Re: Re: back to square one/

March 11, 2009

I take very low dose cytomel only when I feel I need it. When I take it on a

regular basis I look sickly, bloated and pale.

Armour stresses my adrenal system from what I can tell. Everyone says to take

even another hormone called cortef/cortisol to be able to tolerate it. That is

not something I want to do. If my adrenals are in such poor shape at my age I

want to know why... NOT cover it up. I have virtually no stress in my life so I

am baffled.

In the mean time I am looking for reasons for the health issues by testing and

curing nutritional deficiencies. Not as easy as it sounds. It takes months to

cure certain deficiencies. I did also find a parasite in my gut and am working

to rid myself of it. Next week I am going to a doctor who specializes in

epigenetics and we are going to do some DNA testing and try gene silencing to

mute the hashimoto's gene that is causing all of this.

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From: amygreen53 <amygreen53@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:58:10 AM

Subject: Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

How did u find the parasite?

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Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

I told my doctor I wanted a stool analysis to rule anything out and he got a

" comprehensive stool analysis with parasitology " kit from Genova diagnostics.

It checks bacteria also (beneficial and potential pathogens). It showed not

only a couple parasites but lack of certain beneficial bacteria. I was able to

buy the bacteria at vitamin shoppe.... broad range probiotic.

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From: " sunlend@... " <sunlend@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:03:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re: back to square one/

How did u find the parasite?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

Thanks. I'm going to do this.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

-- Where did you find this amazing doctor?? So, you aren't taking any

thyroid meds on a regular basis? Not that labs are the be all and end all, but

do you show hypo numbers on labs? I do, but I feel better (but not great) off

thyroid meds. My adrenals are pretty good and my ferritin is coming up. I'm

now trying synthroid (actually generic synthroid, because I happened to have

some) to see if my body will tolerate that. I'm quite sure I'm mag deficient,

so I'm taking mag citrate and using mag oil. Haven't noticed a difference yet

-- but you're right, it takes forever. My problem is my muscles creeping and

cramping and being weak. The cramping screams magnesium -- the weakness

remained even when my thyroid labs were good. Sigh - I get SO frustrated trying

to sort this all out.

Why do you think cytomel would make you look sickly, bloated and pale? Armour

made me gain 20 lbs in a year -- really bloated and puffy.

My Dr says that thyroid problems (hashi's, which I have too) is enough to crash

adrenals -- which is why he says I can't just not take any thyroid meds. He had

adrenal fatigue in med school, so seems to know what he's talking about. He

doesn't like prescribing hc -- instead uses lots of adrenal supplements --- and

my adrenal labs improved a lot from doing it his way. He just doesn't seem to

have an answer for the Armour intolerance.

How do you test for nutritional defieciencies? My CBC scores show ok on

everything -- but books I read say that those tests aren't accurate --

especially for things like mag. Sorry for all the questions -- but you seem to

have looked into a lot of things and I'm curious. Amy

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From: <kennio@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:48:23 PM

Subject: Re: Re: back to square one/

I take very low dose cytomel only when I feel I need it. When I take it on a

regular basis I look sickly, bloated and pale.

Armour stresses my adrenal system from what I can tell. Everyone says to take

even another hormone called cortef/cortisol to be able to tolerate it. That is

not something I want to do. If my adrenals are in such poor shape at my age I

want to know why... NOT cover it up. I have virtually no stress in my life so I

am baffled.

In the mean time I am looking for reasons for the health issues by testing and

curing nutritional deficiencies. Not as easy as it sounds. It takes months to

cure certain deficiencies. I did also find a parasite in my gut and am working

to rid myself of it. Next week I am going to a doctor who specializes in

epigenetics and we are going to do some DNA testing and try gene silencing to

mute the hashimoto's gene that is causing all of this.

____________ _________ _________ __

March 11, 2009

Well, hopefully you won't run into the blastocyst hominis parasite. I can't get

rid of it! Rounds of anti-parasite drugs, natural remedies like oil of oregano

are not killing it. I did find a company that specializes into rain forest

herbs (raintree nutrition) and they swear by their anti parasite supplement

called " Amazon A-P " . Even offering a money back guarantee if my next stool

analysis doesn't show the Blasto being gone. I'm half way through the 40 day

dosing.

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From: " sunlend@... " <sunlend@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:18:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: back to square one/

Thanks. I'm going to do this.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

Hi Amy and . I am two weeks into Levothyroxine after crashing completely and

ending up at the er with 38 tsh levels high creatine and high iodine. My body

feels almost back to normal - no cramping - no pain. However, mentally I'm still

feeling not myself very weird with racing thoughts etc. Does anyone else get

this?

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Re: Re: back to square one/

I take very low dose cytomel only when I feel I need it. When I take it on a

regular basis I look sickly, bloated and pale.

