Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

October 21, 2009

A thimerisol free shot can be ordered and obtained.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

I'm not a big fan of webmd.

Here is post I got on another group. It didn't include the URL and I

didn't try to find it so I'm just including the whole post:

Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine

Danes, Finns, Germans, French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch all refusing to roll

sleeves up despite government, media pressure

Steve

Infowars.net

Monday, Oct 19, 2009

People throughout Europe are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine en mass, despite

huge campaigns by their governments to get them to take the shot when it

becomes available within the next week.

In Germany uproar continues to grow concerning the fact that German

Chancellor Merkel and government ministers, as well as the armed

forces there, will receive a special, additive-free H1N1 vaccine.

The soldiers and the German government elites will receive Celvapan, an

adjuvant-free vaccine manufactured by Baxter. The German public, however,

will receive a vaccine produced by GlaxoKline which contains squalene

and the mercury based preservative thimerosal.

A report yesterday in the leading German newspaper Die Welt describes the

public sentiment towards the news:

That throws a treacherous light on the announcements of the German health

ministry and the Ehrlich Institute (PEI) responsible for vaccines. Why

should the government and high-ranking officials get special treatment, the

people who they rule over are asking. The dirty word of a " two-tier

medicine " comes to mind. And then thoughts turn to Orwell's novel " Animal

Farm " where all are equal but " some are more equal. "

Polls in Germany, even before this news, have indicated that only one third

of the population are interested in receiving the H1N1 vaccination.

Last week Spiegel reported that there has been an " open rebellion " by

general medical professionals and child physicians in Germany over use of

the toxic vaccine. Dieter Ludwig, chairman of the drug commission of the

German medical profession, told Spiegel that health authorities have

colluded with pharmaceutical companies.

GlaxoKline itself has issued a press statement in which the company

defends the decision by the German government.

Across the border in Denmark, public officials and health care workers

chosen as primary recipients of the vaccine are declining it, saying that

the virus is too mild to warrant taking the shot.

Of 360,000 police officers, nurses, doctors and others identified as holding

key positions, only around 30% have applied for vaccination appointments,

according to Denmark's largest vaccination agency.

Danske Lægers Vaccinations Service (DLVS, Danish Doctors Vaccination

Service) Chairman Karsten Østergaard revealed that under a third of those

chosen will take the vaccine.

The news comes despite extensive planning for a massive swine flu

immunization campaign on behalf of the Danish Government this Fall to

inoculate one fifth of the total population.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of Scandinavian neighbours in Finland have

indicated that they have no interest in taking the vaccine.

Results of three major nationwide polls held by Finnish media outlets

Ilta-Sanomat, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat reveal that up to 75% of people

there will refuse to take the H1N1 shot when it becomes available in the

next few days.

The Finnish government has also launched a mass campaign to vaccinate the

public there. Healthcare workers in Finland are due to receive the first

inoculations next week.

Rejection of the vaccine is also prevalent In the Netherlands, with two

thirds of nursing staff saying they do not want to be inoculated against the

H1N1 virus. Large portions of the populations of France, Belgium and Spain

have also indicated they want no part of the jab.

The feeling of the people in Europe reflect those of the populations of the

UK, the US and Canada, large portions of which have indicted great

reservations over the safety of the vaccine.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

------------------------------------

October 21, 2009

It is a shame that everyone is so panicked about this thing all

because the drug companies have such control

over the media. (Especially in America.)

Of course if you are scared, you will get vaccinated

and they will make more money. Doesn't anyone but the

Europeans notice this???

Ali

On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Roni Molin wrote:

> A thimerisol free shot can be ordered and obtained.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

> >

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

>

> I'm not a big fan of webmd.

