Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid pills!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am confused. Are you taking synthroid or levoxyl or are you just taking

thyroid supplements from something like a health food store? If so I think you

are wasting your health and money. If you are taking synthroid, synthroid has

sulfites in it. After taking synthroid for over 20yrs and never feeling good, I

found out I have a sulfite sensitivity. I then went to Armour thyroid and I also

tried naturethroid. Because of a Reverse T3 problem I am now just taking T3only.

But when on synthroid it caused me problems because of the sulfites. I think we

need you to clarify what you are actually taking.

Venizia

>

> Hi,

>

> I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows about

switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a natural

bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

>

> I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the suspected

(allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium Stearate.

I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching over to

that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support my

system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case anyone

happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as a

vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

>

> Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an allergic

response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other fillers or

anything...would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venizia,

I'm taking Synthroid,.05 mg, as prescribed by my doctor. I am not a happy

camper. I didn't know about the sulfites, that's interesting.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. As I mentioned, I ordered online

Standard Process brand of bovine gland (with the thyroxine taken out, I just

found out) as a thyroid booster, and am seriously considering taking myself off

of the prescription drug, and doing the things I talked about.

Thanks,

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows about

switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a natural

bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> >

> > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the

suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium

Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching

over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support

my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case

anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as

a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> >

> > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an allergic

response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other fillers or

anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venizia,

I apologize if this is my second response--I can't find it anywhere and think it

somehow didn't get sent.

Yes, I have been taking prescription medicine (that was what I meant by

synthetic), most recently Synthroid .05mg, and I am not a happy camper.

Interesting to know about sulfites.

Any recommendations would be much appreciated. Thanks,

________________________________

From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:14:16 PM

Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid pills!

Hi ,

I am confused. Are you taking synthroid or levoxyl or are you just taking

thyroid supplements from something like a health food store? If so I think you

are wasting your health and money. If you are taking synthroid, synthroid has

sulfites in it. After taking synthroid for over 20yrs and never feeling good, I

found out I have a sulfite sensitivity. I then went to Armour thyroid and I also

tried naturethroid. Because of a Reverse T3 problem I am now just taking T3only.

But when on synthroid it caused me problems because of the sulfites. I think we

need you to clarify what you are actually taking.

Venizia

>

> Hi,

>

> I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows about

switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a natural

bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was

available, now they're saying (at Kaiser) that it's basically in my head.

(Exact words are, " I don't think it's the medicine. Wait for it to go away on

its own as these things usually do. " After months of these symptoms, I don't

buy that! It's not my real doctor talking anyway, she's been on vacation, and

the other doctors have not been too anxious to cover for her. For example, when

I first called, I was told to go in, and that doctor just threw papers at me for

a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and quickly left the room without even addressing

the question that brought me in!)

>

> I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the suspected

(allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium Stearate.

I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching over to

that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support my

system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case anyone

happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as a

vitamin/mineral/ amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

>

> Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an allergic

response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other fillers or

anything...would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

> glandular supplements and knows about dosage,...

While an allergic reaction is a definite possibility, you might also

keep in mind that hives and headache can come from hypoT itself. You

might simply be under dosed, an all too common occurrence. What were

your last test results?

The equivalence in dosage could be anywhere from 70 to 100 mg of

dessicated gland to 100 mcg of T4. It might be outside that range for

someone with allergic reactions, since that can inhibit absorption.

Dosage varies so much, because absorption of the T4 varies for

individuals. I would suggest you start out low and gradually increase.

There are protocols on the web for doing that.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I would suggest you join the sulfitesnomore if you think you

might have a sulfite problem. Do you ever notice reactions when eating certain

foods or beverages? I was on synthroid for over 20yrs and felt awful on it

until I figured out it was the sulfites. I had a puffy face all the time and

numerous other issues that are gone now. Right now I am only on T3 (cytomel) but

that is another long story I will not go into now.

