Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

[Guest guest]

that's right. It us humans who create the horrific conditions that many

pigs have to live in until they are slaughtered. I love pigs. They are

extremely intelligent.

-- Re: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

smart, thrifty and clean.:

gracia

>

>

> It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I will be

> staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> CW

>

> T

>

[Guest guest]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Nancie Barnett

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:00 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

that's right. It us humans who create the horrific conditions that many

pigs have to live in until they are slaughtered. I love pigs. They are

extremely intelligent.

-- Re: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

smart, thrifty and clean.:

gracia

>

>

> It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I will be

> staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> CW

>

> T

>

[Guest guest]

We have too...they are one of the few domestic livestock that do not 'poo' in

their shelter and 'beds'...

>

> ??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

> smart, thrifty and clean.:

> gracia

> >

> >

> > It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I will be

> > staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> > CW

> >

> > T

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know anyone that consumes food through 'inhalation'...

> > >

> > > Yesterday Dr. Mehmet Oz, of Oprah fame, was on The View, and he said as

> > long as you

> > > cook port properly (no pink, which should be done all the time) there is

> > no risk in eating

> > > the pork.

> > >

> > >

> > > Roni

> > > <>Just because something

> > > isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> > > not there<>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The strain that the swine flu represents is a novel strain. That means it

has never been seen in humans. Therefore there are no vaccines available for

this strain. So, that article is just a scare tactic.

And the picture is just another slam against pigs.

-- Re: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

smart, thrifty and clean.:

gracia

>

>

> It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I will be

> staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> CW

>

> T

>

[Guest guest]

If they're really hungry they'll eat anything; even one of them that is

injured... But still very much alive.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Flu%20Risk%20from%20Eating%20Pork\

>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:41 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> ??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

> smart, thrifty and clean.:

> gracia

> >

> >

> > It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I

> will be

> > staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> > CW

[Guest guest]

They eat poop, theirs or others and I don't think they're clean. I've heard they

are intelligent, but I don't think a pet pig is the same as them living in

slaughter houses with hundreds and hundreds of others packed so closely. I don't

think any animals kept that way could possibly be clean.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 9:45 PM

If they're really hungry they'll eat anything; even one of them that is

injured... But still very much alive.

..

..

>

>       Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>   

   <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Flu%20Risk%20from%20Eating%20P\

ork>

>         graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

>         Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:41 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> ??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

> smart, thrifty and clean.:

> gracia

> >

> >

> > It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I

> will be

> > staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> > CW

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are correct. The ones who grow up in factory farms are not clean,

but when a pig has the chance to grow up in a clean environment or say on a

sanctuary they are very clean animals.

-- Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 9:45 PM

If they're really hungry they'll eat anything; even one of them that is

injured... But still very much alive.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@fairpoint

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Flu%20Risk%20from%20Eating%20Pork>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:41 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> ??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

> smart, thrifty and clean.:

> gracia

> >

> >

> > It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I

> will be

> > staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> > CW

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I think many people have a misconception of pigs since they always 'appear'

dirty. They have no sweat glands so to stay cool, they have to have a mud bath.

The mud, being wet, holds the moisture longer than if they just took a dip in a

pool. When it begins to dry out, they head back to their 'bath'... They are

one of very few domesticated animals that have enough sense to 'never' take a

dump in their shelter (bedroom)! We sure can't say that about beef or fowl!

>

> From: <res075oh@...>

> Subject: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 9:45 PM

>

> If they're really hungry they'll eat anything; even one of them that is

> injured... But still very much alive.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@fairpoint

> net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Flu%20Risk%20from%20Eating%20Pork>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:41 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > ??? I have raised pigs myself and they are really the greatest--very

> > smart, thrifty and clean.:

> > gracia

> > >

> > >

> > > It must be one of those things that they don't know yet either. I

> > will be

> > > staying away from pork anyway as I usually do. Pigs are detestable.