>

> Here is post I got on another group. It didn't include the URL and I

> didn't try to find it so I'm just including the whole post:

>

> Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine

> Danes, Finns, Germans, French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch all refusing

> to roll

> sleeves up despite government, media pressure

>

> Steve

> Infowars.net

> Monday, Oct 19, 2009

>

> People throughout Europe are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine en mass,

> despite

> huge campaigns by their governments to get them to take the shot

> when it

> becomes available within the next week.

>

> In Germany uproar continues to grow concerning the fact that German

> Chancellor Merkel and government ministers, as well as the

> armed

> forces there, will receive a special, additive-free H1N1 vaccine.

>

> The soldiers and the German government elites will receive Celvapan,

> an

> adjuvant-free vaccine manufactured by Baxter. The German public,

> however,

> will receive a vaccine produced by GlaxoKline which contains

> squalene

> and the mercury based preservative thimerosal.

>

> A report yesterday in the leading German newspaper Die Welt

> describes the

> public sentiment towards the news:

>

> That throws a treacherous light on the announcements of the German

> health

> ministry and the Ehrlich Institute (PEI) responsible for

> vaccines. Why

> should the government and high-ranking officials get special

> treatment, the

> people who they rule over are asking. The dirty word of a " two-tier

> medicine " comes to mind. And then thoughts turn to Orwell's novel

> " Animal

> Farm " where all are equal but " some are more equal. "

>

> Polls in Germany, even before this news, have indicated that only

> one third

> of the population are interested in receiving the H1N1 vaccination.

>

> Last week Spiegel reported that there has been an " open rebellion " by

> general medical professionals and child physicians in Germany over

> use of

> the toxic vaccine. Dieter Ludwig, chairman of the drug commission of

> the

> German medical profession, told Spiegel that health authorities have

> colluded with pharmaceutical companies.

>

> GlaxoKline itself has issued a press statement in which the

> company

> defends the decision by the German government.

>

> Across the border in Denmark, public officials and health care workers

> chosen as primary recipients of the vaccine are declining it, saying

> that

> the virus is too mild to warrant taking the shot.

>

> Of 360,000 police officers, nurses, doctors and others identified as

> holding

> key positions, only around 30% have applied for vaccination

> appointments,

> according to Denmark's largest vaccination agency.

>

> Danske Lægers Vaccinations Service (DLVS, Danish Doctors Vaccination

> Service) Chairman Karsten Østergaard revealed that under a third of

> those

> chosen will take the vaccine.

>

> The news comes despite extensive planning for a massive swine flu

> immunization campaign on behalf of the Danish Government this Fall to

> inoculate one fifth of the total population.

>

> Meanwhile, the vast majority of Scandinavian neighbours in Finland

> have

> indicated that they have no interest in taking the vaccine.

>

> Results of three major nationwide polls held by Finnish media outlets

> Ilta-Sanomat, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat reveal that up to 75% of

> people

> there will refuse to take the H1N1 shot when it becomes available in

> the

> next few days.

>

> The Finnish government has also launched a mass campaign to

> vaccinate the

> public there. Healthcare workers in Finland are due to receive the

> first

> inoculations next week.

>

> Rejection of the vaccine is also prevalent In the Netherlands, with

> two

> thirds of nursing staff saying they do not want to be inoculated

> against the

> H1N1 virus. Large portions of the populations of France, Belgium and

> Spain

> have also indicated they want no part of the jab.

>

> The feeling of the people in Europe reflect those of the populations

> of the

> UK, the US and Canada, large portions of which have indicted great

> reservations over the safety of the vaccine.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

>

> " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2009

Flu does and can kill. I am not sure where you are getting your info about that

influenza is not deadly, gina, But you are incorrect. every year 1000's pf

people die every year from getting the flu.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine Flu

Hypes, Myths and Facts

That's the point. For some reason this swine flu is hitting certain

groups very hard, and the time from infection to death is very

short.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> > http://www.webmd.

<http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-sa

fe> com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

>

> I'm not a big fan of webmd.

