Re: Re: How useful is T-3 supplementation? (with a rant of s...

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Herbal remedies get a bum rap because of all the people who make major

claims about them that aren't true(you'll lose 100 pounds in one day etc.) even

though herbal remedies do work for other things. Also, people have an all or

nothing view a lot to times and if you believe that herbal remedies work, then

some how your not believing in modern medicine. At least that's how I see it.

I also believe that many pharmaceutical are nothing more than herbal

remedies, just packaged in a new recipe. I believe both have a place and I'm

grateful for them both.

In a message dated 5/10/2008 11:33:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

sweetnwright@... writes:

I totally agree. Once again it is from " experience " that I can say herbal

remedies work. We use herbal remedies for everything like ear infections,

strep, common colds, etc. My 3 year old has only been to the doctor once

and that is so we could establish her as a patient. She has had her share

of illnesses, but we fight them naturally with herbs and other natural

remedies (same goes for my other 4 children). It is crazy not to think this

Earth doesn't have plenty of ways to help our bodies fight disease. Chinese

medicine has been around for thousands of years. If things didn't work they

wouldn't still be being used.

cw

-- Re: How useful is T-3 supplementation? (with a

rant of sorts)...

The internet is FULL of people recommending things that have little

to no PROOF. Many of the herbal/natural supplement studies(and

almost all homeopathic studies!) that folks rely on are European

studies of very low quality, often conducted by practiconers who

benefit from showing a " positive " outcome to the research. It seems

as if something is repeated enough it becomes true in many peoples

minds. And people are spending BILLIONS of dollars on bogus

treatments. The Placebo Effect Rules!

Also, much research that looks to be of good quality (double blind,

etc)

is written up falsely to give an impression that differs from what

the actual numbers found. It is a bad practice to read the

summaries of studies, and not look into the methodology and

at the math. But it is not always easy for a lay person to have

access to full research papers.

Many drugs are approved and sold that are shown to help only a

minority (e.g. 20%) of patients. We are all so different that the

only way to know is to try...

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> ,

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> I haven't gotten to the study you mention Chuck cited yet, or I

accidentally overlooked

> it. But I've never had the impression--and we don't have much

more than impressions

> and personal experience to work on here--that Armour works best

for more than perhaps

> 10-20 percent of hypos. Even that is an arbitrary figure, but I

suspect it is just as

> defensible as any far greater one.

>

> I can't help wondering if there are people on this list who tried

Armour first, and

> didn't get satisfactory results--or who tried it after " everything

else " and didn't

> find it was any better, if even as good, for them? I'm not saying

for a moment that it

> isn't best for some people--and I do want to make sure I have a

doc who will let me try

> it in due course. But I get the impression from a lot of list

members that they think

> because it has worked best for them, it should be the drug of

choice for everyone.

> Unfortunately, just because the " synthetic " companies have

probably tried to badmouth

> it, just as the branded synthetics must try to badmouth the

generic-makers (companies

> DO this all the time), doesn't translate into Armour being always

or even usually the

> unfairly suppressed choice--even though those who ultimately find

it best WILL probably

> find that the route to it was filled with maddening obstacles.

>

> I think it's fair to say that this list probably doesn't represent

an accurate sample

> of hypo patients in general.

> It seems to me that those who got treated the " mainstream " way,

and were satisfied with

> the results (whether they should have been satisfied, who knows?)

are probably not

> online trying to find better answers for themselves.

> Those who were long undiagnosed.in a very imperfect medical system.

(and may conclude,

> rightly perhaps??, that docs who are so bad at diagnosing this

must be equally ignorant

> when prescribing)....or who took what seemed forever to find

better treatment, and who

> still are struggling with the complexities of hypo and related

conditions

> ...are more likely to be advocates of Armour in general, AND to be

on this list.

>

> But, FWIW, for someone just starting out, it's not necessarily as

helpful to hear

> dogmatic statements constantly,

> based on even less research (which is often flawed anyway) than

what most of the

> medical establishment peddles.

>

> If I go to a doc, I want to know about the full range of

reasonable treatment choices,

> and to try them in a systematic way until I find acceptable

relieft...or conclude that

> none will help past a certain point...or figure there must be

other hormones, or body

> systems, or conditions that are keeping any T-meds from doing

their best.

> Granted, even a doc like my internist, who spent 40 minutes with

me the other day--and

> we still didn't cover everything--is only part of the answer. He

readily admits how

> relatively little he knows--and how so much from med school isn't

valid today. So that

> has left me, from even before I went to him for this diagnosis, to

research this

> myself. But that comes natural to me, and I would do it anyway.

I just think it

> would be helpful if some people on this list would tend to speak

only in absolute

> terms, as if what THEY have found (and is apparently

> " right " for them) is therefore right and true and accurate, and

also the best answer

> for everyone else.

>

> As one example--and probably not even the best one....Someone who

has lost their

> thyroid may, indeed, need iodine supplements. I don't know. But,

if so, that doesn't

> mean they are right or even safe for others. Or that a dose that

works for one person

> is effective and safe for someone else.

>

> Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I hope at least it's a

reasonable rant. I haven't

> not meant to offend anyone, and certainly no one in particular.

But sometimes it

> helps to stop for a moment, and " meta-communicate " (it's one of

those 50-cent words I

> picked up in my PR work, meaning " to communicate about

communicating. " I hope some of

> what I've observed has some value. And I DO value the list in

general. The difficulty

> for me starts when ideas and suggestions morph into pressure and

dogma.

>

> Thanks,

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