Armour stresses my adrenal system from what I can tell. Everyone says to take

even another hormone called cortef/cortisol to be able to tolerate it. That is

not something I want to do. If my adrenals are in such poor shape at my age I

want to know why... NOT cover it up. I have virtually no stress in my life so I

am baffled.

In the mean time I am looking for reasons for the health issues by testing and

curing nutritional deficiencies. Not as easy as it sounds. It takes months to

cure certain deficiencies. I did also find a parasite in my gut and am working

to rid myself of it. Next week I am going to a doctor who specializes in

epigenetics and we are going to do some DNA testing and try gene silencing to

mute the hashimoto's gene that is causing all of this.

____________ _________ _________ __

March 11, 2009

I've actually seen the raw stuff in the Amazon they call sangre de dragon.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: back to square one/

>

> I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically Armour

could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however makes me

feel like hell.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

March 11, 2009

Thanks, you too. One suggestion...you might want to get one these home DNA

analysis tests done. It really was one of the best things I've ever done. $299

for either test and it tells you based on a cheek swab of your DNA if you have

certain gene variations that prevent certain vitamins and nutrients from being

absorbed. You receive a report back with recommendations based on your gene

variations.

I have a gene variation of the MTHFR gene which prevents me from absorbing

folate and b-12. A simple shift to the methyl versions of these supplements at

vitamin shoppe and I am now absorbing them, I also get occasional injections of

methylcobalamin now that I am aware of the problem. That piece of information

explains why heart disease runs in my family. It really is invaluable

information.

http://www.sciona.com/

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From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:22:59 AM

Subject: Re: back to square one/

you and I are on the same page. I did the 24 hr saliva test and I was on

HC for about 7 weeks. Felt awful the whole time I was on it. I also do not

feel I am under stress so I would also like to take a different route to find

out what it going on. I am currently seeing a naturopath and I have to say she

has helped me more than the 7 other doctors I have seen in the past. I wish you

continued success on your road to better health.

Venizia

> >

> > I can feel cytomel in minutes. It dissipates in hours. Theoretically

Armour could be felt in under 20 minutes because of the T3. Armour however

makes me feel like hell.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > -- In what way does it make you feel like hell? It does that to me too

-- at any dose -- but I figured it was the T3 that was making me feel bad. I

guess that's not it if you feel ok on cytomel. Amy

>

March 11, 2009

Venezia -- I was taking Dr. 's adrenal rebuilder. Took it for about 8

months and although it made me feel really ramped up (in an unpleasant way) it

apparently helped. I also took a lot of pantothenic acid, Ester C, zinc,

selenium, Bcomplex, and got a LOT of rest. Somehow, it all seemed to work

because my adrenals seem ok now according to the labs. I wish that translated

into me feeling good -- it doesn't -- but at least the adrenals don't seem to be

the problem anymore. Amy

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From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:17:23 PM

Subject: Re: back to square one/

Amy,

I may have asked you this in the past but what supplements are you taking for

your adrenals?

Venizia

March 11, 2009

I take 150mcg of levoxyl with an occasional 5 mcg of cytomel. In my opinion,

the biggest mistake I made when I was diagnosed with hashi is to try to 'cure'

myself naturally before supplementing hormone. Here my body is under great

stress; heart enlarging and my body dumping magnesium and minerals everywhere

and electrolytes dangerously out of balance and I'm thinking I can think

straight while my TSH is soaring.

In retrospect I should have gotten things under control and the TSH below 1 as

soon as possible. My thryoid was under attack and I should have been more

focused on lowering the antibodies and on stopping the damage to possibly

rehabilitate my thyroid later. I hope that is still possible. A TSH under 1

for hashimoto's was the key that an endo from USC clued me in on.

I was losing massive amount of magnesium being hypothyroid. I don't think it's

a coincidence that magnesium deficiency symptoms are almost exactly the same as

hypothyroidism. In my experience they were concurrent...and some studies I've

read show mineral derangement with hypothyroidism... especially magnesium.

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

You're right... serum testing is not accurate for magnesium. You need Red blood

cell analysis or urine loading test. My insurance pays for the RBC analysis.

http://doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=7 (red blood cell elements)

I was so depleted of magnesium by being hypothyroid for so long that I had to

have IV's of it to restore levels... oral supplementing of 1200mg for 3 months

did not raise levels much. Also mag deficency goes hand in had with potassium

deficiency so cramping could be the potassium too. Low sodium V8 for that.

If I were you.... I'd get on the hormone and take loads of magnesium (taken

apart by several hours). Highly absorbable forms like Glycinate and 'Natural

Calm'. Take hot baths in Epsom Salts (magnesium Sulphate) often... and use your

gel. I tell you I had most of my worst hypo symptoms under control with heavy

mag supplementing; panic, anxiety, palps, constipation, etc. I had a pocket

full of half pills and took them throughout the day. Look to the potassium if

palps and cramps start.

I don't know how to explain my body reaction to T3.

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From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:33:20 AM