>

> Here is post I got on another group. It didn't include the URL and I

> didn't try to find it so I'm just including the whole post:

>

> Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine

> Danes, Finns, Germans, French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch all refusing

> to roll

> sleeves up despite government, media pressure

>

> Steve

> Infowars.net

> Monday, Oct 19, 2009

>

> People throughout Europe are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine en mass,

> despite

> huge campaigns by their governments to get them to take the shot

> when it

> becomes available within the next week.

>

> In Germany uproar continues to grow concerning the fact that German

> Chancellor Merkel and government ministers, as well as the

> armed

> forces there, will receive a special, additive-free H1N1 vaccine.

>

> The soldiers and the German government elites will receive Celvapan,

> an

> adjuvant-free vaccine manufactured by Baxter. The German public,

> however,

> will receive a vaccine produced by GlaxoKline which contains

> squalene

> and the mercury based preservative thimerosal.

>

> A report yesterday in the leading German newspaper Die Welt

> describes the

> public sentiment towards the news:

>

> That throws a treacherous light on the announcements of the German

> health

> ministry and the Ehrlich Institute (PEI) responsible for

> vaccines. Why

> should the government and high-ranking officials get special

> treatment, the

> people who they rule over are asking. The dirty word of a " two-tier

> medicine " comes to mind. And then thoughts turn to Orwell's novel

> " Animal

> Farm " where all are equal but " some are more equal. "

>

> Polls in Germany, even before this news, have indicated that only

> one third

> of the population are interested in receiving the H1N1 vaccination.

>

> Last week Spiegel reported that there has been an " open rebellion " by

> general medical professionals and child physicians in Germany over

> use of

> the toxic vaccine. Dieter Ludwig, chairman of the drug commission of

> the

> German medical profession, told Spiegel that health authorities have

> colluded with pharmaceutical companies.

>

> GlaxoKline itself has issued a press statement in which the

> company

> defends the decision by the German government.

>

> Across the border in Denmark, public officials and health care workers

> chosen as primary recipients of the vaccine are declining it, saying

> that

> the virus is too mild to warrant taking the shot.

>

> Of 360,000 police officers, nurses, doctors and others identified as

> holding

> key positions, only around 30% have applied for vaccination

> appointments,

> according to Denmark's largest vaccination agency.

>

> Danske LÃ¦gers Vaccinations Service (DLVS, Danish Doctors Vaccination

> Service) Chairman Karsten Ã˜stergaard revealed that under a third of

> those

> chosen will take the vaccine.

>

> The news comes despite extensive planning for a massive swine flu

> immunization campaign on behalf of the Danish Government this Fall to

> inoculate one fifth of the total population.

>

> Meanwhile, the vast majority of Scandinavian neighbours in Finland

> have

> indicated that they have no interest in taking the vaccine.

>

> Results of three major nationwide polls held by Finnish media outlets

> Ilta-Sanomat, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat reveal that up to 75% of

> people

> there will refuse to take the H1N1 shot when it becomes available in

> the

> next few days.

>

> The Finnish government has also launched a mass campaign to

> vaccinate the

> public there. Healthcare workers in Finland are due to receive the

> first

> inoculations next week.

>

> Rejection of the vaccine is also prevalent In the Netherlands, with

> two

> thirds of nursing staff saying they do not want to be inoculated

> against the

> H1N1 virus. Large portions of the populations of France, Belgium and

> Spain

> have also indicated they want no part of the jab.

>

> The feeling of the people in Europe reflect those of the populations

> of the

> UK, the US and Canada, large portions of which have indicted great

> reservations over the safety of the vaccine.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@ <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> basicmail.net

>

> " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

>

> " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvoc <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

ates.org/quiz.html

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2009

What I have seen is that CDC lumps flu and pneumonia together, so you really

don't know which one is actually doing the killing. The flu itself, from

what I understand, rarely is the cause of death. It's usually pneumonia or

some other underlying opportunistic infection. Or, the person is lacking in

something like Vit D that keeps the cytokine storm from happening.