I think you might be wasting your money taking the supplement you are

considering. Chuck, in this group knows more about that. Hopefully he will see

your post and can elaborate but in the past I think it was commented that it

does not have in it what we really need with we are

hypothyroid. You can go to levoxyl. I know that does not have sulfites. Or you

can try Naturethroid which is prescription. Also Armour is another one but many

are having problems with it since they reformulated it. Which is also causing

shortages of Naturethroid because many are using IT instead.

Are you seeing an endo or other doctor. Sorry I do not remember.

Venizia

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows about

switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a natural

bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> > >

> > > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the

suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium

Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching

over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support

my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case

anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as

a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> > >

> > > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an allergic

response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other fillers or

anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Chuck! I should have mentioned that labs done recently showed that

my thyroid levels were fine.

At this point I'm really not sure which brand to go for: the " Standard Process "

brand I just found out is technically a food supplement, because they removed

the thyroxine from the cow's thyoid gland. I guess it would just support my

thyroid function. Naturethroid (sp?) has the common filler Microcrystalline

Cellulose, which I suspect I'm allergic to (since I feel a little better after

cutting out vitamins and Levothroid which contained it. I'm on Synthroid now.)

But I really don't know what's going on, I switched to Synthroid so recently and

I'm still having some itching and headaches.

I appreciate your help!

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

> > glandular supplements and knows about dosage,...

>

> While an allergic reaction is a definite possibility, you might also

> keep in mind that hives and headache can come from hypoT itself. You

> might simply be under dosed, an all too common occurrence. What were

> your last test results?

>

> The equivalence in dosage could be anywhere from 70 to 100 mg of

> dessicated gland to 100 mcg of T4. It might be outside that range for

> someone with allergic reactions, since that can inhibit absorption.

> Dosage varies so much, because absorption of the T4 varies for

> individuals. I would suggest you start out low and gradually increase.

> There are protocols on the web for doing that.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venizia,

Thanks for your thoughts. From what you said it doesn't sound like I'm having a

sulfite problem (no facial swelling or reactions to foods that I can think of.)

I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by all the info on the two groups (this one and

naturalthyroid)so I think that based on what you've said I can probably rule out

sulfites.

Based on what the pharmacist told me about the filler Microcrystallline

Cellulose when I shared my symptoms, as well as the improvement I noticed

cutting out all other vitamins which contain it, it seems to be that, though I'm

really not sure because it has not been that long and also I'm still not feeling

that great. The pharmacist also said that the synthetic thyoid supplement

itself can produce those reactions. Anyway, the reason I'm saying all this is

that unfortunately Naturethroid has Microcrystalline Cellulose in it as a filler

(it's very common) along with most of the brands I've looked at. (I just

researched levoxyl and found out the same thing.)

I got a response from Chuck as well. It sounds like there's a lot to know!

Thanks for everything, and sorry to be a difficult case!,

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows about

switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a natural

bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> > > >

> > > > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the

suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium

Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching

over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support

my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case

anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as

a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> > > >

> > > > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to natural

glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an allergic

response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other fillers or

anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

So glad to hear you do not think it is sulfites. It is a very difficult

situation to work through. That is very interesting about the cellulose. I wish

you luck, you will get there eventually. Keep us posted on your progress!!

Venizia

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows

about switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a

natural bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> > > > >

> > > > > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the

suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium

Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching

over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support

my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case

anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as

a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to

natural glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an

allergic response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other

fillers or anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If your body cannot produce T4/T3 and you do not get it from another

source you will die. That will take a while, during which time your

body will suffer possibly massive damage that may be difficult to

correct should you once again start the T4/T3.

Whatever you do, PLEASE get T4/T3.

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " coolidge_rebecca " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:39 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Hi Venizia,

>

> I'm taking Synthroid,.05 mg, as prescribed by my doctor. I am not a

> happy camper. I didn't know about the sulfites, that's interesting.

>

> Any recommendations would be appreciated. As I mentioned, I ordered

> online Standard Process brand of bovine gland (with the thyroxine

> taken out, I just found out) as a thyroid booster, and am seriously

> considering taking myself off of the prescription drug, and doing the

> things I talked about.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Thank you, Chuck! I should have mentioned that labs done recently showed

> that my thyroid levels were fine....