> > > CW

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper nutrition,

they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs never ate poop...we

always hosed down their lot every day where their feeding and watering troughs

were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the

stuff we otherwise would have put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals,

potato peels, all the scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh

since it is disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be

unhealthy if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it

is almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>

> They eat poop, theirs or others and ...

> Roni

[Guest guest]

the Mexican village where first cases of flu were reported is right next

to a US factory pig farm and the run off from that " farm " goes into the

water supply. pigs there are given antibiotics and other drugs.

gracia

cindy.seeley wrote:

>

>

> Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper

> nutrition, they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs

> never ate poop...we always hosed down their lot every day where their

> feeding and watering troughs were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole

> every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the stuff we otherwise would have

> put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals, potato peels, all the

> scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh since it is

> disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be unhealthy

> if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it is

> almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

> nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Antibiotics are not useful with the swine flu, since flu is a virus

and antibiotics don't work on viruses, period. That's why they

use retroviral medications (which are pretty heavy drugs with

some nasty side effects) and are trying to develop a vaccine

for next year's possible flu season. All the articles I've seen

say the same thing as far as eating pork (or even handling it)

cook it thoroughly, and wash your hands well.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper

> nutrition, they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs

> never ate poop...we always hosed down their lot every day where their

> feeding and watering troughs were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole

> every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the stuff we otherwise would have

> put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals, potato peels, all the

> scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh since it is

> disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be unhealthy

> if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it is

> almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

> nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

cindy.seeley wrote:

> I think many people have a misconception of pigs since they always 'appear'

dirty. They have no sweat glands so to stay cool, they have to have a mud bath.

The mud, being wet, holds the moisture longer than if they just took a dip in a

pool. When it begins to dry out, they head back to their 'bath'... They are

one of very few domesticated animals that have enough sense to 'never' take a

dump in their shelter (bedroom)! We sure can't say that about beef or fowl!

>

Darn it! All this talk is making me hungry! I'm going to go buy some

ham today and feast. The fattier the better!

I've looked at getting some wild organic boqar roasts in the past but

they were always quite costly, but I think I'm going to order some

today. Wild organic meats have always appealed to me as being more

paleo and healthier and certainly there is a lot more variety than your

local grocery store.

I also think a organic varied paleo diet would be a lot more thyroid

healthy or healthy all the way around.

This place looks very interesting.

http://1-800-exoticmeats.com/

As too the flu, I'm not concerned. I've looked at getting tamaflu for

my own personal family stock but the pricing is very high and the

product is not very effective shortening the flu by only about 1 day AND

it has to be used in the first 48 hours of getting infected when testing

is highly unlikely to be timely. However, it is my understanding

right now that the what killed most of the people in 1918 was that super

strept followed in the footsteps of the flu and THAT is treatable with

antibiotics. Those I'm getting into my personal home stock.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

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run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

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[Guest guest]

Having looked into the flu vaccine and it's success, I'm quite pleases

that I've never gotten this short and that my family stays away from it

too. Getting your vitamin D levels upto more more optimum is very very

SIGNIFICANTLY more effective and preventing flu, limiting it's effect,

and shortening it's duration.

Steve

Roni Molin wrote:

> Antibiotics are not useful with the swine flu, since flu is a virus

> and antibiotics don't work on viruses, period. That's why they

> use retroviral medications (which are pretty heavy drugs with

> some nasty side effects) and are trying to develop a vaccine

> for next year's possible flu season. All the articles I've seen

> say the same thing as far as eating pork (or even handling it)

> cook it thoroughly, and wash your hands well.

>

>

> Roni

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend the buffalo meat, turtle meat and venison...my husband would

also recommend the goat meat (I've never had it) and my sister in Louisiana

would recommend the alligator meat (I've never had that either)! Wild turkey's

good too!

....

> I've looked at getting some wild organic boqar roasts in the past but

> they were always quite costly, but I think I'm going to order some

> today. Wild organic meats have always appealed to me as being more

> paleo and healthier and certainly there is a lot more variety than your

> local grocery store.

>

> I also think a organic varied paleo diet would be a lot more thyroid

> healthy or healthy all the way around.