At 5:15 he talks about how Vit D

dampens the cytokine storm part of the immune system.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/health_insider/2009/05/how-can-the-flu.html This

one talks about how it's not the flu itself, but the opportunistic

infections that actually does the killing.

http://swineflu.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Ex

posed.aspx Just a good one on vaccines.

These are not my opinions! I'm just repeating what I have read. I don't

know the truth one way or another. I just know that I will be taking lots

of Vit D and not getting ANY vaccines.

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of nancie barnett

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:37 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

Flu does and can kill. I am not sure where you are getting your info about

that influenza is not deadly, gina, But you are incorrect. every year 1000's

pf people die every year from getting the flu.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM

hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

Subject: RE: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

That's the point. For some reason this swine flu is hitting certain

groups very hard, and the time from infection to death is very

short.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> > http://www.webmd.

<http://www.webmd.

<http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-sa

> com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-sa

fe> com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

>

> I'm not a big fan of webmd.

>

> Here is post I got on another group. It didn't include the URL and I

> didn't try to find it so I'm just including the whole post:

>

> Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine

> Danes, Finns, Germans, French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch all refusing

> to roll

> sleeves up despite government, media pressure

>

> Steve

> Infowars.net

> Monday, Oct 19, 2009

>

> People throughout Europe are rejecting the H1N1 vaccine en mass,

> despite

> huge campaigns by their governments to get them to take the shot

> when it

> becomes available within the next week.

>

> In Germany uproar continues to grow concerning the fact that German

> Chancellor Merkel and government ministers, as well as the

> armed

> forces there, will receive a special, additive-free H1N1 vaccine.

>

> The soldiers and the German government elites will receive Celvapan,

> an

> adjuvant-free vaccine manufactured by Baxter. The German public,

> however,

> will receive a vaccine produced by GlaxoKline which contains

> squalene

> and the mercury based preservative thimerosal.

>

> A report yesterday in the leading German newspaper Die Welt

> describes the

> public sentiment towards the news:

>

> That throws a treacherous light on the announcements of the German

> health

> ministry and the Ehrlich Institute (PEI) responsible for

> vaccines. Why

> should the government and high-ranking officials get special

> treatment, the

> people who they rule over are asking. The dirty word of a " two-tier

> medicine " comes to mind. And then thoughts turn to Orwell's novel

> " Animal

> Farm " where all are equal but " some are more equal. "

>

> Polls in Germany, even before this news, have indicated that only

> one third

> of the population are interested in receiving the H1N1 vaccination.

>

> Last week Spiegel reported that there has been an " open rebellion " by

> general medical professionals and child physicians in Germany over

> use of

> the toxic vaccine. Dieter Ludwig, chairman of the drug commission of

> the

> German medical profession, told Spiegel that health authorities have

> colluded with pharmaceutical companies.

>

> GlaxoKline itself has issued a press statement in which the

> company

> defends the decision by the German government.

>

> Across the border in Denmark, public officials and health care workers

> chosen as primary recipients of the vaccine are declining it, saying

> that

> the virus is too mild to warrant taking the shot.

>

> Of 360,000 police officers, nurses, doctors and others identified as

> holding

> key positions, only around 30% have applied for vaccination

> appointments,

> according to Denmark's largest vaccination agency.

>

> Danske Lægers Vaccinations Service (DLVS, Danish Doctors Vaccination

> Service) Chairman Karsten Østergaard revealed that under a third of

> those

> chosen will take the vaccine.

>

> The news comes despite extensive planning for a massive swine flu

> immunization campaign on behalf of the Danish Government this Fall to

> inoculate one fifth of the total population.

>

> Meanwhile, the vast majority of Scandinavian neighbours in Finland

> have

> indicated that they have no interest in taking the vaccine.

