. Too much can also damage our thyroid. He recommends 50mcg daily,

saying

it

> will provide significant antioxidant activity. Have you heard any other

reports on this?

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Hi, I was wondering about this also! Dr. Greene ... He suggests eating

> two to three Brazil nuts every 2 days, which provides you with 300 to

> 400 mcg of selenium.

I wouldn't trust him to splint a sprain. Brazil nuts have been known to

be extremely rich in radium since the 1950s, about the most radioactive

food on the planet. Here is a short blurb with citations from Oak Ridge

Associated Universities:

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer%20products/brazilnuts.htm

A steady diet of these nuts will cause you to glow in the dark,

seriously. Radium settles in the bones and has a very long biological

half life. It is an alpha emitter that heads a chain of six other alpha

emitters, the gift that keeps on giving. It is both a chemically toxic

heavy metal and a potent carcinogen. However, they are " natural, " just

like dessicated, concentrated pig glands.

I'm sure you can find a safer source of selenium.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

> give me a break. selenium doesn't cause diabetes, yikes.

> i think some of these reports are big pharma fear mongering.

> " Be very afraid of all supplements, especially iodine " .

This particular conspiracy is supported by Dr. Weil, who about as

anti-establishment, hippy-dippy, as you can get. Remember, he's the one

that went to the rain forest in search of hallucinogenic mushrooms and

frogs:

http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/forums/thread.html?docid=THR44302 & catid=582

ABC News is obviously on the Big Pharma payroll:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/Story?id=3360328 & page=1

As are those evil bastards at the ls of Internal Medicine:

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/0000605-200708210-00177v1

EDITORIAL

Selenium and Diabetes: More Bad News for Supplements

Joachim Bleys, MD, MPH; Ana Navas-Acien, MD, PhD; and Eliseo Guallar,

MD, DrPH

21 August 2007 | Volume 147 Issue 4

In this issue, Stranges and colleagues (1) report findings from the

Nutritional Prevention of Cancer (NPC) trial that show an increased risk

for diabetes among participants randomly assigned to receive supplements

with 200 µg of selenium daily for 7.7 years compared with placebo. This

effect was largely limited to participants in the top tertile of plasma

selenium level at baseline (>121.6 ng/mL). In this group, the hazard

ratio for incident diabetes in persons using selenium supplements

compared with placebo was 2.70 (95% CI, 1.30 to 5.61). The NPC trial is

the largest and longest available experimental study of selenium

supplements compared with placebo. Although diabetes was not a primary

end point of the trial and the investigators used self-report and

medical records to assign the diagnosis, the results have credibility

because of the randomized, double-blind design; the monitoring of

baseline and follow-up plasma selenium levels; and other methodological

strengths. The public health implications of these findings are

substantial: More than 1% of the U.S. population take selenium

supplements, and more than 35% take multivitamin and multimineral

supplements (2) that often contain selenium.

-Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

Are you saying that it was supposed to read 200mcg can create diabetes not

100mg/mcg?

Sorry is I sound confused.

You are forgiven.....everyone is entitled to error occasionally......from what I

have read, you

don't do it often.

Venizia

> >

> > Was that 100mg or 100 mcg?

>

> It was a test to see if anyone was paying attention.

>

> Sorry, I keep thinking of elemental iodine whenever we mention selenium.

> The units are mcg. However, the threshold for diabetes problems should

> be 200 mcg, not 100.

>

> If any of you died today attempting to eat 1,000 selenium tablets,

> please send me the bill.

>

> Mea maxima culpa.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck, thanks, as always, your wisdom is GREATLY appreciated. Besides, it would

probably scare my kids if I started glowing

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

>

>

> Hi, I was wondering about this also! Dr. Greene ... He suggests eating

> two to three Brazil nuts every 2 days, which provides you with 300 to

> 400 mcg of selenium.

I wouldn't trust him to splint a sprain. Brazil nuts have been known to

be extremely rich in radium since the 1950s, about the most radioactive

food on the planet. Here is a short blurb with citations from Oak Ridge

Associated Universities:

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer%20products/brazilnuts.htm

A steady diet of these nuts will cause you to glow in the dark,

seriously. Radium settles in the bones and has a very long biological

half life. It is an alpha emitter that heads a chain of six other alpha

emitters, the gift that keeps on giving. It is both a chemically toxic

heavy metal and a potent carcinogen. However, they are " natural, " just

like dessicated, concentrated pig glands.

I'm sure you can find a safer source of selenium.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

I also have antibodies and from the book (The Thyroid Solution, by Dr. Arem) I

am reading

he suggests 50mcg daily. I think I might try that then get my antibodies

checked after a

while and see if it makes any difference. 'Tis a puzzle.

Good luck to you. Let us know how you are doing too.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Alaniz <anadonalaniz@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Venizia, interesting report. Thanks for sending it my way. My thyroid is

actually

inflamed right now due to antibodies. As Chuck recommends, I'll continue to use

the

selenium I can get from the bottle (rather than nuts). Maybe it'll help!

> -

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[Guest guest]

OMG

brazil nuts are radioactive?

I could not eat 2-3 brazil nuts every 2 days, I would just eat the whole bag.

they are yummy.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Hi, I was wondering about this also! Dr. Greene ... He suggests

eating

> two to three Brazil nuts every 2 days, which provides you with 300 to

> 400 mcg of selenium.

I wouldn't trust him to splint a sprain. Brazil nuts have been known to

be extremely rich in radium since the 1950s, about the most radioactive

food on the planet. Here is a short blurb with citations from Oak Ridge

Associated Universities:

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer%20products/brazilnuts.htm

A steady diet of these nuts will cause you to glow in the dark,

seriously. Radium settles in the bones and has a very long biological

half life. It is an alpha emitter that heads a chain of six other alpha

emitters, the gift that keeps on giving. It is both a chemically toxic

heavy metal and a potent carcinogen. However, they are " natural, " just

like dessicated, concentrated pig glands.

I'm sure you can find a safer source of selenium.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Did you check out the link at the bottom of the page

Radioactive Consumer Products

Everything is radioactive. The question is, " How radioactive? "

-- Re: another selenium question/chuck

OMG

brazil nuts are radioactive?

I could not eat 2-3 brazil nuts every 2 days, I would just eat the whole

bag. they are yummy.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Hi, I was wondering about this also! Dr. Greene ... He suggests

eating

> two to three Brazil nuts every 2 days, which provides you with 300 to

> 400 mcg of selenium.

I wouldn't trust him to splint a sprain. Brazil nuts have been known to

be extremely rich in radium since the 1950s, about the most radioactive

food on the planet. Here is a short blurb with citations from Oak Ridge

Associated Universities:

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer%20products/brazilnuts.htm

A steady diet of these nuts will cause you to glow in the dark,

seriously. Radium settles in the bones and has a very long biological

half life. It is an alpha emitter that heads a chain of six other alpha

emitters, the gift that keeps on giving. It is both a chemically toxic

heavy metal and a potent carcinogen. However, they are " natural, " just

like dessicated, concentrated pig glands.

I'm sure you can find a safer source of selenium.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

I went on your site about the radioactivity of Brazil nuts and found this:

" Gabay and Sax (1969) determined that most of the radium of ingested

Brazil nuts was not retained by the body. "

Do you know what " most " means in this context? I also wonder what the body

load would be if one ate one or two a day.

In the places where these are grown, I suppose people would eat more than one

or two a day. Are these people glowing? Has anyone studied this?

Pat

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