Re: Question about Thyroid Med and Adrenal Issues.

[Guest guest]

I know my doctor believes in and diagnoses AF. He realized after last winter

that I was once again dangerously close to not just fatigue, but failure from

the stress of all the serious illness. Not all doctors DO believe in it, though,

so that is where the problems come in. Most allopathic doctors will only

diagnose s or Cushings. ly, common sense tells me why on earth would

you wait until a patient is that far gone, when you can diagnose and treat the

lesser problem BEFORE it becomes a crisis?

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

 

[Guest guest]

Actually the ³problem² for me comes in with the Insurance

Companies who will not pay to treat AF since it¹s not been

recognized and declared a disease by the AMA sticking me with the bills for

all AF related testing.

UNLESS the doctors are smart and good enough to use words like Cushings or

s....

Sue

On 10/9/08 7:32 AM, " F. " <cccquilter@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I know my doctor believes in and diagnoses AF. He realized after last winter

> that I was once again dangerously close to not just fatigue, but failure from

> the stress of all the serious illness. Not all doctors DO believe in it,

> though, so that is where the problems come in. Most allopathic doctors will

> only diagnose s or Cushings. ly, common sense tells me why on

> earth would you wait until a patient is that far gone, when you can diagnose

> and treat the lesser problem BEFORE it becomes a crisis?

>

> F.

[Guest guest]

Adrenal fatigue is controversial. Here's a link and some info from

Wikipedia:

..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_fatigue

..

Quote:

..

Adrenal fatigue is putative health disorder in which the adrenal glands

are exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones,

primarily [cortisol]], the stress hormone of the body. Adrenal fatigue

is not a recognized medical diagnosis. [1] General practitioners and

psychologists routinely ascribe other causes, frequently psychological,

for the symptoms commonly ascribed to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal fatigue

is recognized by alternative medicine practitioners, and the suffering

of many people has given rise to an industry of supplements and

treatments for this supposed syndrome.

There is considerable confusion regarding the relation of this putative

disorder to another poorly understood syndrome, chronic fatigue

syndrome. The two may have common symptoms and it is difficult to

distinguish them.

..

End of quote.

I found one list that states that 99% of women tested complaining of

fatigue and other symptoms usually associated with adrenal fatigue

tested positive. Typically such a site will be trying to sell you a

product for which there is no credible support of its effectiveness. Beware.

..

..

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Question%20about%20Thyroid\

%20Med%20and%20Adrenal%20Issues%2E>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:22 pm (PDT)

>

> As I said, my doctors say as do my insurance compnay, and as did I request

> ³rule out and/or check for² addisons and cushings ‹ if Adrenal fatigue is

> now a bonafide ³disease² that¹s great news.

>

> Do you have link to where I can read about it? I would love to see

> where AF

> is now a bonafide treatable disease ‹ this will open doors for so many

> of us

> suffering from it.

[Guest guest]

-

We providers can and do put adrenal fatigue as a diagnosis. I write adrenal

fatigue; rule out and crushing. That way the insurance company will

pay. As long as you document your findings in the chart, you can write that

as a working diagnosis.

Look Fibromyalgia was controversial too in the beginning and in some places

it still is, but we still wrote the diagnosis down. Same thing with chronic

fatigue; epstein barr; etc.

That is the way in medicine. Eventually everyone gets on the same page.

Nancie

-- Re: Question about Thyroid Med and Adrenal Issues.

Adrenal fatigue is controversial. Here's a link and some info from

Wikipedia:

..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_fatigue

..

Quote:

..

Adrenal fatigue is putative health disorder in which the adrenal glands

are exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones,

primarily [cortisol]], the stress hormone of the body. Adrenal fatigue

is not a recognized medical diagnosis. [1] General practitioners and

psychologists routinely ascribe other causes, frequently psychological,

for the symptoms commonly ascribed to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal fatigue

is recognized by alternative medicine practitioners, and the suffering

of many people has given rise to an industry of supplements and

treatments for this supposed syndrome.

There is considerable confusion regarding the relation of this putative

disorder to another poorly understood syndrome, chronic fatigue

syndrome. The two may have common symptoms and it is difficult to

distinguish them.

..

End of quote.