>

> Results of three major nationwide polls held by Finnish media outlets

> Ilta-Sanomat, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat reveal that up to 75% of

> people

> there will refuse to take the H1N1 shot when it becomes available in

> the

> next few days.

>

> The Finnish government has also launched a mass campaign to

> vaccinate the

> public there. Healthcare workers in Finland are due to receive the

> first

> inoculations next week.

>

> Rejection of the vaccine is also prevalent In the Netherlands, with

> two

> thirds of nursing staff saying they do not want to be inoculated

> against the

> H1N1 virus. Large portions of the populations of France, Belgium and

> Spain

> have also indicated they want no part of the jab.

>

> The feeling of the people in Europe reflect those of the populations

> of the

> UK, the US and Canada, large portions of which have indicted great

> reservations over the safety of the vaccine.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@ <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> basicmail.net

>

> " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

>

> " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvoc <http://www.theadvoc

<http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> ates.org/quiz.html>

ates.org/quiz.html

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2009

I take a bunch of vitamins already, as well as some minerals and herbals my

cardio told me to get. I'm getting vitamined out, and it's getting harder to

figure out when I can take the magnesium, and how many hours between my doses of

T3. It's really getting to be a hassle.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

October 22, 2009

And the H1N1 is weaker than the typical annual flu.

Ste3ve

wrote:

> What I have seen is that CDC lumps flu and pneumonia together, so you really

> don't know which one is actually doing the killing. The flu itself, from

> what I understand, rarely is the cause of death. It's usually pneumonia or

> some other underlying opportunistic infection. Or, the person is lacking in

> something like Vit D that keeps the cytokine storm from happening.

>

At 5:15 he talks about how Vit D

> dampens the cytokine storm part of the immune system.

>

> http://blogs.abcnews.com/health_insider/2009/05/how-can-the-flu.html This

> one talks about how it's not the flu itself, but the opportunistic

> infections that actually does the killing.

>

> http://swineflu.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Ex

> posed.aspx Just a good one on vaccines.

>

> These are not my opinions! I'm just repeating what I have read. I don't

> know the truth one way or another. I just know that I will be taking lots

> of Vit D and not getting ANY vaccines.

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of nancie barnett

> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:37 AM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

> Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

>

> Flu does and can kill. I am not sure where you are getting your info about

> that influenza is not deadly, gina, But you are incorrect. every year 1000's

> pf people die every year from getting the flu.

>

> From: Roni Molin

> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM

> hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>

> Subject: RE: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

> Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

>

> That's the point. For some reason this swine flu is hitting certain

> groups very hard, and the time from infection to death is very

> short.

>

> Roni

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

October 22, 2009

ok, here is the the some stats on influenza death rates from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5107a1.htm

Epidemics of influenza occur nearly every year during the winter months.

Influenza is responsible for an average of approximately 114,000

hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths/year in the United States (1,2). Annual

vaccination is recommended for groups at increased risk for serious

complications from influenza, including adults aged >65 years, persons with

certain underlying chronic health conditions (e.g., cardiovascular disease,

pulmonary disease, and certain metabolic conditions), and women in their second

or third trimester of pregnancy (3). Vaccination of persons in close contact

with those at high risk is also recommended.

then there is these stats':

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5408.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/washington/fluBrief/flu_newsletter_december.pdf

http://emergency.cdc.gov/coca/summaries/pdf/SeasonalInfluenzaFiore052708.pdf

Here is an excerpt: pages 3 and 4.

Now these annual epidemics though are not to be underestimated. In an average

epidemic year, anywhere from 2.5% to 20% of the population can fall ill with

influenza. The highest rates are typically in children. In some towns you'll see

children attack rates of over 30%.

On average, 36,000 deaths a year are attributed to influenza. But this ranges

widely according to the severity of the season.

Over 90% of the deaths in most seasons are in persons greater than 64 years old.

if you don't get the vaccine, plz take plenty of lycine whx has anti-viral

properties.

