Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Gracia, I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL . I realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not good odds to me. Venizia > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > Gracia > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out adrenals. I > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty seriously. > > sue > > > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > Visit Your Group > Health > Early Detection > > Know the symptoms > > of breast cancer. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Venizia, she has a few books out, many think ³the Program² is easiest to follow but if you get ³the Scwhwarzbein Principle II² <--must be II then she go in depth in to adrenal fatigue and insulin resistance and then covers thyroid and female hormones and then goes into the proper regimen based on your category. She does ³warn² that you won¹t lose weight UNTIL you first get healthy ‹ anyone can starve themselves for awhile and get quick weight loss but she is into total and continuous healing. I lost 2 lbs so far but she says not to expect to lose weight for possibly six months until you are strong and healthy enough to exercise properly and are eating enough fiber, carbs and protein with healthy fats. sue On 8/11/08 5:53 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote: > > > > Gracia, > > I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid > madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is > doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am > reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain > and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously > right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more > than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. > I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know > I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into > this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. > I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the > truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, > isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and > read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL > <mailto:NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL%40> . I > realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick > but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not > good odds to me. > > Venizia > > > > balance in your life. > > > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women naturopaths that sound promising though. I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. Thanks Sue, Venizia > > > > > > > > > Gracia, > > > > I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid > > madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is > > doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am > > reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain > > and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously > > right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more > > than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. > > I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know > > I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into > > this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. > > I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the > > truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, > > isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and > > read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL > > <mailto:NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL%40> . I > > realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick > > but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not > > good odds to me. > > > > Venizia > > > > > > > > balance in your life. > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I tried to answer you and computer won't let me write much. #$%^ & cortef does not cause weight gain!!!!!! peeps who are telling youthis are not taking it right. I am 5' 2 " tall and about 125#. you will feel better with some sex hormones too. Gracia Gracia, I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL . I realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not good odds to me. Venizia > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > Gracia > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out adrenals. I > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty seriously. > > sue > > > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > Visit Your Group > Health > Early Detection > > Know the symptoms > > of breast cancer. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > . > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Armour does not " cause " adrenal fatigue. it exposes it. Do you have Hertoghe's book Hormone Solutions? what are those ppl smoking over at NTH? Gracia I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women naturopaths that sound promising though. I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. Thanks Sue, Venizia > > > > > > > > > Gracia, > > > > I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid > > madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is > > doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am > > reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain > > and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously > > right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more > > than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. > > I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know > > I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into > > this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. > > I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the > > truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, > > isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and > > read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL > > <mailto:NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL%40> . I > > realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick > > but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not > > good odds to me. > > > > Venizia > > > > > > > > balance in your life. > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 HI Venizia, Schwarzbein says that armour taxes the