>

> This place looks very interesting.

>

> http://1-800-exoticmeats.com/

....

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

[Guest guest]

Which is what they've said since just about forever...to prevent trichinosis...

>

....

> All the articles I've seen

> say the same thing as far as eating pork (or even handling it)

> cook it thoroughly, and wash your hands well.

>

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

We don't get it either! We've seen too many people that got it get sick anyway

and we rarily get sick. When we do, it's usually very mild--not even as sick as

I've seen many get in reaction to getting their flu shots. I've also heard

(don't know if it's true or not--since I've heard doctors on both sides) that

once you've had the flu shot, you have to get it every year or you'll get even

sicker with the flu if you get it after missing your shot. It's only been a

couple years ago that there was a huge shortage of flu vaccines, then last year

it sounded like the virus they developed the flu shot for wasn't even the

primary virus of concern...and...here we go again!

BTW, I heard a couple days ago that the H1N1 (swine flue) virus is actually a

combination of the avian virus, the swine virus and crossed with humans (does

this make it a humanoid virus?)...it was a doctor on the news that said this...

[Guest guest]

I think Gracia was referring to the fact that factory farms give their

animals antibiotics and steroids as routine practice [ another reason why

factory farms should be stopped], not that they were giving them antibiotics

to treat the flu infection.

-- Re: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

Antibiotics are not useful with the swine flu, since flu is a virus

and antibiotics don't work on viruses, period. That's why they

use retroviral medications (which are pretty heavy drugs with

some nasty side effects) and are trying to develop a vaccine

for next year's possible flu season. All the articles I've seen

say the same thing as far as eating pork (or even handling it)

cook it thoroughly, and wash your hands well.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper

> nutrition, they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs

> never ate poop...we always hosed down their lot every day where their

> feeding and watering troughs were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole

> every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the stuff we otherwise would have

> put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals, potato peels, all the

> scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh since it is

> disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be unhealthy

> if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it is

> almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

> nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I've had and enjoyed buffalo meat, venison, and turtle, as well as moose, king

crab, lobster,

 

and duck. I've had pheasant too, but did not enjoy that at all, too dry.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:21 AM

I highly recommend the buffalo meat, turtle meat and venison...my husband would

also recommend the goat meat (I've never had it) and my sister in Louisiana

would recommend the alligator meat (I've never had that either)!  Wild turkey's

good too!

....

> I've looked at getting some wild organic boqar roasts in the past but

> they were always quite costly, but I think I'm going to order some

> today.  Wild organic meats have always appealed to me as being more

> paleo and healthier and certainly there is a lot more variety than your

> local grocery store.

>

> I also think a organic varied paleo diet would be a lot more thyroid

> healthy or healthy all the way around.

>

> This place looks very interesting.

>

> http://1-800-exoticmeats.com/

....

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I agree that they should stop giving animals that will go into the food chain

these hormones and antibiotics. I think it has gone on way long enough, and

caused harm to many people.

They could also clean up the conditions under which these animals live.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper

> nutrition, they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs

> never ate poop...we always hosed down their lot every day where their

> feeding and watering troughs were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole

> every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the stuff we otherwise would have

> put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals, potato peels, all the

> scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh since it is

> disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be unhealthy

> if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it is

> almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

> nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I understand that.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:22 AM

Which is what they've said since just about forever...to prevent trichinosis...

>

....

> All the articles I've seen

> say the same thing as far as eating pork (or even handling it)

> cook it thoroughly, and wash your hands well.

>

>

> Roni

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

It's supposedly human flu, avian flu and pig flu all together.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Re: Flu Risk from Eating Pork

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:28 AM

We don't get it either!  We've seen too many people that got it get sick anyway

and we rarily get sick.  When we do, it's usually very mild--not even as sick as

I've seen many get in reaction to getting their flu shots.  I've also heard

(don't know if it's true or not--since I've heard doctors on both sides) that

once you've had the flu shot, you have to get it every year or you'll get even

sicker with the flu if you get it after missing your shot.  It's only been a

couple years ago that there was a huge shortage of flu vaccines, then last year

it sounded like the virus they developed the flu shot for wasn't even the

primary virus of concern...and...here we go again!