Nancie

What I have seen is that CDC lumps flu and pneumonia together, so you really

don't know which one is actually doing the killing. The flu itself, from

what I understand, rarely is the cause of death. It's usually pneumonia or

some other underlying opportunistic infection. Or, the person is lacking in

something like Vit D that keeps the cytokine storm from happening.

> ------------------------------------

>

..

October 23, 2009

Take the magnesium at night.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:14 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine Flu

Hypes, Myths and Facts

I take a bunch of vitamins already, as well as some minerals and herbals my

cardio told me to get. I'm getting vitamined out, and it's getting harder to

figure out when I can take the magnesium, and how many hours between my doses of

T3. It's really getting to be a hassle.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

October 24, 2009

I don't trust anything on Mercola's website. He has been sued over untrue

and falsified statements before.

-- Re: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

ok, here is the the some stats on influenza death rates from the CDC:

http://www.cdc. <http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5107a1.htm>

gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5107a1.htm

Epidemics of influenza occur nearly every year during the winter months.

Influenza is responsible for an average of approximately 114,000

hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths/year in the United States (1,2). Annual

vaccination is recommended for groups at increased risk for serious

complications from influenza, including adults aged >65 years, persons with

certain underlying chronic health conditions (e.g., cardiovascular disease,

pulmonary disease, and certain metabolic conditions), and women in their

second or third trimester of pregnancy (3). Vaccination of persons in close

contact with those at high risk is also recommended.

then there is these stats':

http://www.cdc. <http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5408.pdf>

gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5408.pdf

http://www.cdc.

<http://www.cdc.gov/washington/fluBrief/flu_newsletter_december.pdf>

gov/washington/fluBrief/flu_newsletter_december.pdf

http://emergency.

<http://emergency.cdc.gov/coca/summaries/pdf/SeasonalInfluenzaFiore052708.pd

f> cdc.gov/coca/summaries/pdf/SeasonalInfluenzaFiore052708.pdf

Here is an excerpt: pages 3 and 4.

Now these annual epidemics though are not to be underestimated. In an

average epidemic year, anywhere from 2.5% to 20% of the population can fall

ill with influenza. The highest rates are typically in children. In some

towns you'll see children attack rates of over 30%.

On average, 36,000 deaths a year are attributed to influenza. But this

ranges widely according to the severity of the season.

Over 90% of the deaths in most seasons are in persons greater than 64 years

old.

if you don't get the vaccine, plz take plenty of lycine whx has anti-viral

properties.

Nancie

What I have seen is that CDC lumps flu and pneumonia together, so you really

don't know which one is actually doing the killing. The flu itself, from

what I understand, rarely is the cause of death. It's usually pneumonia or

some other underlying opportunistic infection. Or, the person is lacking in

something like Vit D that keeps the cytokine storm from happening.

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October 24, 2009

The reason I wrote take it at night, Steve was because she seems to be

overloaded during the day with other meds and supplements and taking it at

night as well as any other supplement solves her problem.

Of course she can take it whenever she wants, that wasn't the point.

-- Re: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine

Flu Hypes, Myths and Facts

>

> I take a bunch of vitamins already, as well as some minerals and herbals

my cardio told me to get. I'm getting vitamined out, and it's getting harder

to figure out when I can take the magnesium, and how many hours between my

doses of T3. It's really getting to be a hassle.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

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October 24, 2009

I don't trust that particular website either. He sells things that he promotes.

He foments a general distrust of everything that he doesn't sell. I see no

difference between him and any carny pitchman. Please don't write and give me

examples of the medical establishment's

duplicity. I am well aware of those too. That's why I check everything anyone

wants to give me or do to me. I think there are good people on both sides of the

fence. We all have to make our own decisions. However, discussion is good as

long as it stays respectful.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: RE: Europeans Reject Swine Flu Vaccine Re: Swine Flu

Hypes, Myths and Facts

hypothyroidism

Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 12:09 AM