I found one list that states that 99% of women tested complaining of

fatigue and other symptoms usually associated with adrenal fatigue

tested positive. Typically such a site will be trying to sell you a

product for which there is no credible support of its effectiveness. Beware.

..

..

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

> <mailto:eastodurango@earthlink

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Question%20about%20Thyroid%20Med%20and%20Adrenal%20Iss

es%2E>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:22 pm (PDT)

>

> As I said, my doctors say as do my insurance compnay, and as did I request

> ³rule out and/or check for² addisons and cushings ‹ if Adrenal fatigue is

> now a bonafide ³disease² that¹s great news.

>

> Do you have link to where I can read about it? I would love to see

> where AF

> is now a bonafide treatable disease ‹ this will open doors for so many

> of us

> suffering from it.

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[Guest guest]

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I believe in adrenal fatigue and I use that as a diagnosis. I do try and

rule out the others just so that the diagnosis of AF stands up to scrutiny

by others who are less informed.

Nancie

-- Re: Question about Thyroid Med and Adrenal Issues.

I know my doctor believes in and diagnoses AF. He realized after last winter

that I was once again dangerously close to not just fatigue, but failure

from the stress of all the serious illness. Not all doctors DO believe in it

though, so that is where the problems come in. Most allopathic doctors will

only diagnose s or Cushings. ly, common sense tells me why on

earth would you wait until a patient is that far gone, when you can diagnose

and treat the lesser problem BEFORE it becomes a crisis?

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[Guest guest]

Well, , my doctor didn't try to sell me anything. He told me what I needed

to do - he gave me the protocol and I found what I needed on my own. Allopathic

docs may not believe in this, but then many don't employ what their forebears

did - common sense and observation. Instead they rely on test results, using

ranges that may not be accurate for everyone. My doctor realized I was in the

danger zone again from the stress of the repeated illness and told me what I

needed to do. I obtained the supplements I needed, he wrote the script for HC,

and I am well on the way to recovery.

 

Years ago, when we were undergoing severe and repeated stress, my chiro told me

I was in danger of AF, but I didn't understand it at the time and didn't pursue

it. As I result, I crashed and it took a lot to recover, but I did with the help

of several people and no help from doctors. I had to do my own research, and was

able to put together a protocol for my own recovery. It was successful, but a

year ago I hit another bump in the road and am back on my recovery protocol. I

had to learn that AF was real the hard way.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

 

[Guest guest]

Well, , I have Adrenal Fatigue -- it can be tested readily with

cortisol readings -- taken via saliva 4x throughout a day and/or with a 24

hour urine cortisol reading.

I have had both these done and my adrenals were producing insufficient

cortisol.

When this happens, tests are done to look for or rule our 's disease

and when cortisol is high, to rule out Cushings.

One must be careful not to pursue Adrenal Fatigue and ideally should begin

to treat adrenals well before thryoid treatment begins as thryroid hormone

can further aggravate the adrenals.

Sue

On 10/9/08 8:54 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

> Adrenal fatigue is controversial. Here's a link and some info from

>

> There is considerable confusion regarding the relation of this putative

> disorder to another poorly understood syndrome, chronic fatigue

> syndrome. The two may have common symptoms and it is difficult to

> distinguish them.

> .

> End of quote.

>

> I found one list that states that 99% of women tested complaining of

> fatigue and other symptoms usually associated with adrenal fatigue

> tested positive. Typically such a site will be trying to sell you a

> product for which there is no credible support of its effectiveness. Beware.

>

>

> .

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

As I said, it is controversial. Mostly it is alternative care providers

who tend to be more likely to utilize the specific words " adrenal

fatigue " , while traditional allopathic doctors would do so at a lesser

degree. I suspect an allopathic doctor would tend more to label it as

" sub-clinical 's disease " but I don't know that. As a matter of

fact I know basically nothing about it other than what little I've read.

As for " everyone getting on the same page " , I don't think that's

likely. However, if the insurance companies start paying for it [by

name] that will be a tremendous boost in that direction.

Regards,

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..

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Question%20about%20Thyroid%20Med%2\

0and%20Adrenal%20Issues%2E>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Thu Oct 9, 2008 8:12 pm (PDT)

>

> -

> We providers can and do put adrenal fatigue as a diagnosis. I write

> adrenal

> fatigue; rule out and crushing. That way the insurance company

> will

> pay. As long as you document your findings in the chart, you can write

> that

> as a working diagnosis.