adrenals by releasing adrenaline it is a rever-upper and if you are adrenal fatigued, it can make you feel worse. But yep, your doc is on the money with the no weight loss until you get healthy so kudos to him! Sue On 8/11/08 7:51 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote: > > > > I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor > also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first > would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another > option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will > find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women > naturopaths that sound promising though. > > I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. > I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal > group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. > > Thanks Sue, > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Ya' at least my doctor got that right. OH, you were the one that stated about Armour and adrenal fatigue, Thanks for clearing that up. Venizia > > > > > > > > > I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor > > also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first > > would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another > > option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will > > find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women > > naturopaths that sound promising though. > > > > I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. > > I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal > > group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. > > > > Thanks Sue, > > Venizia > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Looks like we are all a bunch of midgets. Gracia were you ever overweight? I'm 5'1 and about 147 okay okay 150 (stupid ginger bread). I want to be around 120-125. I'm looking into adrenals now CW -- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?/Sue/Gracia I tried to answer you and computer won't let me write much. #$%^ & cortef does not cause weight gain!!!!!! peeps who are telling youthis are not taking it right. I am 5' 2 " tall and about 125#. you will feel better with some sex hormones too. Gracia Gracia, I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL . I realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not good odds to me. Venizia > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > Gracia > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out adrenals. I > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty seriously. > > sue > > > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > Visit Your Group > Health > Early Detection > > Know the symptoms > > of breast cancer. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > . > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 LOL I love a good gingerbread, I love just about anything foodwise. I looked horrible in my 30s--very swollen up. A few times I have been anorexic but always the puffy face. 30 wasted years. I was a chubby child though. Gracia Looks like we are all a bunch of midgets. Gracia were you ever overweight? I'm 5'1 and about 147 okay okay 150 (stupid ginger bread). I want to be around 120-125. I'm looking into adrenals now CW Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Healthy Living Learn to live life to the fullest on . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 cortef=HC they are the same thing. Gracia Well, I am glad to hear that if the other does not pan out. I am going to ask on the adrenal group about cortef. They do not mention it. It seems they mostly use HC. Venizia --- Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I could only tolerate 90mg Armour for a few years. I thought that was all I needed. then I started going backwards, getting weak, no stamina, sleep probs etc. A doc told me to take cortef 3X a day and that just didn't work so I quit. a year later I tried again only I used 5mg 4X a day last dose at bedtime. it worked just great. In one week I increased Armour to 4 grains and also increased estradiol. I finally felt wonderful. Gracia That¹s a good way of putting it < correct < cuz if your adrenals are non-functioning and you put in a substance that releases adrenaline it will over-tax your already beat adrenals. My mistake, thanks for clearing that up! sue On 8/11/08 8:05 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote: > > > > > Armour does not " cause " adrenal fatigue. it exposes it. Do you have > Hertoghe's book Hormone Solutions? what are those ppl smoking over at NTH? > Gracia > > I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor > also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first > would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another > option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will > find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women > naturopaths that sound promising though. > > I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. > I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal > group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. > > Thanks Sue, > Venizia > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Yeah food is my weakness. I wish I had the money to eat healthier and the family who wants to go there. For now I'm just dreaming that all happens. I wondered if you were ever big because if you were then I could have some hope after getting my adrenals fixed. I can't get past the 140 mark for the life of me. I have this 6 month pregnant belly that erks the crap out of me That's where 89% of my extra weight is. Oh and my double chin, that's hereditary. All my skinny kids have one too. CW -- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?/Sue/Gracia LOL I love a good gingerbread, I love just about anything foodwise. I looked horrible in my 30s--very swollen up. A few times I have been anorexic but always the puffy face. 30 wasted years. I was a chubby child though. Gracia Looks like we are all a bunch of midgets. Gracia were you ever overweight? I'm 5'1 and about 147 okay okay 150 (stupid ginger bread). I want to be around 120-125. I'm looking into adrenals now CW Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Healthy Living Learn to live life to the fullest on . .