I think you did, but " fine " is sufficiently vague as to be completely

meaningless. In the UK, for example, any TSH under 10 would be deemed

within range and not warranting treatment. Most doctors in the US will

start treatment now with a TSH above 4, even though the top of the

reference range may be higher than that.

Please tell us which tests, specific results and the reference ranges.

Anything less than that, and you are basically asking us to guess.

I agree with , that you would get more thyroid hormones from a rare

steak than from the Standard Process stuff you are considering. If you

really are hypoT, you need to treat with real replacement hormones, not

nutritious neck tissue.

Thanks,

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi, . Please see comments below...

..

..

>

> Posted by: " coolidge_rebecca " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:54 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Thank you, Chuck! I should have mentioned that labs done recently

> showed that my thyroid levels were fine.

..

..

Test results must be evaluated; what one person/doctor may consider

" fine " may be considered a disaster by someone else. Please provide

your lab results, and be sure to include the ranges of that lab, as they

vary from lab to lab. Many here will look for different results than

will many doctors; especially those who only look at TSH. Many here and

elsewhere report problems while TSH is within the " norm " . Whatever that

is. People here ask for lab results [and ranges] in order to help.

..

..

>

> At this point I'm really not sure which brand to go for: the " Standard

> Process " brand I just found out is technically a food supplement,

> because they removed the thyroxine from the cow's thyoid gland. I

> guess it would just support my thyroid function.

..

..

The only established support such concoctions provide are to the bank

account of whoever is selling it to you. If you have unlimited funds I

guess it doesn't matter to you; but it won't help. And it could harm if

you delay getting _real_ help thinking this is going to do the trick.

..

..

> Naturethroid (sp?) has the common filler Microcrystalline Cellulose,

> which I suspect I'm allergic to (since I feel a little better after

> cutting out vitamins and Levothroid which contained it. I'm on

> Synthroid now.) But I really don't know what's going on, I switched to

> Synthroid so recently and I'm still having some itching and headaches.

..

..

I guess the fillers and so on could possibly cause such reactions in

some tiny percentage of people. The active ingredients [T4 and T3] in

all of the medications are AFAIK bioidentical, so it couldn't seem to be

that.

Luck,

..

..

>

> I appreciate your help!

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your pharmacist does not know that the T4 in Synthroid is

bioidentical to that produced by a healthy body [as well as to all the

replacements that I know of] then I would suggest you NOT consider that

source for advice. However, it's possible there was a communication

problem.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " coolidge_rebecca " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:10 pm (PDT)

>

>

> The pharmacist also said that the synthetic thyoid supplement itself

> can produce those reactions.

[Guest guest]

Sorry; IMHO is " In My Humble Opinion " .

Again, sorry: There are no supplements that will heal an ailing

thyroid gland as far as I know. You have to have T4/T3 [you body makes

T3 from T4] in order to live so be sure you get that if your body no

longer makes it.

I've read of allergic or similar reactions to many things but I don't

really know much about these types of allergic reactions.

Best,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Coolidge " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:13 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Sorry, what is IMHO? Do you recommend anything? I'm feeling limited by

> my (suspected) allergy to common fillers.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> ____________

> ____________________

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:46:16 PM

> Subject: Re:I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

> pills!

>

> IMHO a completely worthless product. It contains no T4 or T3 unless in

> microscopic levels. If it is made from dessicated thyroid gland then

> the active ingredients have been removed. Basically very expensive and

> not very tasty hamburger.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Venizia! I appreciate the encouragement and knowing that other people

are better!

New development: because I had asked the pharmacist to send me info about my new

brand/lab of thyroid supplement (since I suspected fillers with my itching and

headaches)I found out that I have been on Armour for about a week!! It did not

say that on the bottle. Then I finally read the info that actually came with

it. Anyway, I'm hopeful that switching to Armour might help with whatever it

was. (I had switched back to Abbott brand for a few days, trying to avoid

Microcrystalline Cellulose, and had some real fatigue!)

Thanks for everything, and I will continue to keep posted,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows

about switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a

natural bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have the

suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or Magnesium

Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of switching

over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things to support

my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in case

anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as well as

a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland, cutting out

wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided Imagery

tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid function, and

yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to

natural glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an

allergic response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other

fillers or anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm on Armour now, and hoping that will work out.