> Look Fibromyalgia was controversial too in the beginning and in some

> places

> it still is, but we still wrote the diagnosis down. Same thing with

> chronic

> fatigue; epstein barr; etc.

> That is the way in medicine. Eventually everyone gets on the same page.

> Nancie

[Guest guest]

What ICD-9 code do you use for adrenal fatigue itself?

sue

On 10/10/08 12:59 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> -

> I believe in adrenal fatigue and I use that as a diagnosis. I do try and

> rule out the others just so that the diagnosis of AF stands up to scrutiny

> by others who are less informed.

> Nancie

>

[Guest guest]

,

Glad to hear you can report success ‹ it is a tough one to diagnosis and

even tougher to fix.

I have been on the Schwarzbein Protocol since June with a bit of TCM thrown

in to use herbs vs HC for my adrenal healing.

I feel I have made great strides in 4 months but it¹s a lot of lifestyle

changes ‹ just working less, sleeping more, stressing less and relaxing more

deeply ‹ then the eating ­ no sugars, no artificial anything and the

exercise at the right amounts is tough enough...

I take Aswagandah and Rehmania ‹ both are natural herbs and help the body

adapt to stress, while Ashwagandah also works to help thyroid function.

Sue

On 10/10/08 7:45 AM, " F. " <cccquilter@...> wrote:

> I had to do my own research, and was able to put together a protocol for my

> own recovery. It was successful, but a year ago I hit another bump in the road

> and am back on my recovery protocol. I had to learn that AF was real the hard

> way.

[Guest guest]

No question that you should know better than I what your condition is.

My point was that for any test of potential sufferers of any condition

to give a 99% positive result is incredibly unlikely to be accurate.

Unless it has already been determined to that certainty that the

condition exists; in which case the test hardly seems worthwhile.

A good example it the iodine loading tests, in which over 90% of those

taking the tests show iodine deficiency. That fact alone tells you it's

a quack process if you know how _real_ testing is carried out.

As for your having adrenal fatigue, it really is a matter of semantics.

For a doctor who does not recognize adrenal fatigue as a valid condition

then his diagnose would be something else. My guess at sub-clinical

's is just that: A guess. Yet you would have the same condition

that you and an alternative practitioner who recognizes adrenal fatigue

agree upon.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Question%20about%20Thyroid\

%20Med%20and%20Adrenal%20Issues%2E>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:19 am (PDT)

>

> Well, , I have Adrenal Fatigue -- it can be tested readily with

> cortisol readings -- taken via saliva 4x throughout a day and/or with a 24

> hour urine cortisol reading.

>

> I have had both these done and my adrenals were producing insufficient

> cortisol.

>

> When this happens, tests are done to look for or rule our 's

> disease

> and when cortisol is high, to rule out Cushings.

>

> One must be careful not to pursue Adrenal Fatigue and ideally should begin

> to treat adrenals well before thryoid treatment begins as thryroid hormone

> can further aggravate the adrenals.

>

> Sue

>

> On 10/9/08 8:54 PM, " " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

>

> > Adrenal fatigue is controversial. Here's a link and some info from

> >

> > There is considerable confusion regarding the relation of this putative

> > disorder to another poorly understood syndrome, chronic fatigue

> > syndrome. The two may have common symptoms and it is difficult to

> > distinguish them.

> > .

> > End of quote.

> >

> > I found one list that states that 99% of women tested complaining of

> > fatigue and other symptoms usually associated with adrenal fatigue

> > tested positive. Typically such a site will be trying to sell you a

> > product for which there is no credible support of its effectiveness.

> Beware.

> >

> >

> > .

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What we humans ³call things² has no bearing

at all as to what they actually are.

So I really don¹t concern myself with what

any doctor may call it, as long as I know what it is,

how to treat it and make sure it¹s ³called the right thing² to have

Insurance cover it.

Sue

On 10/11/08 6:05 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> As for your having adrenal fatigue, it really is a matter of semantics.

> For a doctor who does not recognize adrenal fatigue as a valid condition

> then his diagnose would be something else. My guess at sub-clinical

> 's is just that: A guess. Yet you would have the same condition

> that you and an alternative practitioner who recognizes adrenal fatigue

> agree upon.

>

>