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Hi Gracia, I agree with some things you say, once you made a statement " it's called an endocrine SYSTEM for a reason " and I thought that was so right on, I believe all hormones must be balanced in both men and women for the best results. I don't agree in any shape or form that going from 1.5 grains to 4 grains in a week is a good idea by any stretch. The father of dissected thyroid that treated thyroid patients for almost 50 years, Dr. Broda , cautions against this time and time again in his books, so do other authors in books. There is an extreme real risk of heart attack from doing this, and STTM warns against this as well in many places in their web site. Neil Gracia wrote: > > > I could only tolerate 90mg Armour for a few years. I thought that was > all I needed. then I started going backwards, getting weak, no > stamina, sleep probs etc. A doc told me to take cortef 3X a day and > that just didn't work so I quit. a year later I tried again only I > used 5mg 4X a day last dose at bedtime. it worked just great. In one > week I increased Armour to 4 grains and also increased estradiol. I > finally felt wonderful. > Gracia > > That¹s a good way of putting it < correct < cuz if your adrenals are > non-functioning and you put in a substance that releases adrenaline it > will > over-tax your already beat adrenals. > My mistake, thanks for clearing that up! > > sue > > On 8/11/08 8:05 PM, " Gracia " <circe@... > <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Armour does not " cause " adrenal fatigue. it exposes it. Do you have > > Hertoghe's book Hormone Solutions? what are those ppl smoking over > at NTH? > > Gracia > > > > I realize I would not lose any weight. I was told that by my doctor > > also. He said that would be the last thing I would notice. The first > > would be having more energy. I am so glad to have found another > > option. Your doctor is following her protocol, don't know if I will > > find one here in Wisconsin. I was given the name of two women > > naturopaths that sound promising though. > > > > I think I read in a post today that Armour can cause adrenal fatigue. > > I want to look in that more also. A lot of the people on the adrenal > > group take Armour....wouldn't that me something. > > > > Thanks Sue, > > Venizia > > > -- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I just bought her book from amazon so it will be interesting to read what she says.... Nancie -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?/Sue/Gracia Gracia, I have read a lot about adrenal problems. I have the stop the thyroid madness book. I have to say that I would probably prefer what Sue is doing with the Schwarzbein (sp?) program because everything I am reading otherwise is telling me that I will probably have weight gain and water retention using hydrocortisone etc. which I have enormously right now and there is NO WAY being 5'2 " that I am going to weigh more than I do already....162# when I used to weight 125. I won't do it. I know I will become depressed and what good will that do me. I know I will be impossible to live with also. SO, I am going to look into this program that Sue is doing. Sounds healthier to me also. I do not like what I am reading in Janie's book and to tell you the truth, I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Go and read the posts at NaturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL . I realize those that post there are going to me the ones who are sick but when I asked how many were doing well, I only got 3 replies. Not good odds to me. Venizia > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > Gracia > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out adrenals. I > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty seriously. > > sue > > > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > Visit Your Group > Health > Early Detection > > Know the symptoms > > of breast cancer. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > . > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Nancie, Which book did you just order? Schwartzbeins or stop the thyroidmadness? Venizia > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > > Gracia > > > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out > adrenals. I > > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty > seriously. > > > > sue > > > > > > Recent Activity > > a.. 16New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Health > > Early Detection > > > > Know the symptoms > > > > of breast cancer. > > > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > > > A Group > > > > to share and learn. > > > > Sitebuilder > > Build a web site > > > > quickly & easily > > > > with Sitebuilder. > > . > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: > 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 shows how much I know. You seem to be doing much better on cortef than they are on whatever dose they are taking of HC. Why is that? Venizia > > > cortef=HC they are the same thing. > Gracia > > Well, I am glad to hear that if the other does not pan out. I am > going to ask on the adrenal group about cortef. They do not mention > it. It seems they mostly use HC. > > Venizia > > --- > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > Visit Your Group > Health > Healthy Aging > > Improve your > > quality of life. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sell Online > Start selling with > > our award-winning > > e-commerce tools. > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Janie's book. -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?