________________________________

From: <res075oh@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:01:12 AM

Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid pills!

If your body cannot produce T4/T3 and you do not get it from another

source you will die. That will take a while, during which time your

body will suffer possibly massive damage that may be difficult to

correct should you once again start the T4/T3.

Whatever you do, PLEASE get T4/T3.

Luck,

...

...

>

> Posted by: " coolidge_rebecca " coolidge_rebecca

> <mailto:coolidge_rebecca?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20I%20think%

20I%27m%20allerg ic%20to%20synthe tic%20thyroid% 20%20pills% 21>

> coolidge_rebecca <http://profiles. / coolidge_ rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:39 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Hi Venizia,

>

> I'm taking Synthroid,.05 mg, as prescribed by my doctor. I am not a

> happy camper. I didn't know about the sulfites, that's interesting.

>

> Any recommendations would be appreciated. As I mentioned, I ordered

> online Standard Process brand of bovine gland (with the thyroxine

> taken out, I just found out) as a thyroid booster, and am seriously

> considering taking myself off of the prescription drug, and doing the

> things I talked about.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

hi Chuck,

TSH .97, whatever that means, is all the info I have.

I'm on Armour now, and hoping for improvement.

Thanks,

> >

> >

> > Thank you, Chuck! I should have mentioned that labs done recently showed

> > that my thyroid levels were fine....

>

> I think you did, but " fine " is sufficiently vague as to be completely

> meaningless. In the UK, for example, any TSH under 10 would be deemed

> within range and not warranting treatment. Most doctors in the US will

> start treatment now with a TSH above 4, even though the top of the

> reference range may be higher than that.

>

> Please tell us which tests, specific results and the reference ranges.

> Anything less than that, and you are basically asking us to guess.

>

> I agree with , that you would get more thyroid hormones from a rare

> steak than from the Standard Process stuff you are considering. If you

> really are hypoT, you need to treat with real replacement hormones, not

> nutritious neck tissue.

>

> Thanks,

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the tips!

My TSH on 8/12 was .97, with the Standard Range of .10 - 5.50 uIU/mL

> .

> Test results must be evaluated; what one person/doctor may consider

> " fine " may be considered a disaster by someone else. Please provide

> your lab results, and be sure to include the ranges of that lab, as they

> vary from lab to lab. Many here will look for different results than

> will many doctors; especially those who only look at TSH. Many here and

> elsewhere report problems while TSH is within the " norm " . Whatever that

> is. People here ask for lab results [and ranges] in order to help.

> .

> .

[Guest guest]

,

I am a little concerned with the Armour. They changed their formula and put less

dextrose and added some kind of cellulose. I have a post into the NTH group to

find out for sure what they put in it instead. Please go to this link to see

what all the ingredients are in many of the thyroid medications. You may find

one there that will be ok for you.

<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/armour-vs-other-brands/>

When I get an answer from my other group about what Armour replaced the dextrose

with, I will let you know.

Venizia

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just joined this group today. I was wondering if anybody knows

about switching from synthetic thyroid supplement for hypothyroidism over to a

natural bovine glandular (I just purchased online the Standard Process brand of

Thytrophin.) My main question is about the dosage (I take .05 mg of synthetic

thyroid daily.) My problem is that I seem to be having an allergic reaction

(mainly itching with some recurring rash and hives, as well as constant

low-level headaches) that's been building over the past year since starting a

thyroid supplement to a point where I'm really not feeling well, and according

to pharmacists and some doctors it's from some of the fillers (or possibly the

medicine itself) in the thyroid pill. At first they switched brands, saying

that the Farmer's brand often produces allergic responses from its fillers, but

when I started to react to the new brand (Abbott Lab)and it became clear that I

wasn't responding well to what was available, now they're saying (at Kaiser)