BTW, I heard a couple days ago that the H1N1 (swine flue) virus is actually a

combination of the avian virus, the swine virus and crossed with humans (does

this make it a humanoid virus?)...it was a doctor on the news that said this...

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I agree and disagree.

I think that the owners of these farms have every right to make

decisions on how to best run their farms and use their property. There

are farm owners that want to maximize their food production the best

they know how and in a what they think will result in lower prices and

the greatest personal profit. This drives prices down. Personal

roperty control is sacred. Life, liberty, and property is what the

original declaration of independence initially said but " property " was

changed to " pursuit of happiness " because of slave ownership, an ugly

practice but one that sill exists using the tax code and government

regulation - forced transfer of the labor and wealth of others for the

benefit of the the voter-owners, a practice that should be ended.

There are other farm owners that are interested, perhaps not for

personal reasons but for business reasons or both, to avoid the use of

antibiotics, hormones, etc and produce a food product that is free of

both. These items will cost more but perhaps have greater profit for

the farmers. I tend to buy those items. Eggs for example in this

organic arena can cost upwards of $4.50 a dozen but I'm OK with that.

The eggs that cost a whole lot less cannot make the organic claim but

are at a price point that works for other people.

THEN, there are the farmers that want to produce range fed and finished

product without any additives and unnatural food sources like CORN and

advertise and market this product. This is the hardest and most

expensive meat to find but is indeed a very fast growing segment without

any government force being used. In fact, the beef stock for example

that has been selected for tastiness when corn they are fed are specific

varieties AND different harder to get beef varieties are being raised

and their herds expanded because they taste a lot better on natural

range fed and fattened practices. I'm looking forward to this area

growing a lot but currently the variety of these selected stocks do not

have a large supply.

Producers will produce what people are willing to buy at all price

points and all quality points. The demand for organic quality products

in one of the fastest growing food segments and needs no government

intervention. The only thing that government does is allow special

interests to lower the standards for what can be called organic and

consequently deceiving the population with low quality not really

organic product. Keep government out.

Did you know there are states that will not allow milk to advertise as

BST free due to government intervention and regulation? You can thank

Monsanto for that, a company that knows how to manipulate government

regulation.

Steve

Roni Molin wrote:

> I agree that they should stop giving animals that will go into the food chain

these hormones and antibiotics. I think it has gone on way long enough, and

caused harm to many people.

> They could also clean up the conditions under which these animals live.

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>>

>> Ughhh! If they are in a decent environment and provided the proper

>> nutrition, they do not do this! We have a hobby farm, and our pigs

>> never ate poop...we always hosed down their lot every day where their

>> feeding and watering troughs were, and we freshened their 'mud' hole

>> every day. They do eat 'garbage'...the stuff we otherwise would have

>> put in a compost pile--leftovers from meals, potato peels, all the

>> scraps from food preparation, but that is relatively fresh since it is

>> disposed of daily... Any animal is going to get sick and be unhealthy

>> if their diet includes 'spoilage'... If they sometimes eat poop, it is

>> almost certainly because there is an inadequacy in their diet, be it

>> nutritional deficiencies or insufficient amounts of food.

>>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[Guest guest]

Ditto!...duck can be too greasy, depending on how it is prepared. The fat

rendered from duck is awesome for fried foods! Pheasant can be extremely dry,

again, depending on how it's prepared... Lamb is really good too, if prepared

right. We have snapper turtles here and they are a true delicacy!

>

> I've had and enjoyed buffalo meat, venison, and turtle, as well as moose, king

crab, lobster,

>  

> and duck. I've had pheasant too, but did not enjoy that at all, too dry.

>

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

Wow...we only charge $1.25/doz...

....

> the farmers. I tend to buy those items. Eggs for example in this

> organic arena can cost upwards of $4.50 a dozen but I'm OK with that.

....

> Steve