/Sue/Gracia Nancie, Which book did you just order? Schwartzbeins or stop the thyroidmadness? Venizia > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat > > Gracia > > > > Ok I found it, she lists armour thyroid as one thing that can cause > > secretion of adrenaline which taxes those of us with burned out > adrenals. I > > am at stage 7 of 7 adrenal exhaustion so I take this stuff pretty > seriously. > > > > sue > > > > > > Recent Activity > > a.. 16New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Health > > Early Detection > > > > Know the symptoms > > > > of breast cancer. > > > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > > > A Group > > > > to share and learn. > > > > Sitebuilder > > Build a web site > > > > quickly & easily > > > > with Sitebuilder. > > . > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: > 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi Venezia! I'm on the Adrenals group and I am doing GREAT on Isocort. It made such a huge difference, I can't even begin to describe. No more brain fog, swishy head. My brain function has returned, along with physical stamina. I can spend two days at an amusement park without paying for it for weeks. I just started riding my bike again after 6 months. My yoga sessions are strong and relaxing. Ramping up brought up some strange head sensations, but I've experienced nothing but positive results from Isocort. .... And I've not gained a pound on Isocort. take care, ~ -------Original Message------- I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and I do not think any of them are doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I break the mold then... I'm 5'8 and 145. ~ -----Original Message----- Looks like we are all a bunch of midgets. Gracia were you ever overweight? I'm 5'1 and about 147 okay okay 150 (stupid ginger bread). I want to be around 120-125. I'm looking into adrenals now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 , This is encouraging. As I mentioned when I asked on the adrenal group I only received about 3 responses. I realize that one is only going to post if they are not feeling well, hence, hearing all the bad news. I realize that. It is good to hear isocort is working for you because that is one I am considering. I have also heard that it is not enough for some people. May I ask did you do the 24 hrs saliva test and how bad were your numbers? Also, I a may ask, how much do you take? Thanks so much for responding! Venizia > > Hi Venezia! > > I'm on the Adrenals group and I am doing GREAT on Isocort. It made such a > huge difference, I can't even begin to describe. No more brain fog, swishy > head. My brain function has returned, along with physical stamina. I can > spend two days at an amusement park without paying for it for weeks. I just > started riding my bike again after 6 months. My yoga sessions are strong > and relaxing. > > Ramping up brought up some strange head sensations, but I've experienced > nothing but positive results from Isocort. > > ... And I've not gained a pound on Isocort. > > take care, > ~ > > -------Original Message------- > > I am on the adrenal group and they are all doing cortisone, isocort etc and > I do not think any of them are doing well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I have that too! [gggg] > I have this 6 month pregnant belly that erks the crap out of me > That's where 89% of my extra weight is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi Venezia ~ Yes, I did the cortisol saliva test and it showed early Stage 5. I started Isocort according to the ramp-up schedule in the files of the adrenal group: 2.5mg for 3 days, etc. I didn't have any problems, but there were times when symptoms got worse, especially the spacey/woozy head, but that went away totally when I got to 20mg. Following the temperature graphing per www.drrind.com, I found my optimal dose at 35mg. I stress dose when needed (like now, I'm a little shaky). I found a 3 hour schedule was more suitable for me than a 4-hour schedule. Many on the adrenals list say Isocort isn't as strong as HC, and that each pellet may not contain the 2.5mg cortisol the manufacturer states. I really don't know, but I do know it worked. take care, ~ -----Original Message----- This is encouraging. As I mentioned when I asked on the adrenal group I only received about 3 responses. I realize that one is only going to post if they are not feeling well, hence, hearing all the bad news. I realize that. It is good to hear isocort is working for you because that is one I am considering. I have also heard that it is not enough for some people. May I ask did you do the 24 hrs saliva test and how bad were your numbers? Also, I a may ask, how much do you take? Thanks so much for responding! Venizia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 , You wrote: > > Many on the adrenals list say Isocort isn't as strong as HC, and that each > pellet may not contain the 2.5mg cortisol the manufacturer states. I really > don't know, but I do know it worked. They are correct. Isocort is dried adrenal glands from sheep, so the hormone contents are not stringently controlled. When samples have been assayed, they never even got close to 2.5 mg, so that may represent a statistical upper bound, a " maximum. " Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I think I take the dose that works 5mg 4X a day. maybe the other stuff I take helps too, but mostly I notice ppl dosing wrong. Gracia shows how much I know. You seem to be doing much better on cortef than they are on whatever dose they are taking of HC. Why is that? Venizia Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Familyographer Zone Learn how to take great pictures. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 hi Neil I actually went to Broda in CO. he started me on Armour but I do not know the dose. I just couldn't tolerate it and never went back. increasing Armour from 90mg to 240 was a necessity for me once I treated adrenals and got sex hormones. I was just so sick but increased according to symptoms---no heart attack--just finally able to function. Gracia Hi Gracia, I agree with some things you say, once you made a statement " it's called an endocrine SYSTEM for a reason " and I thought that was so right on, I believe all hormones must be balanced in both men and women for the best results. I don't agree in any shape or form that going from 1.5 grains to 4 grains in a week is a good idea by any stretch. The father of dissected thyroid that treated thyroid patients for almost 50 years, Dr. Broda , cautions against this time and time again in his books, so do other authors in books. There is an extreme real risk of heart attack from doing this, and STTM warns against this as well in many places in their web site. Neil Gracia wrote: > > > I could only tolerate 90mg Armour for a few years. I thought that was > all I needed. then I started going backwards, getting weak, no > stamina, sleep probs etc. A doc told me to take cortef 3X a day and > that just didn't work so I quit. a year later I tried again only I > used 5mg 4X a day last dose at bedtime. it worked just great. In one > week I increased Armour to 4 grains and also increased estradiol. I > finally felt wonderful. > Gracia > > Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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