that it's basically in my head. (Exact words are, " I don't think it's the

medicine. Wait for it to go away on its own as these things usually do. " After

months of these symptoms, I don't buy that! It's not my real doctor talking

anyway, she's been on vacation, and the other doctors have not been too anxious

to cover for her. For example, when I first called, I was told to go in, and

that doctor just threw papers at me for a brain X-ray, CAT scan, etc., and

quickly left the room without even addressing the question that brought me in!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've cut out all vitamins, and allergy pills too (!), that have

the suspected (allergenic) fillers in them: Microcrystalline Cellulose or

Magnesium Stearate. I've purchased the glandular pills online with the plan of

switching over to that remedy when it arrives, and I'm also doing other things

to support my system and thyroid and to calm allergies. (I'll just list them in

case anyone happens to be curious: a twice daily remedy from my homeopath as

well as a vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplement to support my thyroid gland,

cutting out wheat and dairy as much as possible and eating well, making a Guided

Imagery tape for myself to listen to often for both allergies and thyroid

function, and yoga poses to pump up the thyroid gland.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any advice from anyone who has done The Switch from synthetic to

natural glandular supplements and knows about dosage, or who has experienced an

allergic response to pharmaceuticals, or knows anything about these or other

fillers or anything...would be greatly appreciated!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

________________________________

From: <res075oh@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:23:47 AM

Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid pills!

Sorry; IMHO is " In My Humble Opinion " .

Again, sorry: There are no supplements that will heal an ailing

thyroid gland as far as I know. You have to have T4/T3 [you body makes

T3 from T4] in order to live so be sure you get that if your body no

longer makes it.

I've read of allergic or similar reactions to many things but I don't

really know much about these types of allergic reactions.

Best,

...

...

>

> Posted by: " Coolidge " coolidge_rebecca

> <mailto:coolidge_rebecca?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20I%20think%

20I%27m%20allerg ic%20to%20synthe tic%20thyroid% 20%20pills% 21>

> coolidge_rebecca <http://profiles. / coolidge_ rebecca>

>

>

> Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:13 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Sorry, what is IMHO? Do you recommend anything? I'm feeling limited by

> my (suspected) allergy to common fillers.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> ____________

> ____________ ________

> From: <res075ohverizon (DOT) net <mailto:res075oh% 40verizon. net>>

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:46:16 PM

> Subject: Re:I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

> pills!

>

> IMHO a completely worthless product. It contains no T4 or T3 unless in

> microscopic levels. If it is made from dessicated thyroid gland then

> the active ingredients have been removed. Basically very expensive and

> not very tasty hamburger.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Ok I have learned that Armour does have microcrystalline cellulose. What Armour

did was swap more dextrose for MC. You may still have a problem with it. Many

people are with Armour.

Venizia

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: <res075oh@...>

> hypothyroidism

> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:23:47 AM

> Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

pills!

>

>

> Sorry; IMHO is " In My Humble Opinion " .

>

> Again, sorry: There are no supplements that will heal an ailing

> thyroid gland as far as I know. You have to have T4/T3 [you body makes

> T3 from T4] in order to live so be sure you get that if your body no

> longer makes it.

>

> I've read of allergic or similar reactions to many things but I don't

> really know much about these types of allergic reactions.

>

> Best,

>

> ..

> ..

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Coolidge " coolidge_rebecca

> > <mailto:coolidge_rebecca?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20I%20think%

20I%27m%20allerg ic%20to%20synthe tic%20thyroid% 20%20pills% 21>

> > coolidge_rebecca <http://profiles. / coolidge_ rebecca>

> >

> >

> > Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:13 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > Sorry, what is IMHO? Do you recommend anything? I'm feeling limited by

> > my (suspected) allergy to common fillers.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > ____________

> > ____________ ________

> > From: <res075ohverizon (DOT) net <mailto:res075oh% 40verizon. net>>

> > hypothyroidism

> > <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:46:16 PM

> > Subject: Re:I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

> > pills!

> >

> > IMHO a completely worthless product. It contains no T4 or T3 unless in

> > microscopic levels. If it is made from dessicated thyroid gland then

> > the active ingredients have been removed. Basically very expensive and

> > not very tasty hamburger.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm itchy, but not sure what to do about it.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: <res075oh@>

> > hypothyroidism

> > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:23:47 AM

> > Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

pills!

> >

> >

> > Sorry; IMHO is " In My Humble Opinion " .

> >

> > Again, sorry: There are no supplements that will heal an ailing

> > thyroid gland as far as I know. You have to have T4/T3 [you body makes

> > T3 from T4] in order to live so be sure you get that if your body no

> > longer makes it.

> >

> > I've read of allergic or similar reactions to many things but I don't

> > really know much about these types of allergic reactions.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > ..

> > ..

> >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Coolidge " coolidge_rebecca

> > > <mailto:coolidge_rebecca?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20I%20think%

20I%27m%20allerg ic%20to%20synthe tic%20thyroid% 20%20pills% 21>

> > > coolidge_rebecca <http://profiles. / coolidge_ rebecca>

> > >

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:13 pm (PDT)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry, what is IMHO? Do you recommend anything? I'm feeling limited by

> > > my (suspected) allergy to common fillers.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________

> > > ____________ ________

> > > From: <res075ohverizon (DOT) net <mailto:res075oh% 40verizon. net>>

> > > hypothyroidism

> > > <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> > > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:46:16 PM

> > > Subject: Re:I think I'm allergic to synthetic thyroid

> > > pills!

> > >

> > > IMHO a completely worthless product. It contains no T4 or T3 unless in

> > > microscopic levels. If it is made from dessicated thyroid gland then

> > > the active ingredients have been removed. Basically very expensive and

> > > not very tasty hamburger.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A lot of people seem to do better on it. Good luck.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Coolidge " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:16 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> I'm on Armour now, and hoping that will work out.

>

> ____________

> ____________________

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:01:12 AM

> Subject: Re: I think I'm allergic to synthetic

> thyroid pills!

>

> If your body cannot produce T4/T3 and you do not get it from another

> source you will die. That will take a while, during which time your

> body will suffer possibly massive damage that may be difficult to

> correct should you once again start the T4/T3.

>

> Whatever you do, PLEASE get T4/T3.

>

> Luck,

>

[Guest guest]

From the standard allopathic viewpoint your TSH certainly seems fine.

But if you take T3 [which is in Armour and some other medicines] then

there is a possibility that you may need to suppress your TSH even

lower. I'm not real clear on that myself [i've never taken T3] but

others here have discussed it. In particular I believe Chuck seems to

have a good handle on it so you might discuss it with him if you

continue with Armour.

Regards,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " coolidge_rebecca " coolidge_rebecca@...

>

<mailto:coolidge_rebecca@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allerg\

ic%20to%20synthetic%20thyroid%20%20pills%21>

> coolidge_rebecca <coolidge_rebecca>

>

>

> Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:24 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the tips!

>

> My TSH on 8/12 was .97, with the Standard Range of .10 - 5.50 uIU/mL

>

>

>

> > .

> > Test results must be evaluated; what one person/doctor may consider

> > " fine " may be considered a disaster by someone else. Please provide

> > your lab results, and be sure to include the ranges of that lab, as

> they

> > vary from lab to lab. Many here will look for different results than

> > will many doctors; especially those who only look at TSH. Many here and

> > elsewhere report problems while TSH is within the " norm " . Whatever that

> > is. People here ask for lab results [and ranges] in order to help.

> > .

[Guest guest]

I've wondered more than once if using much higher numbers in the UK is a

method of rationing health care. That tends to happen with socialist

medical systems in one way or another: care is limited by such things as

this specific example, where it is simply denied that you have a health

problem [even when your TSH is twice as high as needed for treatment in

the US] and by delaying treatment [sometimes until the patient dies]. I

know that in the UK hypo patients go through holy hell even trying to

get Armour, as it is apparently not an " approved " drug. Another

convenient way to deny/limit medical care.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

>

<mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20think%20I%27m%20allergic%20to%2\

0synthetic%20thyroid%20pills%21>

> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:04 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Thank you, Chuck! I should have mentioned that labs done recently

> showed

> > that my thyroid levels were fine....

>

> I think you did, but " fine " is sufficiently vague as to be completely

> meaningless. In the UK, for example, any TSH under 10 would be deemed

> within range and not warranting treatment.